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Florida-style 'Stand Your Ground' gun laws sub impulse for intelligent thinking
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | April 30, 2012 | Walter Rodgers

Posted on 04/30/2012 3:34:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Even as George Zimmerman stands trial for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin, many Americans argue these laws make us safe. I've had pistols held to my head from Bosnia to Beirut. Your best self-defense is your tongue. Those who put their faith in guns will ultimately be outgunned.

Because this is my last column, I want to challenge a deeply held belief that is, tragically, a core one for millions of Americans. [See editor's note at the end of this column.]

One of the most common ideas emerging after the Trayvon Martin tragedy with Florida’s Stand Your Ground law is that guns make you safe. My experience is exactly the opposite.

Handguns like the one George Zimmerman used to shoot and kill the African-American teenager merely enable those who use them to make fatal mistakes. Mr. Zimmerman is now out of prison on bail, awaiting trial for second-degree murder, when a $20 can of pepper spray could have possibly defused the confrontation without loss of life....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; elites; florida; forida; georgezimmerman; gungrabbers; standyourground; trayvonmartin
The elites truly fear an armed populace.

Walter Rodgers is a former senior international correspondent for CNN.

Three page column.

1 posted on 04/30/2012 3:34:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

uhh...the handgun worked in this case...and may have saved Zimmerman’s life...at least saved him from more serious injury


2 posted on 04/30/2012 3:38:49 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another elitist idiot. The whole point of Stand Your Ground is that in a free society when one is attacked it is the attacker who is at fault and must face the consequences. The idea that one has a “duty to retreat” is abhorrent in a free society. The concept of duty to retreat means that a free people must be under the tyranny of the societal predators.


3 posted on 04/30/2012 3:40:46 PM PDT by JMS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I've had pistols held to my head from Bosnia to Beirut

If that is true, Walter, then you are a class A screw up.

4 posted on 04/30/2012 3:41:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>> I’ve had pistols held to my head from Bosnia to Beirut. Your best self-defense is your tongue. Those who put their faith in guns will ultimately be outgunned.

Because this is my last column, I want to challenge a deeply held belief that is, tragically, a core one for millions of Americans. [See editor’s note at the end of this column.]

One of the most common ideas emerging after the Trayvon Martin tragedy with Florida’s Stand Your Ground law is that guns make you safe.
<<

And police carry guns because...??

While inside the ever-plastic reality of the liberal mind no evil ever takes place, in the real world that is not always so. Every human has an unalienable right of self defense, and by implication, a right to the effective defensive tools to exercise that right. You, Mr. Liberal, would deny that right to me. You must hate me and my family.

In a developing situation, every tool should be used, starting with the most peaceful. The firearm is the last, not the first of those tools. Fleet feet are also a tool, but many young men can outrun my Medicare-eligible wife. No good wishes or myth slaying on your part will change that.

Your piece was just pitiful.


5 posted on 04/30/2012 3:47:12 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

defused the confrontation

No...deferred the confrontation. The self styled “niggah” would have gotten his from someone else...

Act like a dirt bag
Die like a dirt bag.

I’m sorry this writer thinks we should all be unarmed and at the mercy of animals. I won’t be.


6 posted on 04/30/2012 3:50:09 PM PDT by Adder (Da bro has GOT to go!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Walter. You’re a moron.


7 posted on 04/30/2012 3:52:14 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Being unarmed is so much safer. Yeah.


8 posted on 04/30/2012 3:53:37 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BenLurkin

either that, or he’s John F’n Kerry.


9 posted on 04/30/2012 3:54:31 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was gratified to see that the comments were generally not supportive of his viewpoint, even in the liberal-leaning CSM.


10 posted on 04/30/2012 4:00:27 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: JMS
The idea that one has a "duty to retreat" is abhorrent in a free society. The concept of duty to retreat means that a free people must be under the tyranny of the societal predators.

That bears repeating!
11 posted on 04/30/2012 4:03:52 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

First, I see nothing impulsive about shooting a guy who is bashing your head on the concrete.

Second, Rogers cherry picks events that ended without deadly violence, while ignoring the daily murders & numerous instances where people with legal guns saved themselves or others from vicious killers.

In his own instance of assault, submission is his preference. He takes the hostage attitude of saying what his captors want to hear. Apparently, submissive hostages are what we all should be in public & in our homes. If the mugger wants our money, give it to him. But what happens when the mugger wants his accompanying daughter or son, or just wants to kill?

Now, I understand the need to try to talk thing out. But when my head hits the concrete, the talking is over.

Oh! Never bring pepper spray to a gunfight!


12 posted on 04/30/2012 4:05:35 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

13 posted on 04/30/2012 4:09:51 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: theBuckwheat
This guy compares an assassination and hanging with the Taliban to the plight of ordinary Americans against the feral portions of our society. Everyday citizens don't place themselves in danger and aren't targeted due to strange Jody Foster fantasies. They are targeted by predators who think they are weak. The equalizer doesn't have to be a gun, either. Almost all of these people have gone to great lengths to increase their protection against the feral class. Mr. Zimmerman was in his neighborhood watch and according to those neighbors was distributing new locks to the victims of break ins. The gun remains the last resort for these people in a desperate effort to survive.

A thrill seeking journalist who puts himself in the line of fire for a more impressive byline wouldn't understand that concept.

14 posted on 04/30/2012 4:13:04 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Your best self-defense is your tongue. Those who put their faith in guns will ultimately be outgunned.”

Personally, I would guess the brain is more useful than either, but why not use all 3?


15 posted on 04/30/2012 4:19:06 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: USNBandit
Plus, the neighborhood residents asked Mr. Zimmerman to form the neighborhood watch and to be its leader. Yet they still keep mouthing that "self-appointed" crap even though Reuters set them straight about a week ago. And where's the discussion of Mr. Zimmerman's African ancestry?
16 posted on 04/30/2012 4:20:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The French in 1938 believed themselves to be much more clever than the Hun.


17 posted on 04/30/2012 4:27:26 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What does this yahoo have to say about the hundreds of lives that are saved daily here in the USA by handgun owners?

8:}

18 posted on 04/30/2012 4:31:39 PM PDT by AwesomePossum (I have never looked this forward to a November II........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why does the fact that Mr. Rodgers works for the Christian Science Monitor make me have a complete lack of faith in the credibility of his story?


19 posted on 04/30/2012 4:43:17 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because this is my last column

Really?...Promise?...Thankyou...Very Much!!!

20 posted on 04/30/2012 4:50:06 PM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because this is my last column ...

Truly the only words worth reading.

21 posted on 04/30/2012 4:54:14 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
when a $20 can of pepper spray could have possibly defused the confrontation without loss of life.

yep. that's gonna protect you and your family against people who don't give a rip about any laws, especially gun laws.

22 posted on 04/30/2012 4:56:42 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the best self defense is truly the tkngue then obama should get rid of all armed security.


23 posted on 04/30/2012 5:20:23 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bilge water!


24 posted on 04/30/2012 6:28:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stand Your Ground is not even implicated in this case. The victim WAS on his back being beaten by a younger stronger much taller man. Zim was supposed to “retreat?” How?


25 posted on 04/30/2012 7:01:32 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Your best self-defense is your tongue.

That's your first defense but it often fails. Bullets don't fail when you're out of options.

26 posted on 05/01/2012 7:55:51 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

another effete elite who is worshiping at the altar of government nanny statism


27 posted on 05/01/2012 8:25:55 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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