Probably not ....
If Perry indeed runs in 2016, I have my candidate.
Do you want corny, short-term solutions that won’t mean diddly squat decades from now or do you want meaningful, well thought out, long-term solutions?
Here’s a hint:
Why do you think the NRA has been so successful with their campaign to liberalize the firearms laws here in the USA over the past 30 years?
It’s very simple.
I’m going to vote for the northeastern liberal Romney because his opponent is a red communist muslim, and that is all there is to it.
One more term for Obama will destroy the US. Nothing else matters for now.
The MittBots are having too much fun acting like TSA agents...
Every little old white American Grannie who wont vote for Willie Mitty is suspected of carrying a contrabad vote for Obama...
My good conservative name has been well groped...
Here’s where conservatives have failed:
The Tea Party movement never organized into something cohesive with clear leadership. Instead, we have different factions - all claiming to be THE Tea Party - with different leaders spread out across the 50 states. There is no clear hierarchy.
While that may sound good at first, it dilutes the movement. Instead of the grassroots effort turning into something bigger, I’ve started to ignore the countless emails I get from all these branches. Why? Because I have NO IDEA who is really requesting money. Oh yeah - that’s pretty much all I see these days, too: requests for money... to a nebulous organization with no clear leadership.
All these Tea Party leaders need to rally around someone like Allen West (for example). They need to create a national organization with clearly defined leadership and goals. We’ll never break the back of the GOP establishment and create a TRUE conservative movement unless we join forces.
Now, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe something is being done to organize this. But I follow FR pretty religiously and consider myself pretty well-informed. If I’ve missed it, a lot of others have as well.
—Perhaps we need to stop arguing about whether or not we rally behind Romney and begin to think long-term. —
That is exactly why I bought my small farm in central Rural KY two weeks before the 2008 election, and moved there last August, leaving my home of 45 years, Seattle.
Looking for politicians to solve this or help is like looking to the Crew of the titanic to help when the icy Atlantic is starting to lap at the door to the Bridge.
You are on your own. Make the most of it.
In our case, we just started planting the 1/4 acre garden and finished the chicken coop for our 14 layers. Next is Beef.
>> Are we ready to look for solutions rather than calling each other names? What do you all think?
Who are you accusing of name calling, “weasel breath”? :-)
My personal fave solution to the nation’s problems is right wing death squads, but I imagine that’s a non-starter with you namby-pamby civilized work-within-the-system types.
We cannot win if we are fighting both the Republicans and the Democrats at the same time (as we are doing now).
First we have to beat the Republicans, then we can run real conservative candidates.
Nice thought, but how do you play chess with an opponent who only knows checkers? Clearly, rules have to be taught. And dey no likey rules. I don’t know of a way around this. Other than severe pain for the “aspiring” student. They have to want to learn the rules, which are a bit convoluted in chess for a brand new newbie who has never played. I think this is kind of a fundamental issue. Learning rules of a new game gets you no benefit for the effort, and you know you are going to get slaughtered the first 300 games you play after you learn the rules. So how do you get people who expect their stuff for free to subject themselves to that learning curve/loss curve? Except, as I said, by having it demonstrated to them that their current course is a near death experience.
I’ve been involved with FR since Monicagate. Inevitably, all that time, the “conservative” vote has been divided between libertarians, who want freedom, smaller government, and less taxes, and social conservatives, who are concerned about things like abortion, marriage, and family.
There is no reason on earth why these two groups cannot work together, as they must if they want to win. History has demonstrated that you cannot have freedom without morality and self-discipline, and it has also shown that big government increases corruption.
But every time I have urged Freepers to work together, they have refused. The libertarians in particular.
“OK,” they’ll say, “we’ll agree to support the right to life (more or less) if you give us free drugs and legal prostitution.” Or, “Smaller government means never telling anyone what to do.” Or, . . . whatever.
They play right into the hands of the RINO establishment, who say, “Well, we really support the right to life, but let’s not talk about it, for fear of offending somebody.” Never mind that people might not vote for Obama if anyone bothered to tell them that he has a long record of supporting the practice of throwing babies born alive into the trash, or onto the roof to die of thirst. They did that at the hospital owned by Rev. Wright’s black power church, and Obama voted three times to support the practice. Do they really think that criticizing him for that would offend people? Apparently so. Or, they just don’t really give a damn about the right to life, but only pretend to.
That’s the sticking point. How do you get all these various kinds of self-defined “conservatives” to work together? It will certainly take strong and persuasive leadership.
Never gonna happen, all the conservatives left the party and went independent. That means they can’t vote in the primaries and that is why we get LIBERALS.
Re-register the independents as republicans and you will see a change.
Simple solution: Vote Tea Party candidates into the Congress and Senate but do everything to weaken the hold of the establishment on the GOP. With the right candidate in the Congress, we can manage that situation. Strengthening the establishment RINOs leaves us out in the cold. Enough of holding our noses and strengthening the RINOs. Voting for Romney is to keep the status quo.
Really nice to see someone take the time to look at this and raise the kinds of questions that you have. It is a good start. It is only a start but unless I am mistaken that is exactly what you intend. To get the ball rolling. Good job.
I spent many years in the Republican trenches watching a party elite knock down, kick around the Republican candidate that I liked. I got tired of it and left the GOP. I will never go back.
If I can add my suggestion it would be that any effort to get a conservative into the White House can’t include the GOP Party. It should be glaringly apparent that GOP and conservative is an oxymoron.
The solution is a third party. The GOP are enablers of the ‘Rats not opponents. A coordinated war on the Constitution, freedom, and God is no game. The so called game is RIGGED.
I agree that something must be done. I have thoughts, but little energy. I believe we need to concentrate on the House and Senate, and especially on our state houses, even governorships, if in play.
As far as planning for 2016, I’d do what I could to help get organized. The one thing I do now, every day, is pray for the country.
In late 2015, we need to have a caucus, convention, whatever we want to call it, to rally behind one candidate to be the conservative candidate for the presidential nomination.
Clarification please.
Is that a candidate to run in a yet to be determined party or is that a candidate to run in the existing GOP?
If Hussein is allowed to win, there won’t be elections in 2016. At least not as we currently think of them. We’ll be under the boot of the new Stalin.