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Conservatives Must Become a Third Force Independent of GOP
http://www.conservativehq.com ^ | 4/27/12 | Richard A. Viguerie

Posted on 05/01/2012 6:37:33 PM PDT by Mozilla

Let’s be quite clear – there is a difference between Republicans and conservatives.

Republican Party politicians still can’t come to grips with the reality that the rebellion of the small government constitutional conservatives of the Tea Party is as much a rejection of their stewardship of the government – the earmarks and massive spending and debt of the Bush years – as it is a rejection of Obamacare and Obamanomics.

If 2012 is another big wave election, like 2010, but it sweeps into office the usual big-government, establishment Republicans, then we will have missed the opportunity of a lifetime, and lose the majority sooner rather than later.

Conservatives and Tea Partiers have no interest in exchanging business-as-usual government by Republican insiders for business-as-usual government by Democratic insiders – we want to see fundamental change in Washington and real action on the issues we care about.

Conservatives must go back to our conservative movement roots and focus on being a Third Force relentlessly advocating conservative, not necessarily Republican, governance.

The Left has thousands of Third Force groups: unions at the local, state and national level, race-based organizations, sex-based preference and advocacy groups, environmentalists, etc., etc. – each with their own members, their own sources of funds and leadership pushing a left-oriented agenda independent of the Democratic Party.

A Third Force doesn’t mean a Third Party...

However, conservatives can take a page from the Left’s playbook and do the same thing on small government constitutional conservative issues: fighting local tax referenda, opposing intrusive local land use regulations, and working to hold failing government schools accountable are just a few issues ripe for Third Force action.

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Becoming a Third Force means conservatives can finally rid themselves of the notion that a Republican victory in a given election will result in conservative government.

(Excerpt) Read more at conservativehq.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; conservative

1 posted on 05/01/2012 6:37:37 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

So, what’s the definitive answer to how conservatives should vote in the race for ‘12 POTUS, during the November general election?


2 posted on 05/01/2012 6:42:28 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

Vote Constitutional Party, of course, and re-elect Obama!


3 posted on 05/01/2012 6:45:17 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Mozilla
If 2012 is another big wave election, like 2010, but it sweeps into office the usual big-government, establishment Republicans, then we will have missed the opportunity of a lifetime, and lose the majority sooner rather than later.

If Romney wins conservatives live to fight another day. If 0bama wins....forget it. There will not be another day.
4 posted on 05/01/2012 6:46:00 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: Mozilla

Great idea! Then they can do what happened in MA in 2010 — reelect the rabidly Marxist governor even though Deval Patrick had only 37% approval before a third candidate ran that year.


5 posted on 05/01/2012 6:46:27 PM PDT by pabianice (ame with)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
The Left has thousands of Third Force groups: unions at the local, state and national level, race-based organizations, sex-based preference and advocacy groups, environmentalists, etc., etc. – each with their own members, their own sources of funds and leadership pushing a left-oriented agenda independent of the Democratic Party.

All these disparate groups, however, vote in lockstep with the dims.

6 posted on 05/01/2012 6:46:53 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: DLfromthedesert

8 years of rats or 16 of crats, freedom is still just as dead.


7 posted on 05/01/2012 6:47:35 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Mozilla

I’m a Conservative, and a registered Republican. However, the GOP has pretty much left me. I do not at all like Mitt Romney, I utterly despise John Boehner, and Mitch McConnell is pretty worthless. I know I am not alone.


8 posted on 05/01/2012 6:47:43 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Mozilla
Viguerie started massmarketing/fundraising, and has never done much else ever since. He was a ronpaulbot in 2008. An abortive third party run in 1976. Some serious money skimming from his fundraising operations.

Overall a guy who has no concrete solutions but who knows how to enrich himself at conservatives' expense. Don't hold you breath waiting for this guy to offer useful concrete advice.

9 posted on 05/01/2012 6:47:49 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

The answer is to elect Romney and elect a “Romney proof” house and senate.

Elect the most small government people as possible, regardless of party, to the house and senate.

The house is especially important due to its spending role.
This is a fitting challenge for the tea party.


10 posted on 05/01/2012 7:01:49 PM PDT by Tripoli
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To: hinckley buzzard

The answer is to elect Romney and elect a “Romney proof” house and senate.

Elect the most small government people as possible, regardless of party, to the house and senate.

The house is especially important due to its spending role.
This is a fitting challenge for the tea party.


11 posted on 05/01/2012 7:02:04 PM PDT by Tripoli
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To: GreyMountainReagan

“If Romney wins conservatives live to fight another day. If 0bama wins....forget it. There will not be another day.”

I would argue that Romney will do more damage to conservatism if he wins in following ways:

1) He will stack the RNC leadership positions with his people. That means his supporters who defend govt mandates, socialized healthcare, restrictive gun control, gay marriage, global warming, diversity etc. Take a look at his judicial and other political appointments.

2) Every liberal position he takes....more socialized healthcare, intrusive govt, gun control will be labeled by the MSM as “ conservative” positions. This will ultimately push the debate even further to the left.

In my opinion, there has been no greater force for the resurgence of conservative ideals and principles than the last four years of Obama. He inadvertently created the Tea Party and stoked the fires of conservatism to new levels. (He’s also been pretty good for gun sales.) I’m not so sure that four more years won’t further strengthen the resolve of conservatives. (One thing the Romney nomination has taught me is that the GOP hasn’t learned their lesson yet.)

As powerful as the Presidency is, I’m 100% certain that there nothing Obama can do to kill the conservative movement. I can’t say the same thing about Romney.


12 posted on 05/01/2012 7:04:47 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: GreyMountainReagan

When the house is burning, it’s time to leave. Trying to save a frame that is already burning is too late. Time to build a new house.


13 posted on 05/01/2012 7:22:16 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

“So, what’s the definitive answer to how conservatives should vote in the race for ‘12 POTUS, during the November general election?”

For me it is voting third party against the republicans and democrats. BUT that is my decision. I am against Obama and Romney equally.n I get why some people will commit to voting for romney to get Obama out. But I feel more like protesting both parties.


14 posted on 05/01/2012 7:51:00 PM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

2006 : (NICARAGUA : NON-SANDINISTA VOTERS, DIVIDING THE VOTES BETWEEN THE CHOICE OF JOSE RIZO OR EDUARDO MONTEALEGRE, ALLOW SANDINISTA COMMUNIST DANIEL ORTEGA TO GRAB THE PRESIDENCY IN THREE-PARTY RACE WITH JUST 38% OF THE POPULAR VOTE) -——— Losing Nicaragua-The Sandinistas are slowly crushing democracy., Weekly Standard, 11/24/2009 BY Jaime Daremblum


15 posted on 05/01/2012 8:05:58 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: VRWC For Truth
Time to build a new house.

You really think there will be any 'building' after 4 years of 0bama AND the dem senate and house...then maybe, maybe a conservative in '16???

Conservatives need to live to fight another day. Washington retreated and retreated when required. With the country at risk with 0bama we CAN NOT risk another 4 years with him.

If I had my way, Romney would be on the democrat ticket and a true conservative on the Republican ticket but it is what it is.
16 posted on 05/01/2012 8:06:09 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: Mozilla

If you don’t have enough votes to take over the GOP you don’t have enough to win.


17 posted on 05/01/2012 8:10:30 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: DLfromthedesert

Romney has no shot, even if every Freeper voted for him.


18 posted on 05/01/2012 8:11:43 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Mozilla

I think our plan for the future is to destroy the gop-e and make them go third party or retire.

The conservatives should be serving notice to the elites with this election that they are gonna get kicked out one way or another!


19 posted on 05/01/2012 8:17:15 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worst Rinos ever!)
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To: piasa
Here's how that three party fumble in that country is playing out so far...

MAY 2009 : (NICARAGUA : ONE LIBERAL-APPOINTED JUDGE DIES, GIVING COMMUNIST SANDINISTAS AN 8-7 MAJORITY IN NICARAGUA'S SUPREME COURT )

OCTOBER 19, 2009 : (NICARAGUA : [A SANDINISTA-STACKED] SUPREME COURT OVERTURNS CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION LIMITING PRESIDENTS TO TWO TERMS, THUS ALLOWING DANIEL ORTEGA TO RUN FOR YET ANOTHER TERM IN 2011)

20 posted on 05/01/2012 8:20:14 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Mozilla
Good article.


21 posted on 05/01/2012 8:23:10 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: DLfromthedesert
a Romney win will give Rinos 4 years of power followed by democratic landslides for 8 yrs...

An Obama win will give Conservatives 32 yrs of future presidents after 4 yrs...Who said Rome was built in a day???

22 posted on 05/01/2012 8:24:26 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: vmivol00
As powerful as the Presidency is, I’m 100% certain that there nothing Obama can do to kill the conservative movement. 0bama is NOT interested in killing the conservative movement. He is interested in killing the idea of America itself. Romney will NOT advance the conservative movement but he will not kill it. That is silly. A Romney victory will allow us to fight another day.
23 posted on 05/01/2012 8:27:17 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: GreyMountainReagan
If Romney wins conservatives live to fight another day. If 0bama wins....forget it. There will not be another day.

Why? Is the world going to end?

I'm sick of this chicken-little BS. We are faced with no positive outcomes in this election, but here are the facts:

Worst outcome: Obama wins, Democrats Take Control of the Congress.
If that happens, conservatives have lost everything for the next generation at least. Nothing short of divine intervention could save us from socialism at that point.

Second worst outcome: Romney wins
If Romney wins, it doesn't matter who controls the Congress. Socialism will progress, and fast. Romney will have no opposition from Republicans and Democrats will only oppose to push him even further to the left. And he will acquiesce. That's his MO. Worse, Republicans will get the blame for every piece of socialist legislation that Romney signs, resulting in catastrophic defeats in 2014 and a probably loss of the presidency in 2016 to an even more radical Democrat controlling even more insuperable majorities in Congress.

Least bad outcome: Obama wins with less than 50% of the vote, Republicans control Congress with solid majorities in each house.
This could happen with the emergence of a strong conservative third party candidate that bleeds votes from Romney, giving Obama a Clinton-style non-mandate victory. A strong conservative third party would also have the effect of energizing otherwise apathetic conservatives to come out and vote for conservative Republicans down-ticket, even while voting against Liberal Mitt on the top line. The resulting government produces only gridlock which keeps us in the fight with momentum leading into 2014 and 2016.

Given this, I have decided to vote for a Third Party candidate in November. If no one with more national name recognition emerges, Virgil Goode will be getting my vote. I encourage others to think about it and do likewise.
24 posted on 05/01/2012 8:36:05 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Antoninus

The chances of 0bama winning AND Republicans keeping House and taking Senate are very, very slim. That is the worst.

Since that is the worst I will vote to combine Romney AND Republican House and Senate.

It is absolutely naive to think that 0bama will win but the Republicans will keep either of the two chambers.

I will not condemn my children and grandchildren to that if I can help it.


25 posted on 05/01/2012 8:40:40 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: Mozilla
Does it really matter whather you drive over the cliff fast, or drive over the cliff slow?

Either way we get a liberal in the White House.

Does anyone really believe that Romney will govern under a conservative banner?
Under a GOP banner? Yes.
But under a conservative banner? No.

GOP does not equal conservative anymore.

26 posted on 05/01/2012 8:55:36 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Mozilla

It’s my impression that you vote republican this time around, but immediately begin the 3rd party option to be viable for 2016. It is now or never. Just like the republicans booted out the whigs in about a 6 year run up fo ever-increasing wins, the tea party should organize in each state and we should encourage candidates to run for president. Every cycle, we hear it cannot be done, but if we pick up even more wins this time around, we need to go for it. As for the Constitution party, we need a viable candidate. I’m not sure you could call Virgil Goode that. I’ve read some things that seem downright weird. By viable, I mean electable, not somebody who spouts a barrage of stuff but sounds incoherent at times.


27 posted on 05/01/2012 9:03:23 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Mozilla

It’s my impression that you vote republican this time around, but immediately begin the 3rd party option to be viable for 2016. It is now or never. Just like the republicans booted out the whigs in about a 6 year run up of ever-increasing wins, the tea party should organize in each state and we should encourage candidates to run for president. Every cycle, we hear it cannot be done, but if we pick up even more wins this time around, we need to go for it. As for the Constitution party, we need a viable candidate. I’m not sure you could call Virgil Goode that. I’ve read some things that seem downright weird. By viable, I mean electable, not somebody who spouts a barrage of stuff but sounds incoherent at times.


28 posted on 05/01/2012 9:03:43 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Mozilla

At some point, I think the establishment Democrats and Republicans will merge into one middle-of-the-road party that appeals to the mushy middle, the Democrat extremists will go Green, and the rest of us will end up in some Constitutionalist party.

However, this is not going to happen in one election cycle. Conservative candidates who hold no fealty to the Republican Party need to be elected starting at the local level. Once established there, then at the state level. Finally, start making inroads into the federal level. Only after several successful election cycles with increasing gains at the federal level would we have a hope of fielding a successful presidential candidate.

But that’s a long time away. Who are we supporting locally to start this process?


29 posted on 05/01/2012 10:12:29 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: Tripoli

Nice to see some people can still see the forest for the trees.


30 posted on 05/01/2012 10:31:11 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: GreyMountainReagan

I disagree about Romney. He will set the conservative movement back significantly.

If you thought the GOP-E was bad now, wait until it is stacked with Romneybots.

Of course if you are a fan of Romney’s liberal agenda or the leadership style of McCain, Boehner, and McConnell....maybe a Romney dominated RNC is what you want.


31 posted on 05/02/2012 5:37:38 AM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Antoninus

If Romney wins, it doesn’t matter who controls the Congress. Socialism will progress, and fast. Romney will have no opposition from Republicans and Democrats will only oppose to push him even further to the left. And he will acquiesce
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No he wont acquiesce...

He’ll race them to the finish line...

dragging them with him..

Noone would have to twist his liberal arm...


32 posted on 05/02/2012 5:40:39 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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