Skip to comments.Serious questions I have been thinking about lately re: Obama, 2012 Election
Posted on 05/05/2012 9:52:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
Concerns for the rest of 2012.
1. Will we actually have an election? In your opinion, given the EOs being pushed through, the DHS bulletproof toll booths, the 450 million JHP rounds snatched up by DHS, Obama delaying action against Iran hoping they prove they've developed a nuke, given the race war Obama and Holder are fomenting, what is your level of concern we actually will not have the election come November?
Not at all, slightly concerned, significant concern, very concerned, extremely concerned
2. If the election does occur as planned, does Obama win it by voter fraud in the states they are contesting the photo voter ID laws?
3. If the election doesn't occur as planned, do you think it will be because Obama performs some action (EO, state of emergency, etc) that he says will suspend/postpone the elections?
4. If Obama loses the election, what do you think the chances are that he won't leave the White House and contest the vote? Even if the vote is too far apart ot be legally contested or ask for a recount?
5. If Obama loses the election do you think he will perform some action that suspends the transfer of power to the president-elect "until whatever crisis/crises is over"?
6. If Obama tries any of this to remain in office longer than he can, when will CWII be declared, who all will declare it, and will we have more police, military and feds with us than against us?
7. If CWII begins, what will be the tangible goals, plans to carry out the goals, how will we organize properly to carry them out, and how do we know when all objectives are truly carried out and finished?
I don't put anything past this guy. I've just been thinking this narcissistic, marxist little bitch isn't leaving even if he loses.
The rest just sounds like the same thing the left was saying about Bush, and is fanciful for the same reasons. Whatever syncophants and worshipppers he may have, the vast majority of the country would never tolerate a refusal to hold an election, or the failure to abid by one. The military alone wouldn't stand for it, and that is one situation where they'd get involved.
Bottom line is that he just has to lose the election. And the real fraud problem isn't as much voter I.D., as absentee balloting. I mean, what good does it do to require I.D. if people can submit requests for absentee ballots and new addresses without providing any I.D. at all?
You really need to get off the internet and get out in the real world. Also, avoid anyone with the name Alex Jones.
“If the election does occur as planned, does Obama win it by voter fraud?”
Since the vote tabulations will be counted outside of the United States, I’d give the POS Overlord approval....
The left said the same thing in 2004 and 2008. It wont happen.
If he loses there will be an orderly change of power. And we get The White Horse.
Obama will lose and he will move to Salt lake City and become a Mormon.
If you’re at all serious, I think you need a vacation.
If youre at all serious, I think you need a vacation.
With an evil, avowed enemy of the United States in our White House, anything is possible and a lot of nasty things are probable.
I don’t read Alex Jones. You don’t need to reply to any of my posts, ever. In fact I’d both prefer and request it.
With an evil, avowed enemy of the United States in our White House, anything is possible and a lot of nasty things are probable.
You are right to bring these things up.
This is what some of the assclowns who posted back to me don’t get.
These are just questions that have crossed my mind lately, and it is me simply asking others if they have been thinking about them too and to what degree are they concerned about such things. I am not saying I know these things WILL happen, I am asking for actual non smartass replies with some reasoning behind them.
He’s not THAT popular.
Barry may steal the election using voter fraud.
But I don’t feel there will be a CWII. It is far easier to allow the population to cook slowly and unaware than to turn things up to a full boil where people might actually pay attention.
I have thought of many of the same questions. Those who say they said that before forget that Barry has created some new EOs that give him much more power in the event of marital law or otherwise, like the doing away with Habeus corpus.
I wouldn’t put anything past him, including declaring Martial law to keep power.
Did you hear his speech today in Ohio where he said he wants to “defund the military and use that money to fix our roads, bridges and have more wifi.”
Come again? More wifi? So in other words, we should let the Islamo-Nazis build up their forces and run amok on a mass murdering spree, but hey it will all be worth it because we will have shiny roads and bridges and lots and lots of wifi!! Yippeee!!!
I’ve often thought about all the scenarios you pose. With his EOs, declaring national emergency and martial law (due to class/race war) is likely, and if we DO have an election, massive voter fraud (even worse than in ‘08) is a given.
The election will certainly take place. And if Obama steals it conservatives will pretend it was legit in hopes that their precious little lives won’t be disrupted too badly.
I work with a lot of veterans most of whom are extremely conservative (as am I).
We talk about the points you raise frequently.
Those who do not think about these things while believing themselves to be conservative, patriotic Americans and/or who mock you for expressing your concerns worry me.
Yes have given some thought to all you have mentioned, and a few of my own. I do spend time in Prayer about the whole mess. Only He Knows the Answers, and I rest assured He has Everything under Control. Yes it could get Nasty even with Him in control.
All your scenarios are very real possibilities and I assure you, countless others are thinking about them as well. What astounds me is the number of people here who should know better but greatly ignore (or don’t see) the depth of evil in BHO. They do so at their own peril (and, unfortunately, ours as well).
BHO is not stupid - he’s calculating and purposeful.
What you are taling about will not happen this year. It may be attempted in another 8 years depending on “things”...but not this year.
Well, you forgot to mention the SCOTUS. Probably they will buckle. But what if they don’t? This is a scenario practically guaranteed to go haywire.
Good point. I think he’s pissed most of them off, though. I think it’s 5-4 against.
I could see that happening. No Balls Boner would go along with it.
I agree. That said, if lines are drawn, libs and democrats will side with the Marxist. Romney ain’t that popular with us and most people here when the lines are drawn will side with him.
IMO, Obama has no boundaries except for staying under the radar for as long as possible. When he oversteps, he quickly retreats and waits for a more opportune time. He will continue to use dependence, division, stealth and trickery as primary tactics. And it's not so much Obama, but likely his cronies that are formulating the strategies.
Find a hidden corner of the world and become independent from the government, and to some extent the economy; when, not if, the SHTF...
Our central bankers are intellectually bankrupt
by Ron Paul
The financial crisis has fully exposed the intellectual bankruptcy of the worlds central bankers.
Why? Central bankers neglect the fact that interest rates are prices. Manipulating those prices through credit expansion or contraction has real and deleterious effects on the economy. Yet while socialism and centralised economic planning have largely been rejected by free-market economists, the myth persists that central banks are a necessary component of market economies.
These economists understand that having wages or commodity prices established by government fiat would cause shortages, misallocations of capital and hardship. Yet they accept at face value the notion that central banks must determine not only the supply of one particular commodity money but also the cost of that commodity via the setting of interest rates.
Printing unlimited amounts of money does not lead to unlimited prosperity. This is readily apparent from observing the Feds monetary policy over the past two decades. It has pumped trillions of dollars into the economy, providing money to banks with the hope that this new money will spur lending and, in turn, consumption. These interventions are intended to raise stock prices, lower borrowing costs for companies and individuals, and maintain high housing prices.
But like their predecessors in the 1930s, todays Fed governors behave as if the height of the credit bubble is the status quo to which we need to return. This confuses money with wealth, and reflects the idea that prosperity stems from high asset prices and large amounts of money and credit.
The push for easy money is not new. Central banking was supposed to have ended the types of periodic financial crises the US experienced throughout the 19th century. Yet US financial panics have only got worse since the centralisation of monetary policy via the creation of the Fed in 1913. The Depression in the 1930s; the haemorrhaging of gold reserves during the 1960s; the stagflation of the 1970s; the dotcom bubble of the early 2000s; and the current recession all have their root in the Feds loose monetary policy.
Each of these crises began with an inflationary monetary policy that led to bubbles, and the solution to the busts that inevitably followed has always been to reflate the bubble.
This only sows the seeds for the next crisis. Lowering interest rates in an attempt to forestall a recession in the aftermath of the dotcom bubble required massive credit creation that led to the housing bubble, the collapse of which we still have not recovered from today. Failing to learn the lesson of the bursting of both the dotcom bubble and the housing bubble, the Fed has pumped trillions of dollars into the economy and has promised to leave interest rates at zero through to at least 2014. This will only ensure that the next crisis will be even more destructive than the current one.
Not content with its failed attempts to prop up the US economy, the Fed has set its sights on bailing out Europe, too. Through currency swaps, it has committed to offering potentially hundreds of billions of US dollars to the European Central Bank and we cannot rule out the possibility of direct intervention.
The Feds response to the crisis suggests that it believes the current crisis is a problem of liquidity. In fact it is a problem of poorly allocated investments caused by improper pricing of money and credit, pricing which is distorted by the Feds inflationary actions.
The Fed has made banks and corporations dependent on cheap money. Instead of looking for opportunities to invest in real products that will serve the needs of consumers, Wall Street awaits the minutes of each Federal Open Market Committee meeting with bated breath, hoping that QE3 and QE4 are just around the corner. It is no wonder that long-term investment and business planning are stagnant.
We live in a world that seems to have abandoned the concept of savings and investment as the source of real wealth and economic growth. Financial markets clamour for more cheap money creation on the part of central banks. Hopes of further quantitative easing from the Fed, the Bank of England, or the Bank of Japan or further longer-term refinancing operations from the ECB buoy markets, while decisions not to intervene can cause stocks to plummet. Policy makers focus on spurring consumption, while ignoring production. The so-called capitalists have forgotten that capital cannot be created by government fiat.
Control of the worlds economy has been placed in the hands of a banking cartel, which holds great danger for all of us. True prosperity requires sound money, increased productivity, and increased savings and investment. The world is awash in US dollars, and a currency crisis involving the worlds reserve currency would be an unprecedented catastrophe. No amount of monetary expansion can solve our current financial problems, but it can make those problems much worse.
Yep.... votes are going to be counted in Spain by SCYTL.
There will be no paper ballot audit trail.
George Soros owns SCYTL...
Possible yes, probable no...imo
Has nothing to do with my post. Hijack another thread or start your own post.
I remember the same questions about Clinton.
I expect Obama to win “by hook or by crook”.
Republicans won’t investigate voter fraud or any other illegal activity by Obama.
CWII? I heard that about Clinton too.
We are on a long, heavy freight train with no brakes. Soros and the other elites are just guiding us into a ditch.
If a “crash” happens it will be by a “black swan” which is unpredictable.
Unfortunately any wet dreams about a Civil War breaking out to “re-claim liberty” are just that. Think of this; the 2nd amendment is there so that we could be armed to remove tyranny. What the people have access to is only 100 year old technology. What the military has is light years ahead. Your 30-06 is no match for even what some police departments have.
enough happy thoughts for this morning.....
FWIW, DHS didn’t get the ammo they requested. Congress wouldn’t give them the money, they said that the expenditure was unjustified and unnecessary.
A few EMPs and it is game over (imho). It would take years to bring all the lights back. Six months in and the times of no lights (imho) would be lights out for civilization probably worldwide. Would achieve zer0's goals and others' claiming to represent 'We, the People' goals. Realize this does not address your writing, though believe it to be an actual possibility based upon the last two lines of your writing (copied above).
There will be elections, and if he loses he will leave Jan 20.
The Obama may be all kinds of bad, but he does not have what it takes to take over as tyrant.
Fun to imagine he’ll try though.
According to a large number of vanitites posted on this board Obama is to be preferred over the likely GOP nominee. To this end they are tirelessly giving Obama and his supporters issues to exploit against the GOP nominee. There comes a time when those whose candidate has lost to acknowledge the democratice choice. Acceptance does not equate to enthusiastic support.
No telecommunications means no way to give orders or exert power.
Look at the burning wells in Kuwait and how long they said it would take to bring them online again.
Now think, the areas to get the lights back first won't be the coasts so much as the areas where power is generated.
Ditto other fuels, food, etc.
I have a few intelligent friends that listen to him and their thought processes are obviously colored with Jones' doomsday mindset.
Tin foil hat time
...”I am not saying I know these things WILL happen, I am asking for actual non smartass replies with some reasoning behind them”...
In a world where more and more FR responses look like teen-aged texts than thoughtful contemplation of the subject matter, what can you expect? The torch has passed to the new generation. Of course some of the scenarios you mention could happen. Anyone who has closely watched the past three years has to be concerned about attempted dictatorship. For those who know history, giving more and more ground to a would-be despot without proper concern, is what people do. Personally, I think the military would move in if an overt attempt was made. That is my comfort. A more immediate problem is the racial lawlessness which is going on without any response from the AG. Did you read the story posted earlier about the rape and murder of the elderly couple and what about the two reporters in VA who were beaten up and the story was covered up by the newspaper and other powers-that-be?..The people who do not want us to know the truth are our enemies. Do not be intimidated when you post your thoughts about the “potentials” out there. Think of where medicine, for example, would be without consideration of the “potentials.”
In spite of the generational changes going on, FR is still the best place to go to get the truth.
When Bill Clinton ran for reelection in 1996 there was all sorts of chatter that he would, through executive order, cancel the election. Same thing the left said in 2004. Never happened. Won’t happen in 2012.
Who is "we"? Conservatives lose either way.
Obama intends to steal the election through fraudulent voters, hacking the results, & contesting the vote in court. He only has to be successful at this in a few key precincts to win. That the Pubs are running such a weak candidate as Romney makes the cheating more likely to succeed.
If Obama loses despite his massive cheating, he will wreak havoc on this country in his remaining days; pardoning numerous crooks & killers (Corzine & Jamal are at the top of the list), & blatantly using executive orders to further destroy America. I fully expect the display of “sour grapes” to go down in history as the most disgraceful act of any former President. If you think the Clinton trashing of the White House was deplorable, wait until we see what the exiting Obama administration does.
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