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Where Is the $31K Teacher With a Master's Degree?
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 5/5/2012 | Tom Gantert

Posted on 05/09/2012 4:50:49 AM PDT by MichCapCon

A Tecumseh Public School official says there isn't a second-year teacher with a master's degree making $31,000 a year, despite claims by the Michigan Education Association president and a local website saying that such a teacher exists.

MEA President Steven Cook made the claim twice recently in Detroit News columns.

His statement was then repeated by the website, Blogging for Michigan, which said it found the $31,000-a-year, second year teacher with a master's degree.

Blogging for Michigan, which states on its website: “All Rights Reserved. Suck on that, GOP,” claimed to have found the teacher and posted a paycheck stub with the name of the teacher removed. The website says it is run by Christine Barry, who didn’t return a phone message seeking comment.

Jim Brown, payroll manager at Tecumseh Public Schools, said that a memo of understanding between the union and the district imposed a 10-percent pay cut below the contractual starting salary for teachers just hired. But none met the circumstances the union claims.

The salary schedule on the Tecumseh school district website says that a starting salary for a teacher with a master’s degree is $37,116. Brown said that would be reduced to $33,405 after the 10-percent reduction. That teacher would have remained at that salary for a second year due to the memo of understanding between the district and the union, he said, adding that all teacher’s had their salaries restored to the full schedule amount as of April 27.

Brown said a first-year teacher with a bachelor’s degree would start with a salary of $33,665, which would be reduced to $30,299 after the 10-percent reduction.

The Michigan Association of School Boards reported in 2011 that a first-year teacher with a bachelor’s degree had an average salary of $36,798.

Many districts offer much higher salaries to teachers just starting out. For instance, in Grosse Pointe, a second-year teacher with a master’s degree makes $52,265. In River Rouge, that teacher makes $50,522. The average teacher’s salary in Michigan is $63,024, according to the Michigan Department of Education.

Nonetheless, on March 28, the MEA's Cook first mentioned a teacher with a gross salary of $31,000 per year with a master’s degree and in the second year on the job. On April 25, he said in a column that the teacher was from Lenawee county and repeated the salary and experience claim.

Cook didn’t respond to emails seeking comment.


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: schools; unions

1 posted on 05/09/2012 4:50:59 AM PDT by MichCapCon
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To: MichCapCon
I'm willing to bet that there is zero empirical evidence that attaining a Master's degree has any effect at all on quality of teaching.

The education industry bases pay on degree wickets, not actual performance.

2 posted on 05/09/2012 5:19:12 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: MichCapCon
So basically this was just a lie by the teachers union. Okay, not unexpected.

Regarding the broader issue, teachers seem to expect to have their pay be competitive with industry based on degree level rather than on skill. I mean, seriously, how much is someone with a masters degree in education worth outside of schools? So they just say "masters degree" so they are compared to engineers and nurses and people like that.

Putting that aside, assuming all masters degrees are the same, let's look at teacher compensation as a whole and compare it to industry. Hmmm, can't find my company's policy on tenure anywhere. Oh yeah, nobody anywhere in the real world has a guarantee that they can never be fired! Wow, I might take a little less if I had that. Maybe if the teachers gave that up, they could get a higher salary? Oh, that's not on the table, ever. Well then accept that with a guaranteed job for life tenured teachers cannot compare their compensation to anyone in the real world and move on.

3 posted on 05/09/2012 5:23:37 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: MichCapCon

This is a red herring.

If someone bemoans there’s “a second-year teacher with a master’s degree making $31,000 a year” the correct answer is “So? What’s your point?”

A masters doesn’t make you a good teacher. I could have 3 masters and I’d still produce a classroom of morons.


4 posted on 05/09/2012 5:27:30 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: SampleMan

The funny thing is equating starting salary (and second year is still the beginning of a career)with anything. I know i had to prove myself and as is the case in the real world prove myself over and over again. Even today in my upper 50’s i have to produce. I have to show my worth. The fantasy world of unions believing they’re owed something for having gone to school.


5 posted on 05/09/2012 5:33:46 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Very true!! Why does a master’s seem to infer a certain salary level? Ask all the PhD’s on food stamps, not to mention the people with a master’s in social work. They’d be thrilled to make $30,000.


6 posted on 05/09/2012 5:34:09 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

A thing is worth only and exactly what another is willing to pay for it.


7 posted on 05/09/2012 5:36:08 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ctdonath2

I just had a person with a Masters in Social Work ask me for a $10.00/hr receptionist job.


8 posted on 05/09/2012 5:38:06 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: MichCapCon

In this economy there are plenty of Masters degrees and PhD’s asking “Will that be for here or to go?”


9 posted on 05/09/2012 5:40:52 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Whoa... We're talking about a Masters in EDUCATION . Have you ever seen just what that is? The thesis required is very similar to a high school twenty page paper and the topics are just based on education BS. Usually they are attained over a couple years of summer school classes (through the school of education). Not too rigorous and completely worthless. What a joke.
10 posted on 05/09/2012 5:41:14 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: MichCapCon

Does anyone deciding to become a teacher expect to earn six figures? Teachers moan about low pay, yet it is commonly known that they don’t make big money. Life is about choices we make. As far as degrees, I’ve known people with advanced degrees who couldn’t find their butt with both hands, and high school dropouts who were geniuses.


11 posted on 05/09/2012 5:42:55 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: MichCapCon

I know a junior high school teacher with a Masters degree that is in her 38th year of teaching at the same school.

She teaches science at a Catholic school.

This year, she will make $49,000.


12 posted on 05/09/2012 5:49:35 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: SampleMan
I'm willing to bet that there is zero empirical evidence that attaining a Master's degree has any effect at all on quality of teaching.

I think you're wrong. I'd love to teach, but I've been busy working in a field where experience is more valued more than degrees.

It seems like keeping people with real world, hands on, practical knowledge out of the classroom most certainly has an affect on teaching.

My only guess for why they want you in college longer is there's a greater chance for the liberal brainwashing to sink in.
13 posted on 05/09/2012 5:52:11 AM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Freestate316

“Does anyone deciding to become a teacher expect to earn six figures? Teachers moan about low pay, yet it is commonly known that they don’t make big money. Life is about choices we make. As far as degrees, I’ve known people with advanced degrees who couldn’t find their butt with both hands, and high school dropouts who were geniuses.”

.....and they get their summers off plus to weeks of vacation. They are paid for 180 days of work.


14 posted on 05/09/2012 5:52:22 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: hal ogen
Have you ever seen just what that is? The thesis required is very similar to a high school twenty page paper and the topics are just based on education BS.

Ahhh. Memories....

I attended a prestigious Engineering University. I had 2 roomates my senior year. All of us were in engineering/technology programs. We had girlfriends (two of us anyway). One was in hotel management. The other was in communications. Listening to their "stresses" about their class work became the subject of much ribbing in our apartement. We accepted their challenge to complete all of their homework for one day without having attended a single class. I took on the communications load and one "Jim" took on hotel management. I finished in 35 minutes. He finished in 65 minutes becuase he had to do some research about weather patterns to finish.

Thermodynamics anyone?

15 posted on 05/09/2012 5:58:27 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Freestate316

New York, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey have teachers making over $100,000 a year. There are other states that have teachers making over $100,000 a year.

Furthermore teaching is a part time job and no my gym teacher did not stay up to midnight grading papers every night and neither did most of my teachers.


16 posted on 05/09/2012 6:04:18 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Tenacious 1

Bet you didn’t get any that night!


17 posted on 05/09/2012 6:08:07 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: outpostinmass2

The big lie in MA is that teachers start in Boston at $21,000 with a Masters. The Boston Teacher’s Union own web site has them starting at $45,000.


18 posted on 05/09/2012 6:08:43 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: outpostinmass2

I knew that some made $75,000 a year, but didn’t know some made $100,000. I guess that’s the power of unions! It is a part time job—two weeks off over Christmas, a week in the spring, and all summer. I agree that teachers probably aren’t up late grading papers, particularly gym teachers and grade school teachers. The argument is always “why does someone make $20,000,000 a year for hitting a baseball, but a teacher makes $50,000 a year? Teachers are government employees. Baseball players operate on the open market. There are thousands of good teachers in the world, but only a select few can hit a baseball like Albert Pujols, and the market supports it.


19 posted on 05/09/2012 6:19:09 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: outofsalt
I married the Communications/Public Relations major. :o)

At one point, she was selling Superbowl commercials for Fox. At another point in her career, she had some impressive media people's personal cell phone numbers in her business Rolodex.

Now she raises our children and runs a couple small businesses out of the house.

As it turns out, I married up. :o)

20 posted on 05/09/2012 6:19:09 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Tenacious 1

Potential energy converted to kinetic!
If you can keep the entropy of the kids low your foundation will endure. Congratulations to you both.


21 posted on 05/09/2012 6:29:21 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: LetsRok

On one hand, the teachers say they’re in it because they love to teach. OTOH, they whine and complain that their pay isn’t enough.

Well, which is it? Do you teach because you love to teach or are you in it for the money? If you’re in it for the money, and you know you won’t make much money, then you’re really too stupid to teach the next generation.


22 posted on 05/09/2012 6:33:17 AM PDT by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Besides which, the $31,000/year is for 9 months of work, plus the person is likely to get free or nearly-free health insurance, and some sweet deal accumulating in the pension plan. Add on, probably will get yearly cost of living increases, and increases simply for longevity.

Nothing like the private sector.


23 posted on 05/09/2012 6:33:39 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: MichCapCon

Maybe way up in some poverty pocket on the U.P. the job pays that. But then again you can probably rent a house there for $250 a month.


24 posted on 05/09/2012 6:35:01 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tenacious 1

Georgia Tech 1965-67 (decided to go play in sunny Southeast Asia)

I had to average 21 hours per quarter in order to graduate in 4 years.

Easiest courses? English, PE & some civics class that was teaching about poverty (Michael Harrington’s “The Other America”). In that class I learned that I grew up “below the poverty line” (what’s a poverty line?). Gee, all my life I thought that we were middle class!

Nowadays, kids talk about 12 hours being a Full Load.

If you want to improve schools, every year replace 10% of the Education Majorss with people who have 10 years real world work experience, with 10% of the replacements having real work experience OVERSEAS.

And make Mike Rowe (”Dirty Jobs”) Sec of Education, tasked with teaching America to WORK and with reducing the DOE budget by 25% per year. Final long term budget at 10% current level.

BTW, in another recent post I read that Ga Tech had the best Return on Investment (of your college costs) at 11%. A couple of other schools also had 11%.


25 posted on 05/09/2012 6:37:15 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Tenacious 1

I thought thermodynamics was tough until I took electromagnetic field theory. To be fair there are high school science and math teachers who took thermodynamics and electromagnetic field theory in college. However they are paid the same as the gym teacher. That’s unions for you.


26 posted on 05/09/2012 6:38:49 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: massgopguy
Also throw in automatic step raises guaranteed in their contract and their pay is over $70K in five years.
27 posted on 05/09/2012 6:39:17 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: SampleMan

You are sooo right. If a teacher is teaching second grade math it would not matter to me if she had an associates degree, BS, Masters, or PhD. The pay for teaching second grade math should be a set level. If I work on an assembly line at the Ford plant I do not get more based on my level of education, the same is true if I work for Dept of Streets and Sanitation.


28 posted on 05/09/2012 7:02:36 AM PDT by Why So Serious (There is no cure for stupidity!!!)
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To: MichCapCon
A Tecumseh Public School official says there isn't a second-year teacher with a master's degree making $31,000 a year, despite claims by the Michigan Education Association president and a local website saying that such a teacher exists.

MEA President Steven Cook made the claim twice recently in Detroit News columns.

A UNION THUG LYING?!

I am shocked. Shocked, I say.

29 posted on 05/09/2012 7:14:55 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Tenacious 1

“I know a junior high school teacher with a Masters degree that is in her 38th year of teaching at the same school.

She teaches science at a Catholic school.

This year, she will make $49,000.”

which means she would be making $65k for 12 months of work. that is a good salary

i have a friend who teaches high school and he looks at 12 months of 40 hr weeks and works those hours in his 9 month school year and takes the summer off. i’m sure he is not the norm.


30 posted on 05/09/2012 7:24:00 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: LetsRok

and lets not forget the cadillac health care benefits, pensions, 401 k, early retirement...etc. They also get to work in a nice clean, climate controlled atmosphere. I respect what teachers do but in no way are michigan teachers suffering.


31 posted on 05/09/2012 7:37:13 AM PDT by annelizly
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To: Tenacious 1
We accepted their challenge to complete all of their homework for one day without having attended a single class. I took on the communications load and one "Jim" took on hotel management. I finished in 35 minutes. He finished in 65 minutes becuase he had to do some research about weather patterns to finish.

Awesome!

But I this song (warning, slightly risque music video link here) was a staple in your playlist after that.

32 posted on 05/09/2012 7:37:52 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Freestate316
There are thousands of good teachers in the world, but only a select few can hit a baseball like Albert Pujols, and the market supports it

I'm willing to bet there are LOTS of teachers than can hit a ball as well as Pujols... Trust me, I'm a HUGE Angels fan, and he's pathetic so far.

33 posted on 05/09/2012 8:16:11 AM PDT by NE Cons
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To: NE Cons

I’m a lifelong rabid Phillies fan, so I understand your frustration. Pujols has been a hitting machine for over a decade, putting up incredible numbers. He will go on a tear, hit 10 runs in two weeks, play several more years, then write his speech for Cooperstown. Be patient!


34 posted on 05/09/2012 8:29:52 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: bravo whiskey
which means she would be making $65k for 12 months of work. that is a good salary

Agreed. If she worked in a public school (which she would never be hired for because of her creds), she'd be making $70K+/year.

She is happy where she is and is thinking about retirement in a few years.

35 posted on 05/09/2012 8:39:17 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: pepsi_junkie
Shaquille O'Neal just received a PhD in education. I kid you not. His doctoral dissertation was in the critical area of "the importance of humor in leadership." He says law school is next.


36 posted on 05/09/2012 8:43:36 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: MichCapCon
Teaching is a part time job and the pay should reflect that.
I'm also tired of hearing how teachers spend their own money on students. BS!
If a teacher spends their own money on students then complains about it
they should be fired for being too stupid to teach due to money management.
37 posted on 05/09/2012 9:12:05 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: hal ogen

We’re talking about a Masters in EDUCATION

And a PHD in education is even less.


38 posted on 05/09/2012 9:13:00 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: MichCapCon

My SIL is a teacher but she only does subbing at the high school level.

Whenever she is around teachers that start complaining about their pay she always says the same thing, “You knew going into teaching what the salaries were, so you have no reason to complain.”


39 posted on 05/09/2012 9:17:41 AM PDT by Kimmers (Fair isn't everybody getting the same thing, fair is getting what you need to be successful)
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To: Freestate316

Thanks bud


40 posted on 05/09/2012 9:43:03 AM PDT by NE Cons
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To: MichCapCon
$31K/yr for a teacher with a Master's? Geeze...in *my* neck of the woods the school *janitors* make $50K/yr.Of course back here you've gotta know a politician or be a member of a victim group to get *any* kind of government job.
41 posted on 05/09/2012 3:10:02 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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