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What is Economic Justice?
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Posted on 05/09/2012 7:03:47 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

It's been a long time since I went in-depth into the book Philip Dru: Administrator. While most people concern themselves with hacking away at the tree, I find it instructive to look at the root. Here's what it says in the last two chapters at the end of chapter 5:(unnumbered pages)

If the powerful use their strength merely to further their own selfish desires, in what way save in degree do they differ from the lower animals of creation? And how can man under such a moral code justify his dominion over land and sea?

"Until recently this question has never squarely faced the human race, but it does face it now and to its glory and honor it is going to be answered right. The strong will help the weak, the rich will share with the poor, and it will not be called charity, but it will be known as justice. And the man or woman who fails to do his duty, not as he sees it, but as society at large sees it, will be held up to the contempt of mankind.

What's bolded, that's clearly economic justice. Progressives have long stated that charity simply isn't enough, and that sentiment is echoed right here as well, with "not as he sees it, but as society at large sees it". Society will determine how much you should give, because you aren't giving enough, you greedy SOB.

And if you don't? "will be held up to the contempt of mankind" Then we're going to hassle you out of business with all of our institutions, the media, non profits, academia, and etc.

This is exactly how progressives today act. We've all seen it. Philip Dru has been called a blueprint of progressivism, which is certainly also how I see it, and this is just one example. For anybody who's read the book like I have, I think you'll agree with me: Barack Obama is Philip Dru.

The text of the book is in the link above, or you can also get it from Gutenberg.

Or you can listen to my audiobook recording of it. But as I told Glenn when I spoke with him in October, my first couple of recordings weren't very good. But even in Dru, I do speak clearly. It won't take you very long before you start saying to yourself the very same kinds of things I started saying; the reason why I originally started doing all of this: "It's all here." All the answers. Finally, there are answers.


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: economicjustice; progressingamerica

1 posted on 05/09/2012 7:03:56 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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To: Eye of Newt; AdvisorB; HOYA97; Klemper; pgkdan; vanilla swirl; right way right; Tahoe3002; ...
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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary: You will see Barack Obama in Philip Dru if you take the time to go through this book.

2 posted on 05/09/2012 7:07:20 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Economic Justice is code for: "From each according to his ability to each according to his need"
3 posted on 05/09/2012 7:10:21 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Screwing one person so the other feels good.

I doubt that would work in economics, either.

4 posted on 05/09/2012 7:11:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

That’s easy.

“Economic Justice” is equally distributed poverty as opposed to unequally distributed prosperity.


5 posted on 05/09/2012 7:16:17 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

the “rich” do share their wealth with the poor. they pay most of the income tax, give more to charity, hire folks to do all sorts of work and services and pay top prices for new “toys” such as HDTV. when enough rich people buy enough HDTVs at high cost, the cost comes down and more folks can buy one. (rush has said this many times).


6 posted on 05/09/2012 7:17:24 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Social justice wonks ignore a huge factor. It is impossible for the wealthy to further their own interest without furthering that of others. They aren’t really into self-sufficiency or disintermediation. They need caterers, cabinet makers, car manufacturers, kung fu instructors, and such. They pay these providers what they are worth, so if the providers shine they are enriched.

I work for rich people in my day job and in my major second vocation.

It is the way of things.


7 posted on 05/09/2012 7:18:57 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
And the man or woman who fails to do his duty, not as he sees it, but as society at large sees it, will be held up to the contempt of mankind.

Unless, of course, he or she is a DemocRAT, in which case, said duty does not apply.

8 posted on 05/09/2012 7:22:18 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Little Ray

Economic Justice is Envy writ large.


9 posted on 05/09/2012 7:26:24 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Interesting analysis of Philip Dru found here

Note the ties to 'Globalism', Free Trade without the constraints of morality or patriotism [advocated by Marx to speed the onset of global communism], The Fed [central control of credit, one of the 10 planks of communism], and the CFR.
10 posted on 05/09/2012 7:27:59 AM PDT by khelus
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To: ProgressingAmerica

With king obama, economic justice is a fancy word for reparations.


11 posted on 05/09/2012 7:33:28 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Economic justice is taking money from those still willing to work for a living and giving it to those who vote for a living.


12 posted on 05/09/2012 7:34:25 AM PDT by csmusaret (Obama's new slogan: "Fo Mo Mo Fo.")
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To: ProgressingAmerica

just another euphemism for leftist control


13 posted on 05/09/2012 7:35:27 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Bigun; Smokin' Joe; Little Ray; bravo whiskey; jimfree; Texas Eagle; Eric in the Ozarks; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2881661/posts?page=10#10


14 posted on 05/09/2012 7:36:57 AM PDT by khelus
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Those who are forced to do ‘Justice’ will do no Charity.

Mel


15 posted on 05/09/2012 7:48:00 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: khelus

The country thrived with Christianity as a moral linchpin to capitalism.
We are losing the compassionate conscience due to the gov’mnt appropriating charitable voluntary contributions to those ‘in need’.


16 posted on 05/09/2012 7:51:31 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Capitalism: You are paid what you agree to accept for specified work when it is completed.

Economic Justice: You are paid what a government official decides you need...after the official gets paid and his wife tours Spain, Italy, Africa, etc., etc.


17 posted on 05/09/2012 7:58:23 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Economic Justice = Theft and Oppression.
18 posted on 05/09/2012 7:59:09 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
I saw this ideal of economic “justice” work on a micro level in a family's inheritance. The good children who worked hard and achieved a measure of success got nothing. The slackers who messed up their lives for immediate gratification (cheating and divorce, school drop out, substance abuse etc.) were rewarded with money because they had none.

There is no doubt in that family that economic justice is up-side-down. It rewards evil and punishes goodness.

19 posted on 05/09/2012 7:59:26 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: ProgressingAmerica

My guess is he’s a greedy, tight-fisted SOB himself.


20 posted on 05/09/2012 8:03:07 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: ProgressingAmerica
When Barry Obama becomes unemployed.
21 posted on 05/09/2012 8:04:48 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I.e.: economic justice = economic rape.


22 posted on 05/09/2012 8:09:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: jimfree

So true. When the rich prosper, they need all sorts of goods and services. Four years ago, I was working every day and making good money. We had a cleaning crew come in regularly and clean our house. Now work is slow, so the cleaning crew comes in every few months now. The lady who runs it is slow as well. I’ve noticed people mowing their yards who used to hire a lawn service, and more neighbors washing their cars. The rich are not bottomless pits. Most I know are frugal and make wise decisions. If they are overtaxed, they will shelter their income, or live on investments, paying the much lower capital gains rate.


23 posted on 05/09/2012 8:20:11 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: jimfree

...which gets derided as “trickle-down economics”, with lots of nasty analogies applied.

They just don’t realize that so much of what we enjoy DOES depend on others buying more/better than they need. If we cut all those “obscene luxuries” out of society, and work all down to basics, we’ll find most people have nothing to do and nothing to contribute. Factory farming can generate enough calories, and housing can be cheap & simple, produced by remarkably few laborers; beyond that, what would most do? hence why communism results in destroying most means of efficient production, and kills of large swaths of population: with so few idle, production of basics _must_ be made less efficient so more will have something to do, and those who still don’t have anything to do (since anything “luxurious” is banned for all practical purposes) must be terminated.

This vs. capitalism, where there is incentive to create value in the most unlikely places.


24 posted on 05/09/2012 8:21:19 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Freestate316

On a related note, I’ve long wanted to hire a live-in housekeeper. I’m not rich, but do have a spare room, spare food, and a little spare cash - enough to get someone a job, room & board, entry into prosperity while enhancing my own. Alas, the “economic justice” types have made it impossible with a proliferation of regulations & welfare.


25 posted on 05/09/2012 8:25:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: aumrl

Yup !


26 posted on 05/09/2012 8:27:14 AM PDT by khelus
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To: ProgressingAmerica

“Economic Justice” means, to me, that intelligence, hard work, risk-taking, and talent are rewarded in the marketplace. To liberals, “Economic Justice” means that everyone makes the same income, irrespective of the above characteristics.


27 posted on 05/09/2012 8:31:30 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Don't let Julia fool ya. Socialism doesn't work.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
The most important element of this piece is right here:

but as society at large sees it

Because that implies a whole ton:

* Charity is not noble or worthy unless it can be done at a quantifiable level that passes muster at a societal level, vice an individual level.
* Society now has a vested interest in controlling all aspects of charity; charity should, in fact, be a duty of the state.
* With society the ultimate judge of charity, what is decided to be charity is left to democratic opinion, which can then be enforced with guns.

In sum, it ain't charity unless the government signs off on it, and guess what, you're going to be charitable or we're going to kill you.

28 posted on 05/09/2012 8:39:04 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
If the powerful use their strength merely to further their own selfish desires, in what way save in degree do they differ from the lower animals of creation?

In the twentieth century, there has been a growing influence of irrationalist philosophy, which denies the reliability and efficacy of human reason and which disregards the profound influence that the possession of reason exerts on every aspect of human life. According to such philosophy, there is little to distinguish man from the lower animals.

To the degree that they exist, freedom and the pursuit of material self-interest operating in a rational cultural environment, are the foundation of all the other institutions of capitalism.

29 posted on 05/09/2012 9:29:51 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Apparently it means that if you’ve managed to save any money, you need to give it to folks that spent theirs on piercings, tattoos, and weed.


30 posted on 05/09/2012 10:10:49 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

True economic justice is the unshakeable observation that no one has any claim on wealth except the one who created it. If that person chooses to pay another for work, that is between those two alone

That’s justice and fairness.


31 posted on 05/09/2012 10:32:15 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: khelus

When you look back into the development of the current ‘new world order’ of global socialism (actually pseudo socialism, it’s an oligarchy) Mandel House keeps coming up. League of Nations and elsewhere...


32 posted on 05/09/2012 1:02:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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