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Democrats Would Punish ‘Stand Your Ground’ States
Alphecca ^ | 09 May 2012 | Jeff Soyer

Posted on 05/09/2012 9:47:53 PM PDT by neverdem

In a demonstration of pure political pandering regarding the Martin/Zimmerman case, House Democrats excel:

House Democrats said Tuesday they will offer an amendment to push to overturn stand-your-ground self-defense laws in states like Florida.

The amendment, which would withhold some grants from states that have such laws, will come as part of the House’s debate on the Commerce Department spending bill.

One of the sponsors says it would be no different than withholding highway funds from states that don’t require seat belt use in cars.

“‘Shoot-first’ laws have already cost too many lives. In Florida alone, deaths due to self-defense have tripled since the law was enacted. Federal money shouldn’t be spent supporting states with laws that endanger their own people,” said Reps. Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Keith Ellison of Minnesota, the two Democrats who are offering the legislation.

The law only endangers thugs, muggers, rapists, home invaders, and other mutants. Now, if a citizen can’t properly protect himself, he/she’ll become the statistic.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; standyourground; trayvon; trayvonmartin
With Obama, so many of the rats' inner moonbats are coming out.
1 posted on 05/09/2012 9:47:56 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They are denying the most basic right, the right to defend oneself...


2 posted on 05/09/2012 9:51:22 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: neverdem

I say that the States, like mine that have a similar law, should tell the Feds kiss this, and I don’t mean on the rosy red lips either.


3 posted on 05/09/2012 9:58:57 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: neverdem

The “Support Your Local Criminal” act.


4 posted on 05/09/2012 10:00:04 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: neverdem

See my tag...


5 posted on 05/09/2012 10:11:19 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: neverdem

“Shoot-first’ laws have already cost too many lives.”

As opposed to die-first or get-raped-first laws?

Calling them shoot first laws is more deliberate progressive dishonesty. I would expect nothing less from Rep. Grijalva. In fact, a defendant who can invoke a Stand Your Ground law did nothing first. The perp attacked him in a way that put him in reasonable fear that his life was in danger. The perp did that first. If the perp didn’t do that first, then the defendant cannot invoke Stand Your Ground.

Leftist heros like Lee Harvey Oswald, Mao and Stalin were “shoot-first” kinda guys.


6 posted on 05/09/2012 11:17:41 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: neverdem

Its not shhot first.

It requires courts and prosecutors to presume the self defense gun user’s ue of the weapon to be justified unless they can prove it was not.

Kind of goes along with innocent until proven guilty concept the left always trots out to murderers of certain colors they love to protect.


7 posted on 05/09/2012 11:36:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: KrisKrinkle
When it comes time to name the Legislation, they will call it the “Ban the Bush Doctrine for Teabaggers” Bill.
8 posted on 05/10/2012 12:02:27 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: neverdem

Here in Ohio, it seems like firearm self defense courses focus primarily on defending yourself in court after you have used deadly force.


9 posted on 05/10/2012 12:31:51 AM PDT by RC one (all y'all had to do was vote for Newt but noooooo, he wasn't good enough.)
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To: RC one

Did they forget the 2010 Election?


10 posted on 05/10/2012 2:05:43 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: neverdem

SYG laws have a decidedly negative impact on a core DemocRAT constituency—Criminals.


11 posted on 05/10/2012 3:49:26 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: Arm_Bears
"SYG laws have a decidedly negative impact on a core DemocRAT constituency—Criminals."

For future reference... Using "Criminal" and "Democrat" in the same sentence is an exercise in redundancy.

12 posted on 05/10/2012 3:52:58 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Indeed.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 3:55:13 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: neverdem
Or not.

"The controversial “Trayvon Amendment” proposed by House Democrats, which would have punished states for having “Stand Your Ground” laws on their books, has been withdrawn by the Democrats."

14 posted on 05/10/2012 3:55:21 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: neverdem

It should be called the ‘How to cultivate anarchy’ law

With laws like that in place back when America BECAME America, we would not have survived as a national entity for more than a couple years, if that!


15 posted on 05/10/2012 4:23:01 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: neverdem
" In Florida alone, deaths due to self-defense have tripled since the law was enacted."

This is either a flat-out lie, or at the very least a gross distortion of the facts. This ASSumption ignores the deaths of innocent people that have been PREVENTED, either directly or by deterrence ("holy crap, I might get shot!").

It reminds me of the 'broken window' story. The libtards ignore the lives that were saved for the same reason they ignore the tailor who didn't get to sell a suit to the baker...because he never enters the scene.

16 posted on 05/10/2012 4:39:45 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: ModelBreaker

“Calling them shoot first laws is more deliberate progressive dishonesty.”

A true “shoot first” law would allow us to take out dishonest progressive liberals.


17 posted on 05/10/2012 4:46:33 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: neverdem

This story holds up easily, The Defender (Zimmerman) describes the entrance to Retreat at the Lakes in his conversation with 911 operator. This means he followed Trayvon (Saint Skittles) straight into the complex, where Saint Skittles circled the SUV and continued to wander, where the Defender continued to follow Skittles.

At this point, Skittles hopped up from the sugar and iced tea from his ‘Last Supper’ lost control and attacked The Defender, as the pictures clearly indicate that The Defender (Zimmerman) sustained injuries to the head by Saint Skittles vicious attack, and under ‘Stand your ground’ defended himself within the current law. Saint Skittles caused his own judgement. Saint Skittles was rendered justice a mere 70 feet from his own backyard.


18 posted on 05/10/2012 5:48:52 AM PDT by HHawk86
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To: neverdem

These idiots who insist on the “Duty to Retreat” scenario have obviously never been in combat.
I remember in Vietnam when we had to wait to be shot at first before we could return fire. This is stupidity foisted on us by liberals.
What we need is a sensibly “Homeowner’s Rules of Engagement” that emphasises that you can use deadly force without the worry of consequences from liberal bureaucrats. My first preference is the Castle Doctrine. And to insure there are no repeat attempts on my families lifes, the “Pursue and Kill” clause.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 9:07:23 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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