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Indonesia Finds SuperJet 100 Crash Site
Reaganite Republican ^ | May 10, 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 05/10/2012 6:30:13 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican

Russian plane hit side of steep volcano- no survivors

Rescuers found shattered wreckage earlier today of the Russian-made Sukhoi Superjet 100 that hit the side of an Indonesian volcano at full-speed during a sales demonstration flight- all 45 people on board were feared dead.

"So far we haven't found any survivors, but we are still searching," he said as teams of soldiers, police and volunteers continued to troop up the slopes. The spot is basically unreachable on foot. so evidence and bodies are being placed in nets/hammocks and raised by helicopters from the Indonesian Air Force.

The Sukhoi Superjet 100 -Russia's first new model of passenger jet since the fall of the USSR- carried with it high hopes for Russian passenger aircraft sales, both domestically and internationally.

The doomed plane was carrying dozens of representatives from local airlines and journalists on what was supposed to be a quick, 50-minute demonstration flight Wednesday.... but 21 minutes out of Jakarta, the Russian pilot asked for permission to drop from 10,000 feet to 6,000 feet, according to the chief of the national search and rescue agency in Indonesia.

They then promptly disappeared -inexplicably- from the radar screen.

Flying at 6,000 feet very close to the 7,000-foot volcano, the plane smashed into the jagged ridge on top of the dormant Mount Salak at a speed of approximately 480 mph.

The impact sent debris tumbling down the side of the mountain, leaving a giant hole in the side of the volcano's side... trees were blown-off clean.

The Superjet 100 was developed with the encouragement of the Kremlin in-order for the Russians to regain a foothold in the passenger plane export market. The country's commercial passenger aircraft industry all but evaporated in the financial chaos of the Yeltsin era.

Potential buyers will scrutinize the crash investigation for signs of flaws in the plane.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Military/Veterans; Politics; Weather
KEYWORDS: cfit; indonesia; russians; sukhoi; superjet
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1 posted on 05/10/2012 6:30:15 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

That’s a sales call gone bad. The Russians essentially killed all of the decision-makers.

Hello, Boeing?

Seriously, I don’t mean to make light of such a tragedy, condolences to the families.


2 posted on 05/10/2012 6:33:09 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Reminds me of the time a few years ago when Bill Gates was showing off a new version of Windows and the computer Blue Screened. Of course a bunch of people didn’t die during the sales demo.


3 posted on 05/10/2012 6:33:28 AM PDT by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I don’t think I’d remain in the potential buyer pool.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 6:34:00 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Killing potential clients isn’t exactly a solid business plan.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 6:35:24 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Potential buyers will scrutinize the crash investigation for signs of flaws in the plane.

And if they find no flaws they will go ahead with purchases? But it does sound like pilot error/bad weather.

6 posted on 05/10/2012 6:35:27 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Very sorry to hear of such a tragedy.We all (most of us?) travel by air.


7 posted on 05/10/2012 6:37:06 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Reaganite Republican

How ridiculous to request permission to fly at 6000 feet when you are near a 7000 foot mountain. What was the air traffic controller thinking? What a tragedy of errors. Wasn’t there a flight plan? Didn’t they know where they were going? This is ridiculous.


8 posted on 05/10/2012 6:38:03 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Potential buyers will scrutinize the crash investigation for signs of flaws in the plane.

I hate to LOL about something so messed up, but...LOL!

SalesGeek: ".... and HERE, we have the remaining metal fragments of the sleek, impressive looking frame. What a beauty she would have been!....."

SalesGeek: ".... and over HERE, there are bits of glass and wiring that was once the worlds Technological leader in 3D integrated LCD avionics.... sir, please don't step on that arm... thank you........"

SalesGeek: ".... and way over HERE, we have ....."

And so on.

9 posted on 05/10/2012 6:40:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: yldstrk

“Seemed like a good idea at the time.”


10 posted on 05/10/2012 6:43:05 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Reaganite Republican
Potential buyers will scrutinize the crash investigation for signs of flaws in the plane.

Unless there was a problem with the navigation system this wouldn't be the plane's fault.Just about any plane would have problem when hitting a mountain at 450mph.Mind you,I never have flown...and never will fly...in a Soviet made aircraft.I'll walk first.

11 posted on 05/10/2012 6:49:38 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: yldstrk
Uhhh ~ this is INDONESIA.

All air traffic flies near volcanos. It's part of the normal condition. They have air charts. The pilot should have known.

12 posted on 05/10/2012 6:50:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

proves my point, what sort of moron would request flying permission for 6000 feet when near a 7000 foot mountain? What air traffic controller would say ok?


13 posted on 05/10/2012 6:51:47 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Reaganite Republican

unless the pilot was a mohammedan, then the whole thing becomes easier to explain


14 posted on 05/10/2012 6:52:32 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: luvbach1
But it does sound like pilot error/bad weather.

As I said yesterday...I have some experience in that part of the world and two things that can be said are 1) it's a *very* mountainous part of the world...2) incredible thunderstorms are numerous there and they pop up out of nowhere on a moment's notice.I think I read that the weather had turned bad in that area at the time of the flight.

15 posted on 05/10/2012 6:54:59 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: yldstrk

Or an FSB agent working for Putin. Passenger list might be interesting.


16 posted on 05/10/2012 6:58:35 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: yldstrk
Garuda, the Indonesian national airline, is known to be a white knuckle outfit.

When I got picked up at the Perth, Australia airport, my buddy told me about a couple of years ago when a Garuda 747 tried to land on Route 1 outside the airport......that's the highway leading in to the airport, not a runway.

17 posted on 05/10/2012 6:58:47 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walked into a bar; barkeep said "Hi Mitt")
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To: Gay State Conservative

Given same operational environment Soviet commercial aircraft are safer than Western counterpart. Statistics proves that.


18 posted on 05/10/2012 7:16:16 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
Given same operational environment Soviet commercial aircraft are safer than Western counterpart. Statistics proves that.

What,Soviet statistics? The University of East Anglia's statistics proved that we're all gonna burn up in 20 years.

19 posted on 05/10/2012 7:24:11 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: yldstrk

“How ridiculous to request permission to fly at 6000 feet when you are near a 7000 foot mountain. What was the air traffic controller thinking? What a tragedy of errors. Wasn’t there a flight plan? Didn’t they know where they were going? This is ridiculous.”

“Pilot, do you mind if we drop down a bit so I can get some pictures of the volcano?”

Pilot to co-pilot: “You know this isn’t ending well.”


20 posted on 05/10/2012 7:24:33 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Would you rather eat dog food or cat food? Guess it's Romney 2012.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Hey, what’s a mountain goat doing on a cloud bank?”


21 posted on 05/10/2012 7:25:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

you are probably right


22 posted on 05/10/2012 7:28:31 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Potential buyers will scrutinize the crash investigation for signs of flaws in the plane.
Unless there was a problem with the navigation system this wouldn’t be the plane’s fault.Just about any plane would have problem when hitting a mountain at 450mph.Mind you,I never have flown...and never will fly...in a Soviet made aircraft.I’ll walk first.

I don’t know,But if I had the money and the Opportunity I would love to fly a Mig 29 of my own.

That thing could really haul.


23 posted on 05/10/2012 7:32:55 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: cunning_fish

“Given same operational environment Soviet commercial aircraft are safer than Western counterpart. Statistics proves that.”

Laughable.


24 posted on 05/10/2012 7:33:10 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: yldstrk

“Wasn’t there a flight plan? Didn’t they know where they were going? This is ridiculous.”

Being a short sales demo flight, I doubt they were on an instrument flight plan. More likely they were showing off the plane under visual flight rules, making the crew entirely responsible for traffic and terrain avoidance.

If they were attempting to remain clear of clouds with the descent to 6000, it suggests that the mountain tops were obscured.

Really easy to smack into something at 480 mph, when you’re flying in a mountainous area and you can’t see what’s in front.

Only the guys on the flight deck know what happened for sure. And they’re no longer talking. Sad.


25 posted on 05/10/2012 7:35:36 AM PDT by Tigerized ("..and whack 'em, and whack 'em, and whack 'em!' cried the Toad in ecstasy." (also my 2012 strategy))
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To: Gay State Conservative

They are not Soviets who counts statistics for air crashes.
Russian civilian airliners are built military way with a lot of structural integrity and most systems dubbed.
For that reason if Tupolev airliner force lands on an abandoned WWII airsrip and ploughs a few hundred yards into thick forrest all passengers are just walking away from that crash. So does an aircraft itself taking off from that same place a week later after some repair.
A lot are still flying in Asia and Africa after 40 years where Boeing will fall apart lacking any proper maintenance.


26 posted on 05/10/2012 7:41:54 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: puppypusher
I don’t know,But if I had the money and the Opportunity I would love to fly a Mig 29 of my own.

Hmmm...I don't know.I get a little queasy pulling g's in my 4 door sedan.I think I'd take a rain check on that *regardless* of who made the aircraft.However,while in Australia a few years ago,I saw all sorts of ads for rides in supersonic fighter jets.I don't recall the type of aircraft having been specified but I gave it a miss. ;-)

27 posted on 05/10/2012 7:42:20 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: Reaganite Republican
Hopefully, the next model will have a better oscillation overthruster.

(sadly, I couldn't find the Lord John Whorfin "Come on, feet, do your stuff!" moment on Youtube)

28 posted on 05/10/2012 7:44:13 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Reaganite Republican

Not such a “super” jet now is it?


29 posted on 05/10/2012 7:45:14 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Democracy and islam are not compatible!)
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To: riverdawg

>>>>>>>“Given same operational environment Soviet commercial aircraft are safer than Western counterpart. Statistics proves that.”

Laughable.>>>>>>>>

What exactly is laughable? Soviet aircraft are often flown by careless carriers. That is a reason behing most crashes.


30 posted on 05/10/2012 7:45:42 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: yldstrk
How ridiculous to request permission to fly at 6000 feet when you are near a 7000 foot mountain. What was the air traffic controller thinking?

Not really on the controller...pilot had crap for brains.

31 posted on 05/10/2012 7:46:28 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: straps

FYI.


32 posted on 05/10/2012 7:53:23 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Reaganite Republican
The article gave this clue what may have happened:

"Yet after numerous delays, only a handful have been produced, engine certification being a major snag."

Only time will tell what the problem was.

33 posted on 05/10/2012 8:00:58 AM PDT by AGreatPer (Any Republican. Just NO Obama.)
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To: yldstrk
A moron in Indonesia ~ they have 239,870,937 people, and 169,000,000 of them live right on that little island of Java which is about the size of Alabama. Certainly they have their fair share of morons.

Now, tell me, where you going to land a plane without worrying about a volcano?

NOTE: Java has 44 major volcanoes, 20 of which have been active in modern times. Imagine Alabama or Mississippi with 44 major volcanic peaks. Fly a plane through there in your mind's eye. In the dark. When it's rainy.

34 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cunning_fish
“Boeing will fall apart lacking any proper maintenance.”

You really don't know what you are writing about. Any commercial or military aircraft requires “proper” maintenance to remain airworthy. There are ancient Boeing 707s still in service as freighters and I think a few are still in passenger service with foreign airlines.

You can try to define “operational environment” in a way that will give you whatever result you want, but there is no way I would ever willingly fly in a TU-154 or an IL-76.

35 posted on 05/10/2012 8:15:33 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: yldstrk

I forget what the MEA (minimum enroute altitude) is supposed to be over obstructions on the ground.


36 posted on 05/10/2012 8:32:57 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: cunning_fish
“Soviet aircraft are often flown by careless carriers.”

Yes, for example, Aeroflot. If Russian-built commercial aircraft were so superior, then I assure you that Western airlines would buy them. They don't. (The one exception I know about is a regional Italian airline that flies a few Su-100s.)

37 posted on 05/10/2012 8:33:42 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: ErnBatavia

Think about the reaction from the drivers on the ground. And what the pilot and co-pilot thought when they noticed those cars!


38 posted on 05/10/2012 8:35:45 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: ErnBatavia

I flew Garuda once many years ago. Not a good rep at the time, and I could see why.


39 posted on 05/10/2012 8:40:44 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Listening to the news all morning and didn’t see anything about this. Wonder why?


40 posted on 05/10/2012 8:40:51 AM PDT by AGreatPer (Any Republican. Just NO Obama.)
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To: AGreatPer

The Left has to sanitize failures of the Left in order to make collectivism appealing.


41 posted on 05/10/2012 8:42:56 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: muir_redwoods; All

Interestingly, a Boeing office was on my site the last 18 hrs straight, downloading everything

I was on this story from the start two days ago because I found it particularly interesting the Russians were planning export offensives in the civil aircraft industry.

But their industry under Putin is one Soviet-style 5-year-plans BUT also forced unions withing the Russian Federation’s aircraft companies... when the only good thing about that business in Soviet times was often fierce competition between the ‘design bureaus’, such as Mig, Ilyushin, Sukhoi, Yak, et al.... that was what brought-about some of their best designs, actually


42 posted on 05/10/2012 8:49:27 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: ken5050

*** PING ***


43 posted on 05/10/2012 8:50:20 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: luvbach1

“And if they find no flaws they will go ahead with purchases?”

That would be the $6M question, but obviously a very touchy subject, given the spotty Soviet safety record w/ Tu-154 and such

I would now expect Kremlinbucks to flow in the direction of Indonesian crash investigators...


44 posted on 05/10/2012 8:56:47 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: yldstrk; All

“what sort of moron would request flying permission for 6000 feet when near a 7000 foot mountain? What air traffic controller would say ok?”

He asked permission but it was not actually ever granted, the Russians fell of radar and lost radio contact seconds after making the request.


45 posted on 05/10/2012 8:59:17 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Gay State Conservative

Mind you,I never have flown...and never will fly...in a Soviet made aircraft.I’ll walk first... I, regrettably, have, and your decision is sound.


46 posted on 05/10/2012 9:09:59 AM PDT by Safetgiver (The predator class is upset because they are being shot.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

FOX early report on this says it may have been a fly by wire problem but not certain yet.


47 posted on 05/10/2012 9:10:45 AM PDT by AGreatPer (Any Republican. Just NO Obama.)
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To: muawiyah

ok, I am duly impressed with your knowledge of Indonesia.

However, I thought this plane took off from Russia?


48 posted on 05/10/2012 9:40:15 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cunning_fish
“Soviet aircraft are often flown by careless carriers.”

Yes, for example, Aeroflot. If Russian-built commercial aircraft were so superior, then I assure you that Western airlines would buy them. They don't. (The one exception I know about is a regional Italian airline that flies a few Su-100s.)

49 posted on 05/10/2012 10:02:01 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: yldstrk
They were showing it off to clients in Indonesia. 2900 KM will get you from Jakarta to Moscow in one hop ~ it's about 8000 KM on that trip.

Maybe to Kamchatka ~

50 posted on 05/10/2012 11:47:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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