Skip to comments.I'm Not An Organ Donor.
Posted on 05/12/2012 10:09:45 AM PDT by JoanVarga
If that plain statement offends you, then you can take the measure of just how far your thinking has been influenced by the Imagine crowd. Specifically, the imagine no possessions set.
You have no right to my organs after Im gone. Sorry. I have every right to be this way without being judged as selfish. Here I draw the line on the march of the boundary-challenged fascists: No. Hands off. Find some other way to save a life that doesnt involve the inherent corruption of the medical profession when an unscrupulous and hardened surgeon is tempted with my shiny, perfectly functioning kidneys while Im under the knife for an appendectomy.
Im fine with being an organ receiver from a willing donor. Im fine with willingly offering surplus parts of my own while Im still alive. But I am not a passive donor. Its my living, thinking, breathing choice while Im alive and my fervent wish to be respected after Im gone. Mine.
Theres something that disturbs me about the push for everyone to be an organ donor. People that wish to make their flesh a commodity while theyre alive or dead have that choice. Its when we give that power to another that I worry.
If you own it, be careful to whom you would offer it. Unknown future entities (i.e., govt doctors) do not inspire confidence.
I'm not alone in this, apparently. A friend noted in the comments to this post:
I began recommending to my kids and other youngsters that they take up smoking.
Each one has responded with varying degrees of unbelieving protest. The smartest expected that there must be something else I had to say, and so they asked why I would recommend that they put their health at risk?
Yes, in a world where longevity risks are static, you would indeed increase your risk of dying early by being a smoker. On the other hand, should you ever be in need of life-saving medical care, and decisions about saving your life is being weighed, then it will be too late to recognize the value at auction for smoke free lungs and other organs. Cannibalism has a whole new meaning in this brave new world."
Thanks for putting my attitude on the subject into better words than I can think of.
They can have anything they want of mine when I’m done with it. Even Soylent Green if they want.
Don’t sign that card!
It almost feels subversive, doesn’t it? Welcome to the club.
Yes, but if you've signed a card, they will also feel quite compelled to decide when you're "done with it." That's the issue. And it's real.
There are all sorts of ways to make one’s flesh a commodity. Had I expressed it any other way, someone would have pointed out the obvious omission. :O)
You’re not alone. I’m not an organ donor either for the same reasons. I DO think sometimes, when the time is right, to SELL my organ(s) letting my beneficiares receive the money.
young old and I worked hard most of my life and my body lets me know every day LOL
It's just a matter of time before they take anything they want, anytime they want.
And as soon as the central government gets their universal DNA database set up, it will just be a matter of time before people of less value to the government are selected to "donate" organs to people of higher value, whether they are dying or not.
For the "greater good," of course.
Here in CA, when they mailed you your new driver’s license, they used to include a stick-on orange dot in the package. If you wanted to be an organ donor, you stuck it on your license. I always stuck the dot on the license, knowing I change my mind and peel it off.
A few years ago, after I took the renewal test and got my new license in the mail (and admittedly, I had checked “yes” to the organ donor question) it was unsettling to see that the dot was now embedded in the plastic on the license. No changing your mind. It bothered me for years.
Last year when I renewed again, I checked ‘no” at the DMV. The clerk seemed surprised. “You don’t want to be an organ donor?” “No.”
So my new license has no orange dot. But here’s what’s creepy: you’re still required to go on a government website and jump through all their hoops to get your name off the official state donor list. So even if you “opt out” at the DMV and get rid of the orange dot notation on your license, as far as the state is concerned, if you ever opted in, you’re a donor. Period.
I printed out a copy of my “take me off the list” donor receipt and put it with my important papers, and also let family members know loud and clear — if I’m incapacitated, I am NOT an organ donor.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s “no record” at the state registry of my ever having taken myself off the list. Just look at the subtle pressure from the clerk at the DMV. The default position of the state is now “Of course, you’re an organ donor. Why wouldn’t you be? Are you selfish?”
The whole thing just creeps me out. Your post said it all very well.
I’m not an organ donor either. When I was in college, I considered it. However, I worked at a hospital. A teen had been in a traumatic vehicle accident and the hospital kept pushing the family to donate the organs. When the family told the doctors that their daughter squeezed their hands slightly when asked to do so, the doctors told them it was not possible. The family was “feeling” what wasn’t there to make themselves feel like she was viable. Long story short... the teen was later transferred to a rehabilitation facility. She would never be like she was before the accident; however, she was able to re-learn how to walk (with a gait), talk, etc... That one case has always stayed in my mind.
The only way I would become an organ donor is if it could be only reserved for a conservative. The very last thing I would want to have my organs go to is a damned Democrat.
There are a couple of organs you could donate that are desperately needed by the GOP leadership.
I ride motorcycles AND I refused to donate my organs.
But everything has its price especially if I can live with one kidney.
I’m surprised if not more people are refusing to sign these donor cards, instead their should be a Kelly blue book value of used human parts and they should instead be bought.
So if I get killed on the highway then my family can get the monies from my auctioned surviving parts.
Why give it away when times are tough? Think of the funeral cost at the very least!
Illegal under current law.
If you would like to watch a depressing, distressing yet thoroughly thought provoking movie on the subject, I would recommend the above.
Neither am I, but I offer free removal of organs for anyone that tries to make me a donor.
Nope, their purpose is to take control and ownership of your private property.
Please post the link. All I see is a red X.
The donor was a 34 year old black man, William Lucas, who was conveniently found beaten to death just when the governor needed the organs.
Thank you for making the point so bluntly. I try not to be paranoid, but it’s getting pretty tough.
Brains and balls.
The best bet is to use the system against the system.
1) There are numerous diseases that disqualify organ donation.
2) The way such diseases are determined is usually first a mention in a medical record, and second, a blood test for the *antigens*, the bodies immune response to that disease in particular. Importantly, not the disease itself.
3) So all a person needs is to have an annotation made in their medical file, likely during a brief visit to Mexico, then to have an inoculation of the otherwise harmless, appropriate antigen. The combination of these two things will make your organs “anathema” to transplant.
Of course, if the organ theft arrangement has become incredibly corrupt, they won’t care if the organ is full of worms before selling it to some desperate patient.
Reminds me of the movie “Frrejack”
I bet the very wealthy fund research to implement total memory wipe and transference.
So in the near future some disease ridden democrat will just steal your body, erase your past and move in like a squatter.
So are moose-bites. :-^]
And the movie, “The Island,” where utopia for the cloned proles was all in effect to benefit the elite who could afford their own clone.
Now, that's the best probable explanation for Barack Obama's behavior I've heard.
I don’t care what anyone says, I think there are some very wealthy people on this planet that have their own private spare parts human being stashed away under the castle or Oval Office.
Or in extreme cases the local zoo....
It always has been. And that's my real point: they keep pushing. They are outraged when you calmly protest at each new encroachment on private property.
Private property is the basis of Law. Seeking to erase boundaries sounds nice in a song, but it is, by definition and in fact, lawlessness. Anarchy.
And despite the best and bravest face the youngsters put on it, anarchy is NEVER pretty.
Hmmm. I wonder if I can get my case of dengue fever I caught while living in Mexico noted into my medical record here in the States. Hmmm...
That “borderless” attitude has let in enough virulence from Mexico (MMM and Whooping Cough) that we may well be fighting for our lives in large numbers. That’s for another post.
Gee, thanks! I already have one. :o)
I would adopt the “salt the earth” ideology, if I die I would leave behind instructions to have me conveniently either dropped into a wood chipper, encased in a concrete footing or an accident involving a large amount of fireworks.
And for all other issues there are a thousand ways to drastically remove the value of property or even land should one see the inevitability of Federal seizures.
Leave them no spoils, no glory, no propaganda worthy to their cause.
While dengue might be transmitted via organ donation, I would probably go for something more assured. It would probably need so research to figure out what would be most effective as a deterrent, yet not difficult to simulate.
You stated exactly how I feel about it. If by chance there is no way for me to be saved, then my family will know whether or not I want to donate or not. They will not let anyone know until the very end.
I would never be listed in a organ donor database. That just opens up all sorts of problems for the person that could possibly be saved. I also feel that the doctors could be thinking - well we have 4 people that could benefit from this persons parts. Lets not try so hard to save them.
You are not alone!
The United States Catholic Bishops’ Conference stated in 1977:
The transplantation of organs from living donors is morally permissible when the anticipated benefit to the recipient is proportionate to the harm done to the donor, provided that the loss of such organ(s) does not deprive the donor of life itself nor of the functional integrity of his body.
Postmortem examinations must not begin until death is morally certain. Vital organs, that is, organs necessary to sustain life, may not be removed until death has taken place. The determination of the time of death must be made in accordance with responsible and commonly accepted scientific criteria. In accordance with current medical practice, to prevent any conflict of interest, the dying patient’s doctor or doctors should ordinarily be distinct from the transplant team.
Powerful medical organizations that advocate organ donation do not always support the morally correct position. Take, for example, the flip-flop stance of the Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs of the American Medical Association (E-J Council AMA). In 1988, the Council concluded that it is “ethically acceptable” to use organs from anencephalic  neonates only after they have died (AMA “Reports,” 1992, vol. 1, 40-52). In 1994 the same Council reversed its position by stating that it is ethically acceptable to transplant the organs of anencephalic infants even before they die.
"Since you seem to think there is an unscrupulous surgeon just around to corner you are avoiding all contac with those in the healthcare profession. You never know when a Nurse Practioner might slip you a roofie and youll wind up w/o kidneys in a hotel bathtub.
I agree its your right not to be an organ donor and I really dont care who is or who isnt. What is insulting is the implication that those who take oaths to care for you are out organ stealing. You sound just like an Obamacare proponent."
I refuse to donate any organ, including my blood, for two reasons: I have psoriatic arthritis and Chronic Fatigue and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome.
While dialysis may help the arthritis, no one knows if CFIDS is contagious or if it can be transferred in any way.
Of course, I owe no one a reason for my choice and refuse to be pressured.
Erase the “d will”
I do not.
I sound like a life proponent, and our Dear Leader is anything but. I dont ascribe to surgeons or health professionals any more undue trust than I do a stock broker. Money corrupts every profession. Its my wish to keep temptation to a minimum. Especially if the surgeon is getting paid by the governments Obamacare. Theres enough evidence already that if there is extra money to be made, there are plenty in the health professions who will help themselves. I will not troll my nice jewelry down the night streets of my neighborhood, nor will I present myself as a living moral nuisance to the health industry. Not everyone in my nabe is corrupt, but I cant know who is who. Best to be safe.
The point is, there is a concerted effort, a push to have people give up their right to their body.
But Ill send your sneering regards to my brothers healthy kidney, wherever it ended up. His doctors in Chicago robbed him of a perfectly healthy kidney by telling him it had a cancerous tumor. After surgery, they said, ooops! Nope. It was actually a healthy one that just had a blood bruise. So sorry and all that. No need for chemo, etc. Sure, mistakes happen. Theyll happen more in a thugocracy.
People take oaths all the time. And yet abortion continues. Little feet in jars and such.
Your President took an oath, too. . .
Our organ donation laws are based on keeping the financial proceeds from the multi-billion dollar organ harvesting business flowing into the proper accounts.
My fiancee woke up feeling not so good one day. He is 34 years old. He went to the ER. he had no open wounds but was down to only having 6 or 7 pints of blood in his body. He was in end-stage complete renal failure. His doctor had totally missed all the symptoms. He is on dialysis three times a week for 3 to 4 hours at a time, and he will be for the rest of his life, unless he gets another kidney. They typed all of his family with no luck, so his only hope is organ donation.
I have a cousin named Liana. She’s in her 20’s. She was diagnosed as being terminal without finding a bone marrow match. By the grace of God they found a match for her and she is good to go for her transplant on May 22.
We donated my father’s eyes, bone and skin when he passed. He had a massive heart attack, it basically exploded in his chest and his organs had been without oxygen for so long that we were unable to donate anything else.
I doubt that any doctor would “steal” organs to make money. You can get more money out of someone with a chronic condition than you can be curing someone of said condition.
My brother, and my mother, and pretty much every member of my family is an organ donor. I am and have a living will set up to specify it, and I’m in the process of getting typed and will be on the national bone marrow donation registry. I think refusing to be an organ donor is pretty much the height of selfishness. If you can look at a 7 yr old child on dialysis until he either gets a kidney or dies or 4 yr old child that needs a heart transplant and still say, “Nope, I’m keeping all my organs”, that’s between you and whatever God you claim to worship.
Well said. In this little piece of history, corruption reigns supreme.
Now go back and re-read my essay, especially where I say that I have nothing against willingly donating or receiving any organ. And read my other comments. You have completely missed the point. Understandable, given your frightful circumstances.
However, not even 7 year olds are entitled to my body, my organs or my property, or anything of mine against my will, living or otherwise.
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