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OíReilly And Trayvon Attorney Dissect Legal Impact Of Zimmermanís Medical Records Showing Injuries
Mediaite ^ | May 16, 2012 | Meenal Vamburkar

Posted on 05/16/2012 6:12:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

On his show Wednesday night, Bill O’Reilly returned to the Trayvon Martin case — in light of ABC News’ report that medical records support George Zimmerman‘s account of scalp injuries and a broken nose. O’Reilly emphasized — as he has in the past — that the case should not be tried on television. He brought in Martin family’s attorney, Benjamin Crump, to discuss.

Obviously, O’Reilly said, this new evidence points to a confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman. Furthermore, all the pundits who were quick to place guilt on Zimmerman, he said, are now being challenged by the medical report.

Crump agreed the case shouldn’t be tried on TV, but said the medical records should be “vetted properly.” He went on to question why Zimmerman, if he’d sustained serious injuries, would have declined medical attention following the incident. O’Reilly agreed that the prosecutor needs to cross-examine — going on to mention Martin’s autopsy, which said Martin’s knuckles were scraped. (NBC News’ report notes it was, “a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size — on his left ring finger below the knuckle.)

Without eyewitnesses, O’Reilly said, it’s very difficult to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, second-degree murder based on racial profiling. Crump urged the need to put “everything in the full context.” There “are different versions of his account,” Crump said. “They hopefully are going to come out.” He went on to say that if Zimmerman had “stood down,” there’d have been to need for him to “stand his ground” — referring to Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, which allows acting in self-defense if there’s a reasonable belief of threat.

The two agreed on one thing: we shouldn’t be jumping to any conclusions, especially not without taking a look at all the evidence in context.

Take a look at the segment, via Fox News:

(VIDEO AT LINK)


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Local News; Politics; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: angelacorey; bencrump; blackkk; coreyfong; florida; georgezimmerman; justicefortrayvon; justicefortrayvoninc; nifonged; tedbaxter; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
Tell me that that Benjamin Crump is really a comedian brought in to spoof a black civil rights lawyer. Please.
1 posted on 05/16/2012 6:13:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like a reasonable attempt to assess the situation.


2 posted on 05/16/2012 6:16:24 PM PDT by PapaNew (a)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Were there any injuries to the trayvon teenagers gold teeth.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 6:17:39 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Without eyewitnesses, O’Reilly said, it’s very difficult to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, second-degree murder based on racial profiling any conceivable motive.

There,fixed it up for Mr O'Reilly.

4 posted on 05/16/2012 6:22:39 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: All

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BOR is Blaming the Victim, plain and simple.

If the Police don’t report to a call, no one would get hurt. If people didn’t watch their neighborhoods, there would never be any confrontation (yeah, okay).

BOR is an Idiot and he’s afraid to speak the Truth. He get this Medical Report stating Black Eyes, swelling, lacerations, a Broken Nose, and a head injury - along with Trayvon’s knuckles - and he says it looks like there could’ve been some kind of confrontation.

No, it’s clear one person was attacked and they defended themself.

Remember when Ted Baxter wasn’t going to cover this because it shouldn’t be tried on Televison? That was when Crump was going on MSNBC, CNN, and ABC. When they took the booking - suddenly O’Reilly says it’s too important not to cover. What a POS.

If there was a Video of the brutal attack, BOR and Crump would say well, we don’t know that Zimmerman didn’t say something to enrage Trayvon. They are refusing to see the Evidence clearly before them.

The New York Times buried in their story tonight that George Zimmerman passed a Lie Detection test administered by the Police. Oh, BOR couldn’t be bothered to read that far.

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5 posted on 05/16/2012 6:24:09 PM PDT by AnthonySoprano
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To: PapaNew
Sounds like a reasonable attempt to assess the situation.

Yep, if there's one thing that Crump is, it's reasonable.

6 posted on 05/16/2012 6:24:32 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obviously, O’Reilly said, this new evidence points to a confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman.

Sharp as a cue ball.

8 posted on 05/16/2012 6:27:45 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Maceman
Obviously, O’Reilly said, this new evidence points to a confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman.

"Welcome to the party, pal."

9 posted on 05/16/2012 6:30:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tzar
He doesn’t need to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt when it becomes lawsuit time.

Actually, he just needed George's arrest to file a tort. The tort standard of proof is a preponderance of evidence, a lower standard than reasonable doubt.

11 posted on 05/16/2012 6:33:30 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Tzar

If Mr. O’Mara uses “Stand Your Ground” successfully a lawsuit is not possible. Read it and see.


12 posted on 05/16/2012 6:33:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
O’Reilly still does not get it. He is blind and bias. Trayvon was the aggressor and getting killed was his reward for attempting to kill.
13 posted on 05/16/2012 6:34:54 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Navy Patriot

Yep, if there’s one thing that Crump is, it’s reasonable. He’s reasonably sure his client is black, and the defendant
is white. So he is guilty as charged, let the sentencing begin. Lawsuits to follow! That is reasonable in his mind, not mine!


14 posted on 05/16/2012 6:34:54 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Tzar

“Crump is the family lawyer, not a prosecutor. He doesn’t need to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt when it becomes lawsuit time.”

He doesn’t even need to prove that: In a civil case the standard of proof is by a “Preponderence of the evidence,” not the “Beyond a reasonable doubt” required in a criminal case.


15 posted on 05/16/2012 6:36:04 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl

One of my joys in life is not tagging sarcasm, especially with newbies.


17 posted on 05/16/2012 6:37:55 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Somehow there is some huge piece of evidence missing that disputes everything else that’s come up. Until that evidence is revealed, we must not jump to conclusions. \sarc


18 posted on 05/16/2012 6:39:20 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Tzar

We won’t know that until the trial, which I predict won’t even happen this year.


19 posted on 05/16/2012 6:41:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Tzar
I agree with what you said, but if Zimmerman walks, America burns, it's just that simple. The setup is already complete. Everybody enjoyed "rodney King" until all the deaths and destruction. Then even King said, " Ca....,Ca...., Can't we all just get along?"

IMHO, no,....... we can't. It's not allowed.

20 posted on 05/16/2012 6:43:05 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: Tzar
I agree with what you said, but if Zimmerman walks, America burns, it's just that simple. The setup is already complete. Everybody enjoyed "rodney King" until all the deaths and destruction. Then even King said, " Ca....,Ca...., Can't we all just get along?"

IMHO, no,....... we can't. It's not allowed.

21 posted on 05/16/2012 6:43:17 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: Navy Patriot

You sure throw that newbies title around pretty recklessly.


22 posted on 05/16/2012 6:45:02 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate pragmatists!)
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To: MNDude

A confession by Mr. Zimmerman, in Spanish, that he actually profiled poor little Trayvon?


23 posted on 05/16/2012 6:46:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Randy Larsen

Nuts, you’re right, I read May 16, 2012, and it’s May 16, 2011, my bad. I need glasses, it’s been a year.


24 posted on 05/16/2012 6:58:33 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I am incorrect. You are just fine, it is I who am wrong.

I’ve requested my last post be removed.

It’s been a real bad week.


26 posted on 05/16/2012 7:20:36 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate pragmatists!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He went on to say that if Zimmerman had “stood down,” there’d have been to need for him to “stand his ground”

What's next, muggers suing the victim for not backing down, and therefore forcing the mugger into violence?

-PJ

27 posted on 05/16/2012 7:21:52 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: chuckles

I doubt that there will be any ‘burning of America’.

Sad to say, most blacks who would do the burning follow the racebaiters, and before May rolls around this case will be all but forgotten. The evidence, at worst case, is inconclusive, best case clears Zimmerman 100%, almost makes him a hero.

Racebaiters are being forced to wait for some new situation.


28 posted on 05/16/2012 7:45:03 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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if Zimmerman had “stood down,” there’d have been to need for him to “stand his ground”

Or it was Trayvon that should have stood down - and no need to shoot him.

29 posted on 05/16/2012 8:07:44 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
You are looking at it as a normal person. Try putting your Black Panther hat on and look at it from their side. They have already put a bounty on his head. There is a significant part of America that will say it was "rigged" for "whitey" and start shooting people. I've been watching this for decades now. There was no redeeming value in the original Black Panthers and they bombed stuff anyway and had a significant part of the population follow them. If Zimmerman walks, he will most likely be killed and there will be celebrations. All it takes is one guy to do the deed.

I can't spell the guy's name, but Mumia, or whatever, shot a cop in the head point blank, and there are large numbers of people think he is innocent and want him freed, even today. He hasn't been executed, IMHO, because of the inevitable bloodshed if he is killed. That was decades ago.

Zimmerman is guilty because they said so and it will never change if he is exonerated by 10 courts.

30 posted on 05/16/2012 8:08:41 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: PapaNew

If the trial lawyer believes that the case should not be tried on television, why is he on television, trying the case?


32 posted on 05/17/2012 6:05:52 AM PDT by manforallseasons
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To: Maceman

“Obviously, O’Reilly said, this new evidence points to a confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman.”

No. It was always obvious that there was a “confrontation.” The evidence “points to” the fact that Martin confronted Zimmerman by breaking his nose and beating his head against the sidewalk while Zimmerman screamed for help. There is no evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin or bruised his own knuckles on Martin’s face. No amount of “vetting” the evidence will change the facts.


33 posted on 05/17/2012 6:40:41 AM PDT by manforallseasons
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To: Navy Patriot
“Actually, he just needed George's arrest to file a tort.”

No, with the SYG law Zimmerman has to be bound over for trial before there can be a civil suit. That hasn't happened yet.

The Judge very well could throw out the case for lack of evidence.

34 posted on 05/17/2012 6:59:40 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Send in the clowns ... with apologies to Ted Knight

Find O'Reilly

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35 posted on 05/17/2012 7:23:33 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee; All

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Notice how no one in the mainstream media has come out and stated the obvious - it looks like Zimmerman was attacked and beaten badly.

Instead, it’s - What does this mean? We still don’t know what happened.. This is just a fraction of the evidence.. There are still more questions than answers...

BS... Zimmerman was set upon and pummeled and the medical reports show that.

The Media just refuses to tell the Truth.

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36 posted on 05/17/2012 7:29:43 AM PDT by AnthonySoprano
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Zimmerman has to be bound over for trial before there can be a civil suit

Thank you for the correction. I had thought that an arrest nullified Florida's SYG protection from tort.

This makes Corey's actions that much more reprehensible as she is trying to expose Zimmerman's assets to impoverish him, leaving him unable to pay for a proper defense. Crumps interest in Zimmerman's assets is for seizure not flight while on bail.

37 posted on 05/17/2012 10:01:18 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Navy Patriot
IMO that is the reason she didn't go to a grand jury, she knew they would throw it out. She is hoping she can buffalo a judge into binding him over for trial.

She had several news conferences with the Traytable Martin family standing next to her. She is working for the race pimps. She has to get it to trial so they can sue. They couldn't care less if he gets a not guilty verdict.

38 posted on 05/17/2012 10:11:06 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U
that is the reason she didn't go to a grand jury, she knew they would throw it out.

I agree, a "no bill" would have finished Corey on the spot.

She is hoping she can buffalo a judge into binding him over for trial.

They couldn't care less if he gets a not guilty verdict.

Again I agree, Corey has a much better chance with a pliant judge than she does stacking a jury. A trial may have a change of venue and jury pool, and the tort would more likely be local with a better chance of a cash win.

39 posted on 05/17/2012 10:42:40 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought the message from crump was the doctor may be lying.


40 posted on 05/17/2012 10:55:27 AM PDT by Hulka
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41 posted on 05/17/2012 11:25:51 AM PDT by AnthonySoprano
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and that porcine prosecutor (and FL Attorney General Pam Bondi who appointed her) should be tied to an ant hill

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42 posted on 05/17/2012 1:42:27 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He went on to say that if Zimmerman had “stood down,” there’d have been to need for him to “stand his ground”

This will probably be the crux of the prosecution argument.
It shouldn't make a difference in "Stand your Ground". There's an exception to the exception to Stand Your Ground and Zimmerman fits it to a T.
Zimmerman said he did stand down..i.e. quit following Martin.Stand your Ground
43 posted on 05/17/2012 7:35:32 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)
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