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Ariz. Sec. of State Wants to See Proof of Obama’s Citizenship [Obama Is Not "Natural Born Citizen"!]
ABCNews ^ | May 18, 2012 | Jonathan Karl

Posted on 05/18/2012 2:06:46 PM PDT by Steelfish

May 18, 2012 Jonathan Karl Ariz. Sec. of State Wants to See Proof of Obama’s Citizenship

Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett wants you to know that he is not a birther, but he says he wants proof of Barack Obama’s citizenship before putting his name on the Arizona ballot.

In a radio interview today, Bennett said he is just doing his job of making sure “that those people whose names are on the ballot have met the qualifications for the office they are seeking.” He says he has been trying for eight weeks to get documents from Hawaii.

In a statement just released, Bennett says: “First, I have been on the record since 2009 that I believe the president was born in Hawaii. I am not a birther. At the request of a constituent, I asked the state of Hawaii for a verification in lieu of a certified copy. We’re merely asking them to officially confirm they have the president’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response.”

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: arizona; az; birthcertificate; certifigate; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama

1 posted on 05/18/2012 2:06:51 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

The term “natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution. It is not the same as “citizenship” defined under the 14th Amendment (1868) . The Framers understood this term to mean an individual who is born to both parents who are US citizens. Obama’s Dad was NOT a US citizen.


2 posted on 05/18/2012 2:09:38 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
Sec. of State: Citizen requests require asking for Obama birth verification

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/arizona/politics/article_43041898-a11f-11e1-909e-001a4bcf887a.html

Bennett, who is the state’s chief election official, said he has had multiple requests from constituents to verify the president is a “natural born citizen” and therefore eligible to hold the highest office in the land. Those requests, he said, included that he demand to see the actual birth certificate and even to go to Hawaii to do a forensic examination of it to determine its authenticity.

He said he rejected those requests. But Bennett said he learned that Hawaii has a law which allows that state to do a verification for any officials from other states who have the need.

“I downloaded the form off of Hawaii’s web site, I got a $5 money order and filled it out and basically sent it in,” he explained. “What you’re asking for really is for them to say, yes we have — or do you have — a certificate for Barack Hussein Obama II born on Aug. 4, 1961 to these parents at this place and on and on and on.”

Bennett said if he eventually gets the verification, end of the matter. And if he does not?

“I don’t think it does anyone any good to speculate the worst case scenario,” he said.

“I think Hawaii will, one way or the other ... will confirm or verify that they have a certificate for the president,” Bennett continued. “And it’s done.”

3 posted on 05/18/2012 2:11:14 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Steelfish

Drip, drip, drip......!


4 posted on 05/18/2012 2:11:43 PM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: Steelfish

Cries of racism in 3...2...1


5 posted on 05/18/2012 2:12:31 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Steelfish
I asked the state of Hawaii for a verification in lieu of a certified copy

< underwhelmed >
< better than nothing >

6 posted on 05/18/2012 2:13:49 PM PDT by tomkat (:^)
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To: Steelfish

The term “natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution. It is not the same as “citizenship” defined under the 14th Amendment (1868) . The Framers understood this term to mean an individual who is born to both parents who are US citizens. Obama’s Dad was NOT a US citizen.....

Right you are.

But Hawaii may not have a birth certificate as such. They may only have affidavits to his being born there and can only manufacture a BC on request.

Sort of what is the meaning of is? So they cannot say they have a BC. Thus no response.


7 posted on 05/18/2012 2:14:45 PM PDT by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Steelfish
Little barry bastard commie's presumed dad was not an American citizen, and his mother was not old enough to convey U.S. citizenship upon him if born out of the country, which he was.
8 posted on 05/18/2012 2:16:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Steelfish

"We're merely asking them to officially confirm they have the president’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response."

Sadly ... that sounds like code for "I'll accept whatever lie they hand me without proof to get this hot potato out of my hands".


9 posted on 05/18/2012 2:17:18 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Steelfish
The Arizona Secretary of State should phrase his question to Hawaii more carefully, by asking if Hawaii has a birth certificate that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii to two US citizen parents.

IIRC, Hawaii used to register foreign births so conceivably the state could say they have a birth record for the President on file, but that wouldn't show the president was born in the US or to two citizen parents.

10 posted on 05/18/2012 2:19:15 PM PDT by old republic
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To: so_real

“Officially confirm” would lead the “official confirmer open to legal hell should he/she make a statement later proven false. I doubt anyone will stick their heads in that noose.


11 posted on 05/18/2012 2:21:23 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Steelfish
As I recall, Hawaiian officials have repeatedly said they have the Obama birth certificate. If so, this is a waste of time.

That said, I sure would like to see a state or 2 that refuses to put Obama on the ballot. Just the insult value would please me.

12 posted on 05/18/2012 2:23:06 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Steelfish

It would have been defined in contemporary works if the framers expected it to be clear. Wasn’t it the case that at least for persons born in the colonies of British parents, the child was still subject to some British laws? The framers did not want there to be a president with any such legal obligations to another country.


13 posted on 05/18/2012 2:24:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Hawaii has said before that they have it, so I imagine they will say so again. Worth a try, but he should demand a certified copy.


14 posted on 05/18/2012 2:24:16 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: Steelfish

Apology in 4 3 2 1 .......


15 posted on 05/18/2012 2:24:27 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Hang'emAll

But Hawaii may not have a birth certificate as such. They may only have affidavits to his being born there and can only manufacture a BC on request.

Sort of what is the meaning of is? So they cannot say they have a BC. Thus no response....

Sorry to respond to myself but this ties in with what the Hawaiian Governor said that his birth was written down. That could mean he was born in Kenya but people have sworn he was born in Hawaii.


16 posted on 05/18/2012 2:25:28 PM PDT by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: tomkat

They have made it simple because they already know that HI can’t respond, otherwise they will either get it from the administration for saying “no” or getting in legal hot water for saying “yes” - opening themselves up to prosecution. and don’t forget that it becomes within Sheriff Joe’s jurisdiction if they lie. Next step, all candidates are required to provide a certified BC. Everyone else will do it without problem. Of course they cannot provide the “forged” one. They could be prosecuted for trying to pass off a forgery. They would have to provide another. But then, everyone will wonder what the big deal is. All the other candidates provided proof with ease.

Backed into a corner.


17 posted on 05/18/2012 2:25:28 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Steelfish

Since the state of HI cannot be trusted, they will probably say yes.


18 posted on 05/18/2012 2:25:52 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Norm Lenhart

Hope you are correct ...


19 posted on 05/18/2012 2:26:13 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Suz in AZ

Check and Mate.


20 posted on 05/18/2012 2:27:07 PM PDT by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Well, it’s been eight weeks already and no reply from Hawaii yet.

Here is another thread on the same subject:

Arizona Secretary of State Threatens to Remove Obama from Ballot
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2885248/posts


21 posted on 05/18/2012 2:28:33 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Mister Da

“As I recall, Hawaiian officials have repeatedly said they have the Obama birth certificate. If so, this is a waste of time.”

You forget - they would be providing false information in Sheriff Joe’s jurisdiction. Then he gets standing to go after them.


22 posted on 05/18/2012 2:28:47 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Steelfish

If birth can’t be proved does this mean that Sheriff Joe can apprehend Obama under SB1070 the next time Obama shows up in Arizona?


23 posted on 05/18/2012 2:30:01 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Suz in AZ

Why can’t they say yes? They let Obama parade that fake document all over, while never daring to say “That computer generated forgery is NOT what we gave his courier.” They will just say they have it. AZ needed to ask for a true certified copy.


24 posted on 05/18/2012 2:30:01 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Hang'emAll
So they cannot say they have a BC. Thus no response.

I would think they would at least have to refund the $5.

If they say don't have one, that would be very compelling supporting evidence for the findings of Sheriff Joe's investigation. (Although I find them compelling either way.)

25 posted on 05/18/2012 2:32:31 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Steelfish
How far society has gone, when the thought of a sec. of State following the rule of law is controversial.
26 posted on 05/18/2012 2:33:28 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Yaelle

Do you really think that they would sacrifice themselves for Obama? Especially now that he could lose reelection? The dems would let them hang for it.

Their best option is to do nothing and the ball goes back in Obama’s court and the SoS will then require BCs from everyone.

No BC. No ballot entry. Easy peasy.


27 posted on 05/18/2012 2:34:27 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Suz in AZ
I'd like to have your optimism .. guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to foresee the Republic peacefully ridding itself of this maggøt traitør and his delusional zombie followers.

28 posted on 05/18/2012 2:38:02 PM PDT by tomkat (:^)
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To: SandRat

“If birth can’t be proved does this mean that Sheriff Joe can apprehend Obama under SB1070 the next time Obama shows up in Arizona?”

No. He would have to be picked up for something else, like speeding or shoplifting or some other legit reason first. THEN, they could do a background check if he was suspected to be in the country illegally.


29 posted on 05/18/2012 2:39:10 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Steelfish
... At the request of a constituent, I asked the state of Hawaii for a verification in lieu of a certified copy. We’re merely asking them to officially confirm they have the president’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response.”

That is a really low bar to clear, and the point of the story is HDOH is balking at meeting even that.

30 posted on 05/18/2012 2:39:32 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Hang'emAll
But Hawaii may not have a birth certificate as such. They may only have affidavits to his being born there and can only manufacture a BC on request.

Sort of what is the meaning of is? So they cannot say they have a BC. Thus no response.

This is exactly what I suspect. I think Obama was born in Canada, and Stanley Ann phoned in the fact of his birth to Grandma Dunham who filed an at home birth affidavit.

31 posted on 05/18/2012 2:53:01 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Cyber Liberty
That is a really low bar to clear, and the point of the story is HDOH is balking at meeting even that.

I'm guessing they'll wait as long as possible.

If they wait until the last minute they can still get him on the ballot, and minimize the time available to anyone attempting to mount a challenge before the election.

32 posted on 05/18/2012 2:55:22 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: American in Israel
How far society has gone, when the thought of a sec. of State following the rule of law is controversial.

This!

33 posted on 05/18/2012 3:00:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: tomkat

If this is really a conspiracy, they don’t want to make false submissions or assurances to an agent of elections for Obama that are not true. They all can lie to the public; the public has no standing in any court of law. Not so with the Secretary of State for Arizona. He has standing to qualify candidates.

They don’t know what Sheriff Joe has found on Obama and they don’t want to comit a crime. They will ignore the request.

What will probably happen is that Hawaii won’t respond and the SOS will put Obama on the ballot because he’s “not a birther” and has no proof Obammy is not qualified. But like I said, who knows what else Sherrif Joe will find.


34 posted on 05/18/2012 3:00:59 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Steelfish

Ken Bennett will soon be under investigation by the FBI, CIA, UN, NAACP, ACLU, IRS, MI5,MI6...et al.

MSM Headline: Ken Bennett...Racist!


35 posted on 05/18/2012 3:01:21 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: PoloSec

if I were Ken Bennett I’d be more worried about ending up being “Ft. Marcy Parked”.........


36 posted on 05/18/2012 3:23:13 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Suz in AZ
I realize this may be some clever legal gambit, but in the past, Hawaii has rebuffed every attempt to publicize Obama’s Long Form Birth Certificate. If they have broken any laws in this effort, they have certainly been successful in avoiding prosecution, or even legal serious scrutiny. I seriously doubt Hawaii is the least bit concerned about Arizona wants.

Bottom line in our nation of men, not laws: Hawaii will do what it pleases, & to h#(( with sheriff Joe & Arizona.

37 posted on 05/18/2012 3:24:15 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Steelfish

Hurrah AZ! Don’t give in on this one.


38 posted on 05/18/2012 4:05:44 PM PDT by veracious
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To: Steelfish

The media will never report that which is why the Kenyan is able to get away with it. What I would be curious about is if the INS keeps records of every immigrant going back 50 years or if they keep records at all and see if a B. Hussien Obama came in on a student visa. And what about his social security number? When was that issued? What is the record on that? Then you got school records etc etc... I mention all this because all it takes is ONE government document showing him to be a foreigner and it will be all over for Barry.


39 posted on 05/18/2012 4:07:55 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Suz in AZ
You have to admit though, Barry in pink Fruit-of-the-Looms, shaved head, sleeping on a surplus Army cot, in a GP Large surplus Army tent, in the middle of AZ, in Joe's Jail is a pleasing thought.
40 posted on 05/18/2012 4:19:13 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

“If birth can’t be proved does this mean that Sheriff Joe can apprehend Obama under SB1070 the next time Obama shows up in Arizona?”

Serious:
If I understand the law correctly (based only on what I’ve heard others say about the law), law enforcement could legally inquire as to a detainee’s immigration status if said detainee was stopped or arrested for some reason other than being suspected of being an illegal alien. Then, if an illegal, law enforcement is tasked only to notify INS for whatever action is required under federal immigration laws (i.e. initiation of deportation proceedings, etc.)

Not so serious:
So, under your scenario I suppose Arizona law enforcement could attempt to take Obama into detention in order to give them time to contact INS. There would be a standoff between them and the Secret Service personnel and news helicopters would provide footage and everyone could watch the drama unfold.

This could take, say, 10 minutes while Obama is sitting in the Presidential limo. After shaking hands with the gathering throng, kissing a few babies and making an impromptu speech about the runaway, rogue “cops” in Arizona. This would take 15 more minutes, all the while his staff is drawing up a generic, all-encompassing presidential pardon, pardoning himself for all crimes he may or may not have committed over the 24 preceding hours.

In about 45 minutes total, Obama would be back on his way to Taco Bell, and the media would have a field day with it all for the next 5 months or so. Books would be written, movies made and everyone would have something interesting to talk about around the water coolers throughout the nation.

Semi-serious:
Oh, and Holder would be tasked to sue Arizona yet again for violating federal civil rights laws involving racial profiling of the first Black POTUS.


41 posted on 05/18/2012 4:20:47 PM PDT by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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To: PoloSec

Ken Bennett will soon be under investigation by the FBI, CIA, UN, NAACP, ACLU, IRS, MI5,MI6...et al.


Ken Bennett will soon expire while walking home from a local establishment after having a drink with an unknown person....


42 posted on 05/18/2012 4:24:09 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Steelfish

Hussein could fly out his attorney on taxpayer expense with that photoshopped BC.


43 posted on 05/18/2012 4:28:48 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Steelfish
Obama's official bio, 1992:

Obama's official bio, 1998:


Obama's official bio, 2007:

Make sure all of these Dystel images are copied and pasted ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE.

44 posted on 05/18/2012 4:33:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Framers relied on Vattel for definition of natural born citizen. BOTH parents in Vattel’s Treatise on International Law had to be citizens.


45 posted on 05/18/2012 5:12:58 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

obumpa


46 posted on 05/18/2012 6:01:57 PM PDT by Dajjal ("I'm not concerned about the very poor." -- severely conservative Mitt 'Etch-A-Sketch' Rmoney)
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To: Steelfish

If Ken Bennett wants to see Obama’s birth certificate, let him watch www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN8GWqsodYA and then e-mail attorney@stephenpidgeon.com or communicate the old-fashioned way:
Old Federal Building
3002 Colby Avenue, Suite 306
Everett, Washington 98201
(425) 605-4774 (tel)
425)818-5371 (fax)
stephen.pidgeon@comcast.net

Mr. Pidgeon found that BHO had a name change from Barak Mounir Ubayd to Barack Hussein Obama, in Skookumchuck, Canada in 1982. How could Obama be born in Hawaii and have a name change in the Canadian Rockies? Do you think that the Ayers family which was sponsoring Obama as a foreign student chose Skookumchuck because they thought nobody would every find it? Open up your eyes, America!


47 posted on 05/21/2012 7:48:13 AM PDT by gethimoutofthehouse
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To: Steelfish

You can send Ken Bennett a comment at the Contact Us link at www.azsos.gov/info/bio.htm.


48 posted on 05/21/2012 8:52:48 AM PDT by gethimoutofthehouse
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