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California-based Apple to build $210-million new manufacturing plant. In China
Orange Punch the political commentary blog of the Orange County Register ^ | 5-21-2012 | Mark Landsbaum

Posted on 05/21/2012 11:42:44 AM PDT by Mark Landsbaum

Gov. Jerry Brown and the Democratic Party-controlled state Legislature and the army of bureaucrats and tax collectors doing their bidding have triumphed again. California-based Apple Computer will build a spanking new, $210-million manufacturing plant.

In China.

Is anyone surprised? The corporate tax rate in California is horrendous, the workforce is taxed worse than the corporations, the cost of living is off the charts thanks in large part to the costly burdens added by government regulations and housing, well, you know how that compares for California versus the rest of the world...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Travel
KEYWORDS: apple; blogpimp; california; china; costs; jerrybrown; ntsa; regulation; taxes
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1 posted on 05/21/2012 11:42:58 AM PDT by Mark Landsbaum
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To: Mark Landsbaum

Well, NLRB... let’s see you try to stand in the way of THIS one.


2 posted on 05/21/2012 11:45:04 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

Poll at this link badly needs Freeping!


3 posted on 05/21/2012 11:48:44 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

China is insisting that firms that want to use China’s rare earth metals produce their products in China instead of just exporting the raw materials to be finished elsewhere.

Arguably, this makes sense to a country that has a historically justifiable reason to be sensistive to colonial mercantilism. But in this case I believe it has more to do with China trying to steal tech from the West.


4 posted on 05/21/2012 11:48:53 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

Why not? Apple would have to be out of their freaking minds to even think about putting a manufacturing plant in California. They’d do better just flushing the profits down the drain if they had a high-dollar plant there with (ugh!) Unionized California employees. They would end up so far in the hole it wouldn’t be funny.


5 posted on 05/21/2012 11:49:03 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MeganC
China trying to steal tech from the West.

As opposed to the US government trying to steal wealth from the country's productive citizens?

6 posted on 05/21/2012 11:50:57 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

My understanding is that Foxconn, not Apple is building the plant, though the plant will be dedicated to Apple mobile devices.


7 posted on 05/21/2012 11:51:50 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

The other thing to note is that Apple has billions upon billions of dollars in foreign-earned profit that they cannot bring back to the U.S. without confiscatory taxes. So, they’ve got to do something with it outside the U.S., such as building manufacturing plants.


8 posted on 05/21/2012 11:52:31 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

Ol Jer got a fortune cookie in the mail. It read

“Go suck a California lemon you stupid shirt”


9 posted on 05/21/2012 11:54:00 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Gaffer

Not to mention the cost of capital caught up in likely delays because of spurious lawsuits for one cause or another.


10 posted on 05/21/2012 11:55:03 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: ScottinVA

California real estate is WAY too expensive to be sullying it with manufacturing plants....

Besides, to get a reliable stream of employee recruits, China has SCADS of smart, diligent college grads who will work at entry-level wages. No American college graduate is willing to start at entry-level wages, mostly because there is already a $100,000 mortgage against future earning power.


11 posted on 05/21/2012 11:59:36 AM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: ScottinVA

California real estate is WAY too expensive to be sullying it with manufacturing plants....

Besides, to get a reliable stream of employee recruits, China has SCADS of smart, diligent college grads who will work at entry-level wages. No American college graduate is willing to start at entry-level wages, mostly because there is already a $100,000 mortgage against future earning power.


12 posted on 05/21/2012 11:59:49 AM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
My understanding is that Foxconn, not Apple is building the plant, though the plant will be dedicated to Apple mobile devices.

You are correct. There is NO WAY Apple would ever want to have 10,000 direct employees in China

13 posted on 05/21/2012 12:02:05 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Dr. Sivana

That’s the free traitor way to obfuscate the fact that Apple uses slave labor to build their products.


14 posted on 05/21/2012 12:02:45 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Gaffer

There are 23 RTW states that would have been happy to have that plant. I really don’t think the China va California was the only choice. Apple has been paid off by the ChiComs, Apples are red for a reason. And I am an avid Mac user.


15 posted on 05/21/2012 12:04:49 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

Import Tariff.
Easy solution for un-American companies!


16 posted on 05/21/2012 12:05:44 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: central_va

You have to realize that it would be hard to claim that the profits were not from a US-based income if they went to a RTW state. Apple likely has its foreign manufacturing plants under another entity rather from the so-called “California-Based Apple”. No one said its liberal founders were stupid.


17 posted on 05/21/2012 12:08:08 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: central_va
There are 23 RTW states that would have been happy to have that plant.

Right you are. It would be nice if one of those governors pressured Apple as to why their state wasn't chosen. I'd like to know myself.

It could be a "teachable moment" for the whole country.

18 posted on 05/21/2012 12:10:42 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: alloysteel

So they opt to not work at all? Your comment makes no sense.


19 posted on 05/21/2012 12:11:26 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: 9422WMR
Import Tariff. Easy solution for un-American companies!

Worth repeating. If the democrats want to tax expat companies I cannot think of a better way. I can't say I would fault the democrats either. And no this DOES NOT make me pro Union. Only 7% of the workforce is unionized and declining. This is about american jobs and national security.

They(Apple et al) are free to get in bed with ChiComs and we are free to tariff them. The problem is both parties have been paid off by the ChiComs so tariffs are never going to happen. Yes it is a conspiracy.

20 posted on 05/21/2012 12:14:59 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 9422WMR

Its complicated by the GATT, WTO and all the anti American trade ‘agreements’ put into place by free traitorous politicians. Add that to the fact that State governors mock the constitution and work out agreements with foreign government. Schwarzenegger and Brown acted unconstitutionally and have signed many MOUs and agreements with China sending California’s wealth to the communists. This includes the tax dollars fraudulently obtained from citizens which are then shuffled off to the chinese communists for their use. The bullet train is a fine example of state tax monies funding foreign enterprise.

“free trade” agreements are designed to destroy the constitutional tariff system the founders provided to the citizens of this country.


21 posted on 05/21/2012 12:21:34 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

I did not say that recent college graduates would not work at all, only that they were RELUCTANT to work at entry-level wages. Times being what they are and all, some of them will take the entry-level wages.

But many of the rest are bypassing opportunities because they aren’t getting on the fast track right away, and those are the ones that opt to become “professional students”, educating themsleves into middle age with trivial degrees. And racking up ever higher and higher student loan balances.

What the US needs is a lot more STEM (science-technical-engineering-mathematical) degrees, and not the make-work pieces of wallpaper handed out in lieu of real accomplishments in learning.


22 posted on 05/21/2012 12:23:19 PM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: central_va

“free trade” agreements negate the ability for American citizens to impose tariffs. Congress has really covered their butts on this one because they just abdicate their responsibility to the trade representative and the WTO.

All our politicians have so many ‘investments’ in China they will do NOTHING to interfere with them.


23 posted on 05/21/2012 12:24:46 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: MeganC

There is a rare earth mine in California due to open shortly after expansion.


24 posted on 05/21/2012 12:36:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Mark Landsbaum
based Apple Computer will build a spanking new, $210-million manufacturing plant. In China.

Apple would it hurt you to PUT AQMERICANS to work?? the cost of Labor in China is not as cheap as it was.

25 posted on 05/21/2012 12:39:11 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: Mark Landsbaum
So they're moving everything to Siricon Varrey?
26 posted on 05/21/2012 1:08:45 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Slave labor? I see. so these poor slaves are being forced against their will to take jobs they don’t want. Are you sure you’re in the right place? There are some other forums out there where and lots of similar tripe will and does fly all the time.


27 posted on 05/21/2012 1:30:44 PM PDT by fire and forget
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To: hedgetrimmer

Slave labor? I see. so these poor slaves are being forced against their will to take jobs they don’t want. Are you sure you’re in the right place? There are some other forums out there where and lots of similar tripe will and does fly all the time.


28 posted on 05/21/2012 1:30:44 PM PDT by fire and forget
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To: Mark Landsbaum

How does the poster child for liberalism and the 99% get away with charging exorbitant prices, paying their workers a pittance in their stores, outsourcing a huge amount of their labor and still retain the image of an Occupy Wallstreeter with deodorant?

You would expect all their executives to be hanging by their heels off the Oakland Bay Bridge after having their bodies dragged through the streets of Cupertino by mobs of tweeting college rabble rousers


29 posted on 05/21/2012 2:23:07 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: fire and forget

Yes, slave labor.


30 posted on 05/21/2012 2:55:51 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
That’s the free traitor way to obfuscate the fact that Apple uses slave labor to build their products.

Heh. Gotta love how you big-government types think that Washington can make everything "fair." Who are the traitors?

31 posted on 05/21/2012 4:43:06 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Yes, slave labor.

Do you have any evidence that was not fabricated by a now admitted liar for his play? You do know your claims have been investigated and shot down multiple times by international civil rights and labor rights organizations and that thousands of applicants line up to apply for the jobs working on the Apple assembly lines as opposed to the lines making the other products that Honhai and Foxconn manufacture under contract for many other consumer electronics companies, because they are PAID MORE and get better benefits on the Apple lines! So I challenge you to provide YOUR evidence.

32 posted on 05/21/2012 9:11:05 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Mark Landsbaum; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; ...
 Misleading headline untruthfully claims Apple is building a factory in China...NO, Foxconn, a CHINESE company, is building the factory in China, to manufacture products under contract for Apple... Another kettle of fish entirely from what the headline claims and changes the whole thrust of the criticism of this propaganda article! —PING!


Apple jobs creation Ping!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!
Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

33 posted on 05/21/2012 9:18:59 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Mark Landsbaum
My understanding is that Foxconn, not Apple is building the plant, though the plant will be dedicated to Apple mobile devices.

That sounds about right but the plant will be much larger than $210-million. More like a billion (my intuitive guess). Apple want to keep the numbers on the down low for tax and PR reasons. 
Foxconn does the real greasy work. Faggy Apple guys in Cupertino California are in charge of hype, advertising and distribution and getting the herd to vote for Obama

34 posted on 05/21/2012 10:04:34 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: ExCTCitizen

It’s not just about cost.

One example: These plants are huge and employ tens of thousands of people who live in dorms right next to the plants. One night, Apple modified the design of the next iPhone. In order to not have it cause a delay in production, the company roused something like ten thousand plus workers in the middle of the night, fed them tea and biscuits, and sent them to work (paid, of course). The schedule was kept.

Can you imagine this happening in America these days? The union, the NLRB, everybody would be all over that company.

You may have heard regulations are to keep work hours below 60 hours per week. This is actually pissing off the workers. The vast majority don’t consider Foxconn a career. They’re mostly from the poor outlying districts of China. They come to Foxconn to work their asses off for a few years making as much as possible so they can go back home with a good nest egg. They WANT that 80+ hour work week so they can go back sooner.

Imagine that in the US at that scale. Not happening. Well, maybe if we granted two-year work visas to any Mexican who wants it, and keep the unions and NLRB light-years away.

I had a summer job in high-school, 3 days of a 12-hour shift and one day of four hours, every week. This meant the maximum 40 hours. I had one goal that summer, to make as much money as possible to afford what I wanted at the end. I didn’t have other plans, and biking to work and the job itself were doing good for my physique. I wanted to work that 12-hour shift six days a week, but that damn 40 hour legal limit just about halved my potential take for the summer. I understand how these workers feel. I had to buss tables and wash dishes into the school year to afford what I wanted, meaning the child labor laws really worked opposite their intent, taking my time during school days instead of letting me use free summer hours.


35 posted on 05/21/2012 10:40:30 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: BfloGuy

Where did your insult, ‘big government types’ come from?

I correctly identify a communist slave labor system as a means of production and I’m a big government type? Ha ha.

Don’t you believe in elected government? I guess not, because a communist party doesn’t need elections for their power.

The list of traitors is very long. You could start with the corruption of the transnational corporation contributing to political campaigns, which has literally wiped out individual rights and sovereignty in the nation.

Every corrupt lying politician who claims the US is ‘interdependent’ is a traitor. That includes Bush I Clinton Bush II and Obama. It includes all the members of the house and senate who invest in communist countries like China, then pass laws that hobble us but make their overseas money grow.

It is not fair for a free people to make communist dictators wealthy, nor to empower them with US tax dollars for their infrastructure improvements so transnational corporations can do business there.

There is nothing ‘fair’ or Constitutional about the ‘free trade’ system, or the free traitors who run it.


36 posted on 05/22/2012 9:46:57 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: antiRepublicrat

You know, when people work 80 hour shifts and live in dormitories owned by the company they work for, pay rent to the company they work for, and most assuredly pay for the food they eat on shift to the company they work for, how much of those wages are truly theirs?

This is slavery where you have to pay the boss rent!

When you work 80 hour shifts in this country, and in the software industry you can work for months without a day off, with no extra pay for it, you don’t have time to participate self governance. How do you go to a school board meeting, or a city council meeting when you work those hours? How do you raise your children if you’re an absentee parent always at ‘work’?

The globalists find this lifestyle for the lowly wage earner very appealing. It takes pesky individualists out of the process so that they can corrupt and ruin our constitutional government without opposition. They can turn our schools into communist indoctrination camps, and parents, always at work, have no power to stop them. Why do people like you defend this?


37 posted on 05/22/2012 10:50:21 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: alloysteel

What do you mean? There’s two giant manufacturing plants right next to each other that are state of the art, and should be free, because they’ve already been paid for by the tax payer. Call Tesla or Solyndra. They’re beautiful landscaped properties with loads of first world amenities.

Oh and by the way, California has loads of smart people who know how to work. We started the software industry here, doncha know.

We could do a lot more, if the traitorous globalists in our government would stop selling our state out to foreign interests.


38 posted on 05/22/2012 10:55:04 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: dennisw
That sounds about right but the plant will be much larger than $210-million. More like a billion (my intuitive guess). Apple want to keep the numbers on the down low for tax and PR reasons. Foxconn does the real greasy work. Faggy Apple guys in Cupertino California are in charge of hype, advertising and distribution and getting the herd to vote for Obama

More total mis and disinformation from you, Dennis... go away.

39 posted on 05/22/2012 10:57:20 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker
Oooh international civil rights and labor groups!

There's cred for you!

Are they more honest than the UN skimming the money off the oil tanker the US Navy caught during the Iraq oil embargo? They probably get their own payoff, and there's no way to fact check them.

I guess you're one of those 'interdependence' people that Bush Clinton Bush Obama claim for this country.
40 posted on 05/22/2012 11:00:13 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Swordmaker; dennisw

I didn’t see any errors in those comments by dennisw.

What specifically do you find in error?


41 posted on 05/22/2012 11:04:13 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Swordmaker

Cuppertino is an Empire of Lies
Total???? That is most definitely a new billion dollar Foxcomm plant not that frivolous bullshyte PR of 210 million. That one is worth a hearty laugh.

BTW I had not priced Apple laptops for a while but did so for a relative. I’m amazed Apple Store can find enough mind numbed stooges to pay $1799 for a 15.4” laptop with measly 4gb ram not even 6 or 8 which these days costs only 20 and 40 dollars more. You Apple promo guys should be embarrassed being affiliated with such thieves

While an Acer with B940 dual core and 6gb ram goes for $379. And don’t waste time on BSing me, those specs are perfect for 90% of laptop buyers.


42 posted on 05/22/2012 11:14:30 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
...goes for $379

But then you'd have to use it.

43 posted on 05/22/2012 11:20:15 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Apple does some of its own R&D in California and Asia meaning people getting paychecks signed by Apple’s gay maestro Tim Cook. The Taiwanese do most of it plus the engineering. My educated guess is Apple does 30% of its R&D and engineering in house while 70% is done by planetary microcircuit geniuses the Taiwanese. That 70% is farmed out to various Taiwan firms with Foxcomm being the largest particpant

Production is done in Mainland China in the Foxconn factory. Foxconn is a Taiwanese outfit with plants in Communist China. The brain work is done in Taiwan


44 posted on 05/22/2012 11:25:49 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Mark Landsbaum

Well, that’s where the supply chain is.

There’s a lot more to having a factory than just the factory. You have to be able to get all the parts where needed in a very short time, and be able to make corrections at one factory without shutting down another.

Say one tiny screw is flawed. For whatever reason, it must be redesigned, remanufactured, and redelivered - by the millions. You don’t make the screws in-house, you buy ‘em from another factory. What happens? The new iPhone factory, for most practical purposes, _shuts_down_ because they can’t keep making iPhones with flawed screws. In China, the proximity and interaction of those factories is such that they can be churning out new screws and have ‘em delivered in a few hours. In California, that new factory may be halted for days or weeks because those screws are - tada - made in China. Keeping just-in-time inventory in mind, the consequences of such a delay for such a “minor” component are staggering.

Not sayin’ it’s a good thing. Just sayin’ that’s what is. You can build a new factory in California, but churning high-complexity stuff out fast enough - given that it’s all built from stuff made in other factories, much of which is in turn from other factories - just can’t compete when most of the parts come from across the ocean. CA drove out the manufacturing infrastructure; getting upset that a new high-tech factory isn’t built there misses huge points.


45 posted on 05/22/2012 11:31:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: ctdonath2

Acer B940 laptop w 6gb ram @$379 gets 16 good reviews at NewEgg but if you are addicted to shoddy overwrought over-hyped hardware from Cupertino/China then be my guest


46 posted on 05/22/2012 11:37:26 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

McDonalds hamburgers are popular too. Doesn’t mean a nice bison steak at Ted’s is “overwrought over-hyped”.


47 posted on 05/22/2012 11:43:14 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: ctdonath2

I take exception to your remark that California drove out manufacturing.

It really was the federal government that has done this, aided and abetted by globalist governors like Jerry Brown and Arnold Scharzenegger who make big money from their associations with Indonesian and Chinese dictators, for selling off California’s assets and contracts to the communists.

The federal government set into motion the corruption of the rule of law and the US Constitution with ‘free trade’ and executive orders forcing ‘harmonization’ throughout the government with international governmental agencies.

Corrupt state officials wholeheartedly jumped on the bandwagon following massive campaigns to corrupt local government by foreign governments (mexicos ‘embassies’ scattered every in the country) and international governmental bodies like ICLEI wining and dining local government officials at ‘confereneces’ where everything is ‘free’ and the agendas and programs are private so citizens don’t know what their elected officials are up to.

The federal government turns a blind eye to the unconstitutional actions of state governors, who essentially are treaty making with foreign governments, because they too are ‘investors’ in communism and slave labor abroad.


48 posted on 05/22/2012 11:44:59 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Pardon me for not including similar problems in other jurisdictions not included in the discussion.


49 posted on 05/22/2012 11:47:18 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: ctdonath2

It’s a mess that’s for sure!


50 posted on 05/22/2012 12:13:48 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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