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Self | 5/21/'12 | Zionist Conspirator

Posted on 05/21/2012 6:12:05 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

Last year our little household was forced to move from its home of 28 years to a new one. One thing we're having to deal with now that we've never had to worry about before is neighbors.

We have cats. Two of them are fairly settled, but one (the sweetest one of course) is a little spitfire who enjoys going to the neighbor's house and getting on his cars. One of these cars is very rare (only so many were made), and apparently this little cat has been getting on it.

Now our neighbor has no desire to be unpleasant or demanding, but he has told me that he has a live trap set for the cat and will only return it to us once. He will not harm it (or any animal, since he is an animal lover himself) but has said on catching him the second time in the trap he will simply carry him off.

You may perhaps imagine what this did to my day.

I am at my wit's end. The little fellow is running all over the house now crying and we're afraid to let him out. We're afraid to let the other two out to make him feel worse. I've offered the man a tarp to cover his car but he says a tarp can damage a car as well.

What do we do? It would take time and a great deal of expense to build a fence, and even then the cat could simply go around it. Keeping him in the house is the simplest solution, but it's very painful to hear him begging to be let out. I have no idea why he insists on going over there and getting on that car when he has a front and back yard (and a car) here.

I've been doing some research online about keeping cats off cars and have read conflicting claims as to whether cats can even scratch a car at all. I've read that citrus odor will keep them off a car.

Does any FReeper have any advice as to how our neighbor (who has never caused us any trouble whatsoever) can keep our cat off this particular car and solve this problem? Right now I am terribly upset.

Please help if you can.


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1 posted on 05/21/2012 6:12:06 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Try giving the cat something high and defensible to lay on that is on the side of your house facing the neighbor’s house. Cats like cars because they are high, with no obstructions, easy to defend, and the metal is comfortable at night.


2 posted on 05/21/2012 6:16:19 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I've been doing some research online about keeping cats off cars and have read conflicting claims as to whether cats can even scratch a car at all. I've read that citrus odor will keep them off a car.

The solution seems straightforward: spray lemon juice all over the car.

3 posted on 05/21/2012 6:17:10 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Not to be rude, but....its your responsibilty to keep your cat off the neighbors car, not his. Communities have leash laws, and they apply apply to cats as well as dogs. Best advice, keep the animal inside (or get rid of him), and keep the peace with your neighbor.....red


4 posted on 05/21/2012 6:18:39 PM PDT by rednek ("Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Maybe a kitty kennel the bigger the better. Lots of large potted plants inside.


5 posted on 05/21/2012 6:19:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Invisible fence??


6 posted on 05/21/2012 6:19:44 PM PDT by yankee turned redneck
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The only option I can think is to declaw the cat. They put the cat under and remove the claws entirely. But maybe then it’s no good to have a cat like that outside as it might get into a fight and couldn’t defend itself?

Probably that option is anaethemic to you anyway, since you are probably pretty angry at your neighbor for his threat that he would steal your cat.

I would imagine carrying the cat off would be illegal. I see his point, but I still think it would be illegal of him to steal your cat.


7 posted on 05/21/2012 6:20:27 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Anti-freeze or a .22... that was a joke. Lighten up. Talk to your neighbor and be honest if your feelings..


8 posted on 05/21/2012 6:20:52 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Zionist Conspirator

..he doesn’t sound like he cares that much about the car if he parks it outside uncovered....paint a big dog on the side of it!


9 posted on 05/21/2012 6:21:08 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Bryanw92
Try giving the cat something high and defensible to lay on that is on the side of your house facing the neighbor’s house. Cats like cars because they are high, with no obstructions, easy to defend, and the metal is comfortable at night.

I have a car he is perfectly welcome to lie on as much as he wants to. But no, he wants to get on the neighbor's cars.

10 posted on 05/21/2012 6:21:36 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Also I think if he wants a perfect car, he should keep it in a garage. Cats exist outside, unless they are banned by law or the condo association. And yes, they climb on things.

Cars are tools, not art. If he has art he wants to preserve, maybe he should pay the right cost for that preservation, rather than expect to steal neighbor cats as a cheap solution


11 posted on 05/21/2012 6:22:26 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Are you serious? Satire, right?

Keep your cat on your own property. You know that.


12 posted on 05/21/2012 6:22:33 PM PDT by Jedidah ("In those days Israel had no king. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Invisible Fence:

http://www.invisiblefence.com/

Your kitten won’t think twice about running to your neighbor’s—especially since the collar will be too heavy...


13 posted on 05/21/2012 6:23:01 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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Keep your cat inside if you love it. They could disappear in a heartbeat outside. Is that not something you've considered.

We have cats who have never been outdoors, save trips to the vet as needed. They don't get fleas or worms and they love soaking up the sunshine on the window sill. They watch hummingbirds and we have no problem with them trying to get outside.

14 posted on 05/21/2012 6:23:05 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: rednek

>>Not to be rude, but....its your responsibilty...

That’s probably why he’s asking what he can do to keep his cat off the neighbor’s car.


15 posted on 05/21/2012 6:23:17 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Tell your neighbor to do what normal folks do - buy a tarp in order to protect his car from wildlife and the elements. And that if your cat ever goes missing, he’s likely to see a lot more wildlife in the area, as you will fill the void of your missing cat by feeding pidgeons, squirrels and other critters which will miraculously find their way onto your property, and on a windy day, some of their food may find its way onto his car.


16 posted on 05/21/2012 6:23:38 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: Doogle
he doesn’t sound like he cares that much about the car if he parks it outside uncovered

The car is under one of those portable carports.

He has already rejected the idea of using a tarp.

17 posted on 05/21/2012 6:24:17 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I doubt your going to have any success discouraging the cat from getting on the car. If the car is that special, I’m surprised it isn’t kept in a garage.

I think your only option is to keep kitties indoors from now on. I know that won’t make for a happy household. Ours go in & out at will, & winters (which are wet) are a real trial to all of us, as they are constantly asking for attention since they can’t entertain themselves outside. But lots of toys & games makes it easier - just like dealing with a bunch of little kids.


18 posted on 05/21/2012 6:24:27 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
cripplecreek has the idea....they have those open air cat veranda's
19 posted on 05/21/2012 6:25:23 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

First of all, you’re right. I won’t do it. Second, that’s not going to solve the muddy footprints.


21 posted on 05/21/2012 6:25:27 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Cats don’t sharpen their claws on the smooth surface of a car, so if your neighbor’s car is getting scratches on it, this is not due to your cat. Frankly, I wonder why he doesn’t put this rare car in his garage, if he values it so damn much. Outside, much worse things can happen to it than tiny scratches or pawprints. Squirrels, possums, coons, wild rats, birds, and other animals that don’t have retractable claws are much more likely to cause damage to a car’s finish than a cat.

But he has now issued a specific and clear threat to the life of your cat. If someone threatened one of my animals that way, and the animal then went missing, the car would—oopsies!—suddenly end up with far worse damage than muddy pawprints. I have no wish to be unpleasant either, but a living creature is more important than pawprints.

With all that, the fact is that your kitty will live a lot longer if kept inside. No chance to pick up parasites, get into fights with other cats, get eaten by coyotes or dogs, get hit by cars, or get carried off by a vicious neighbor. I’ve learned my lesson on that score.


22 posted on 05/21/2012 6:25:44 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Cats do, indeed, despise the smell of citrus. I have used orange peels to keep cats out of the garden (where they liked to potty), but it only works so well, and only for so long.

Cats can indeed scratch up a car (as a youth, ours scratched up my dad’s station wagon). The biggest issue that you have is that you’ve got to control your animal, and you cannot do that while it roams freely. An electric collar may work on the cat, but I’m not certain of that, because I’ve only known them for dogs. In my area they run just over $100. The only safe bet that I know you have is to keep the cat indoors.

I think that you should be very, very, grateful to have such a compromising and congenial neighbor. Make sure that you thank him for being so polite and kind. Your cat, is, after all, infringing upon his property rights, and you are a new comer. It sounds like you’re trying to be responsible, and I’m sure that he appreciates that. But the truth is, that your safest bet is to keep the cat indoors, all the time.


23 posted on 05/21/2012 6:25:56 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

If you have a fenced yard, put it out on a harness (not a collar) and a clothesline. I had a semi-feral cat that was not happy at first, but quickly came to appreciate the opportunity to go out on the line. Anchor the line in the middle of the yard, short enough so it can’t hang itself over any fences, and provide shade and some water if you are going to leave it out more than an hour or so at a time. Provide it something to hide in, as well.

No fence? Put it out only when you can supervise.

Otherwise, make it into a house cat. The cat will punish you, but it’s better than losing your kitty.


24 posted on 05/21/2012 6:26:26 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: rednek; Zionist Conspirator

>>Communities have leash laws, and they apply apply to cats as well as dogs.<

Think again.
Most leash laws DO NOT apply to cats.

ZC, a fence won’t work but an outdoor cat run will.
I’ve known lots of kitty owners who have gotten these and their feline friends are happy and content to be outside, without being in anyone else’s yard.

http://www.cats-on-line.com/


25 posted on 05/21/2012 6:26:31 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Buy your neighbors car for whatever price it takes for him to sell it, and give it to your cat.


26 posted on 05/21/2012 6:26:31 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The cat probably likes the warmth of the engine heat off the hood.
You can train a cat to be on a leash, usually cloth, and not a chain.
But it's not easy, and it takes time.
It must be started inside the house, and depending on the age of the cat, it may take a long time.
Once you're done with the training, the cat can go out on a long leash, provided you make him a place to get out of the rain, and away from large dogs,
and provide him with a litter box that he can get to while outside.
27 posted on 05/21/2012 6:27:29 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Jedidah
Keep your cat on your own property. You know that.

Apparently you are unaware of the fact that cats don't understand the concept of human property lines.

28 posted on 05/21/2012 6:27:43 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

That’s why I’d put something as close to the neighbor’s car as possible for the cat to choose to lay on. Of course, if the cat figures out that you want him there, he’ll never touch it. That’s just how they roll.

I would ask the neighbor why his uber-valuable “collectible” car sits in the driveway.

But if the cat persists, something bad will happen, so the cat might have to learn to live indoors. I built a screen room on the back of my house for my cats. They get to go outside without really going anywhere. That may require declawing to save the screens.


29 posted on 05/21/2012 6:28:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Not trying to get personal, but your pet is your personal responsibility.

I have 3 big shepherds, and no fencing on my property. The only time any of them have left our property without my express permission is to stick themselves between a neighbor kid and a stranger on our street (and the parents are grateful for it).

If your kitty is causing problems with your neighbor, it is your problem. Lock it up indoors - it’s not your neighbor’s fault your cat finds his car irresistable. And it’s not his problem to deal with.

I imagine a neighbor telling me to spray citrus or lemon all over my vehicle to keep their straying pet off it. I’d give them the same response i’m telling you now - “It ain’t my problem, it’s yours. and it’ll be a bigger problem when Hello Kitty doesn’t come home because I’ve plinked her furry butt off my collectible car”

Sorry, people who let their pets roam at will piss me off, and I’ve had cats all my life.

Call your vet for tips on keeping your pet entertained indoors or on your own cockadoodie property, where it belongs.


30 posted on 05/21/2012 6:30:22 PM PDT by LadyBuck (In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher')
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To: Doogle

I’d build a 10x10 screen house for the cat. Large potted plants, something for the cat to lay on in the sun. He’ll be outside but contained.


31 posted on 05/21/2012 6:31:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: PAR35; Zionist Conspirator

I would not put a cat on a line unless it was fenced in - a great BIG fence. My sister had a cat that was hit by a car. Her next cat she decided to protect from the same fate by tying it on a string so that it could enjoy a deck (up a long flight of stairs). Somehow 3 dogs got into the yard, ran up the stairs & eviscerated the cat.

Your cat has to be able to escape or get shelter if it’s outside. Best option is still becoming an indoor kitty.


32 posted on 05/21/2012 6:34:41 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: cripplecreek
Some years back I bought a used dog run made of chain link and also on the top. Well good thing I was watching because one cat got her head through the top chain link and almost strangled. That was the end of that.

In the summers, I used to put the cats out in the garage. A couple windows were out, so I put up chicken wire. That worked pretty well. Maybe you live in a milder area where there are no garages but just car ports.

It is your responsibility to keep the cat out of your neighbor's territory but still. If he values the car that much, there's plenty of other things that can happen to it if he doesn't keep it in a locked garage.

33 posted on 05/21/2012 6:35:18 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You need to make the cat associate that area with unpleasantness. What can work is when the naybor catches the cat, to let the naybor get ruff with kitty right next to the car. Ruffness, such as rolling the cage with kitty inside, yelling, banging, spray water on kitty while in cage, etc. All things that will not harm kitty, but certainly scare him. Guaranteed, kitty will not return to that area. Plus naybor is happy to oblige as well.


34 posted on 05/21/2012 6:36:51 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You said the car is kept in an open carport. How about something to cover the carport so the cat can’t get to the car?

I sympathize. Hope you work out something satisfactory to both of you.


35 posted on 05/21/2012 6:37:54 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Zionist Conspirator

He’ll complain for a while but then get adjusted to being an indoor cat. The vast majority of cats live long happy lives as indoor cats.


36 posted on 05/21/2012 6:39:23 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: MamaDearest

I concur, keep the cats inside for their own safety. It will stop fussing in very little time and all will be well, and quiet.
Our current cat we took from our daughter when she married a man who is allergic. The cat was used to roaming free and had for about 8 years. He has a split ear and had teeth mising from fights he survived during his roaming years. But he settled down immediately and doesn’t make any move to go outside.


37 posted on 05/21/2012 6:40:17 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: LadyBuck

You can really tell those of us who A) Have property B) Have taken care of our “animal property” and C) Respect the property of others, vs. those who think the world is THEIR (and their pets’) oyster.

We have many dozens of animals (and many species) on our property. The first thing we did when we moved to our new home was build the containment for the animals. This came BEFORE unpacking. When we first looked at the property, we came over with the realtor and had the discussion with the neighbors about our animals, and how we would do our best not to disturb them. This included discussing what animals we would and would not be getting in the future and their feelings about them. We’ve never just let our animals leave the property, to have someone else deal with them. And it never got to the point that a neighbor had to talk to us (granted, we have few neighbors out here.

“Sorry, people who let their pets roam at will piss me off.”

I applaud you for being so polite. Some of these responses reflect the disrespectful attitudes of the disrespectful people they belong to. Shortly after moving here, there was a teenager walking his leash-less dogs down the street that came onto our property, then made their way deep into the yard and nearly hopped and inner fence and killed some ducklings. Luckily I was already outside when he came by, and got to them before the dogs could attack. Ignorant, irresponsible pet owners disturb me too. As a side note, they almost always have undisciplined children as well. The OP is looking for real, legitimate answers, and the irresponsible cheer squad is doing them no service by telling them to essentially stick it to their neighbors. Unbelievable.

I maintain there is little civility and almost no responsibility left in this world. My goodness.


38 posted on 05/21/2012 6:44:22 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: cripplecreek

..neighbor of mine had a cat stroller that used to sit outside with her in the summer months...looked like a mini pop camper for cats...


39 posted on 05/21/2012 6:44:55 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Aliska

Kinda wonder how he keeps birds from crapping on the car.


40 posted on 05/21/2012 6:44:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

It is time for your cat to become an indoor cat.


41 posted on 05/21/2012 6:47:42 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: cripplecreek

lots of tiny aerodiapers


42 posted on 05/21/2012 6:50:43 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: cripplecreek; Zionist Conspirator

I’m going to second this reply by cripple. If you’re not going to keep the cat indoors, you can build it essentially a “run.” While I personally wouldn’t go to such lengths for the cat, you could build it out of pvc, and hardware cloth, much like a chicken run. It’d probably set you back $200, and you’d have to be sure to secure it, but really you have two options. A) Be responsible, and take appropriate precautions (this will cost time, and maybe money, and certainly effort on your part), which includes keeping the cat indoors, or building it a secure area. B) Be irresponsible, and let your cat out of your supervision/control, and then it’s none of your business what happens to the cat on your neighbors property, because you’ve abdicated ownership and responsibility of the animal. Really it boils down to that old choice: “right” and “wrong”.


43 posted on 05/21/2012 6:51:42 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Anyone who lets their cat go outdoors (unless you live on a farm) is insane, stupid, clueless. Do not let cats go out. Period. The world is full of cars to run them over, vicious children who will hurt them, dogs who will kill them.
You have trained them improperly, and now they are miserable because they want to go out. They will be more miserable wounded, maimed, or dead. Do not let your cats outside. Period.


44 posted on 05/21/2012 6:52:34 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Let me praise you for wanting to be a good neighbor. Cats do scratch cars. I know, our neighbor has a cat who loves our car, I think he sees his reflection on the car, but he has scratched the windshield. And our neighbor is not as concerned as you are! Besides, if it is a male cat, it will spray on your neighbor’s car. Again I’m talking from experience. I’ve haven’t found any way to keep that cat away from my car, so the suggestions to make yours an indoors cat are probably the best you can do.


45 posted on 05/21/2012 6:54:02 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

46 posted on 05/21/2012 6:54:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: cripplecreek

47 posted on 05/21/2012 6:54:46 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: All

Ask your neighbor what he’ll do if a bird craps on his car. And just how many cats does he plan on trapping. There are cats all over the place. I doubt yours in the only one getting on cars. There’s one that gets on mine all the time. My solution is to wash the car.


48 posted on 05/21/2012 6:55:18 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Outdoor Cat Enclosures
49 posted on 05/21/2012 6:56:00 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Bryanw92
You can build; or have constructed; your own 'cat cage'/cat walk whereby your cat can exit; be outside; but be contained. Should be large and 'furnished' per cats needs. Better than never knowing; if the last time your cat goes outdoors; it is 'good bye'.

As for neighbor; he is right about the tarps; but only if left on; and not removed for long periods.

That said; if he really VALUES his car/investment; he should protect it by storing car, PROPERLY; as do those who share same love of antique cars and actually appreciate their value and so insure proper protection by way of safe storage. What is HIS problem?

Surely; your cat is not the only threat/risk to this cars value. Elements, Et Al; are major considerations; for an 'outside' antique. Not to mention 'other things'. . .So he is inviting 'reasonable risk' by leaving antique outside; and without protection.

Consult a lawyer on 'what is right'/legal and reasonable expectation per law.

50 posted on 05/21/2012 6:56:47 PM PDT by cricket (Calling Marco Rubio; Allen West. . Newt. Because they are NOT afraid.)
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