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1 posted on 05/26/2012 2:15:24 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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2 posted on 05/26/2012 2:21:07 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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So during the period in which the Turks were killing a million-plus Armenians, they were also busy killing hundreds of thousands of Christian Assyrians, and another million Greeks.

If you look at the various holocausts as a single whole, you have a decade-long slaughter of Christians that added up to several millions, with millions more fleeing into exile.

3 posted on 05/26/2012 2:55:46 PM PDT by marron
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It’s about time this information comes out.

4 posted on 05/26/2012 3:41:27 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: Ravnagora; SunkenCiv

Smyrna burning during the Fire of Smyrna. Thousands of Greeks and Armenians were killed in the fire and accompanying massacres by the Turks.

Ottoman Genocide against Christian Minorities: General Comments and Sources

“It is believed that in Turkey between 1913 and 1922, under the successive regimes of the Young Turks and of Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk), more than 3.5 million Armenian, Assyrian and Greek Christians were massacred in a state-organized and state-sponsored campaign of destruction and genocide, aiming at wiping out from the emerging Turkish Republic its native Christian populations. This Christian Holocaust is viewed as the precursor to the Jewish Holocaust in WWII. To this day, the Turkish government ostensibly denies having committed this genocide.”

Prof. Israel Charney, President of the IAGS

“Turks admit that the Armenian persecution is the first step in a plan to get rid of Christians, and that Greeks would come next. … Turkey henceforth is to be for Turks alone.”

Peter Balakian, The Burning Tigris, quoting the New York Times, September 14, 1915.

“While the death toll in the trenches of Western Europe were close to 2 million by the summer of 1915, the extermination of innocent civilians in Turkey (the Armenians, but also Syrian and Assyrian Christians and large portions of the Greek population, especially the Greeks of Pontos, or Black Sea region) was reaching 1 million.”

Peter Balakian, The Burning Tigris, p. 285-286.

In an article for the August 1, 1926 edition of the Los Angeles Examiner, Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk) also affirms the slaughters. Kemal writes:

“those … left-over from the former Young Turkish Party, … should have been made to account for the lives of millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse, from their homes and massacred …”


6 posted on 05/26/2012 11:21:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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Thank you for posting.

It's rare that I discover a brand new subject in 20th Century Western History.

This puts the Armenian genocide in a completely new light for me.

Muslim versus Christian.

Previously, I had read about the Armenian tragedy only in the context of World War One.

I assumed they were just one more unlucky ethnic group that found itself in the middle of someone else’s brutal civil war.

7 posted on 05/27/2012 12:51:31 AM PDT by zeestephen
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Thanks for the ping.

8 posted on 05/27/2012 7:20:40 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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Syrian Terrorists Train in Kosovo
Posted on May 4, 2012 by friends of kosova
Syrian “Opposition” Studies Terror Tactics in Kosovo: Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) Join Hands

A delegation of Syrian rebels has made a deal with Pristina authorities to exchange experience on partisan warfare. The Syrian opposition is sending militants to Kosovo for adopting tactics and being trained to oust President Bashar Assad’s regime.

On April 26, a delegation of Syrian opposition members made a stop in Pristina on their way from the US to hold talks on how to make use of the experience of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in Syria, reports the Associated Press.

So far, a poorly-organized Syrian opposition has proven unable to self-organize and form a steady front against the forces of President Assad.

Terror tactics used by militants allow them to kill military and governmental officials, but do not help to hold positions against a regular army.
“We come here to learn. Kosovo has walked this path and has an experience that would be very useful for us,” says the head of the Syrian delegation Ammar Abdulhamid, a Syrian-born human rights activist and dissident. “In particular, we’d like to know how scattered armed groups were finally organized into the KLA.”

Syrian opposition leaders have promised to immediately recognize Kosovo once they seize power in the country.

“We’re in vital need of joint actions as a coalition opposition,” stressed Ammar Abdulhamid, a long-time opponent of the Syria’s President Bashar Assad. In 2005, he left Syria to settle in the US.

The training camp on the Albanian-Kosovo border that has welcomed Syrian attendees was originally organized by the US to help the KLA train its fighters.

The Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was considered a terrorist organization by the US, the UK and France for years until, in 1998, it was taken off the list of terrorists with no explanation given. The KLA used to have up to 10 per cent of underage fighters in its ranks.

There were numerous reports of the KLA having contacts with Al-Qaeda, getting arms from that terrorist organization, getting its militants trained in Al-Qaeda camps in Pakistan and even having members of Al-Qaeda in its ranks fighting against Serbs.

In 1998-1999 Kosovo separatists started an armed conflict with Belgrade to split the Kosovo region from Serbia. The war in the region was marked with mass atrocities and executions of the civilian population. Most of the Serbs that used to live in Kosovo became refugees.

In 2008, 10 years after the beginning of armed conflict with Serbia, Kosovo unilaterally proclaimed independence from Belgrade. Kosovo’s independence has been recognized by leading Western countries, most members of NATO and countries associated with the bloc.

The same horrors that were witnessed during the war in Kosovo are now apparently being prepared for the multi-confessional Syrian population by Islamist Syrian Liberation Army trained in Muslim Kosovo in the middle of Europe....

9 posted on 05/27/2012 10:13:58 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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In Memory Of The 50 Million Victims Of The Orthodox Christian Holocaust
Compiled by Rev. Archimandrite Nektarios Serfes
Boise, Idaho
October 1999

10 posted on 05/27/2012 8:13:38 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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William Ramsay, a British ethnographer, visited the Ottoman Empire and clearly he understood what Turkish Muslim rule meant. He commented that the “Turkish rule…meant unutterable contempt…The Armenians (and Greeks) were dogs and pigs…to be spat upon, if their shadow darkened a Turk, to be outraged, to be the mats on which he wiped the mud from his feet. Conceive the inevitable result of centuries of slavery, of subjection to insult and scorn, centuries in which nothing belonged to the Armenian, neither his property, his house, his life, his person, nor his family, was sacred or safe from violence – capricious, unprovoked violence – to resist which by violence meant death.”

The descriptions of the maltreatment of the Greeks is almost a word-for-word discription of how sharia instructs moslems to treat dhimmis. I have read many such discriptions on the many anti-jihad websites. These horrors have been going on for over a thousand years.

13 posted on 05/31/2012 10:15:24 AM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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My thoughts are that all Christian refugees should be welcomed to America. Muslims should be deported that are here, and those trying to get here should be stopped.

Islam brings death wherever it goes. It should be treated worse than the NAZI party. Should be treated like an incurable and deadly disease.

17 posted on 09/03/2015 8:28:29 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (All the days of my life were written in your book before there was one of them!)
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