BATF Seeks Ban on “Military” Shotguns: Over 5 Rounds

The Tea Party Economist ^ | May 28, 2012 | Gary North

[2ndDivisionVet]

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is inviting public comments on its new rule regarding shotguns. It plans to ban them.

There will be a ban on imports. (Note: watch prices rise on those already in the USA.)

The basis of this ban will be the guns’ semi-automatic status. It the magazine has more than five rounds, the weapon will be banned.

Why? Because the BATF designates these as “military.”

Somehow, I cannot see Sergeant York with a 7-round shotgun taking on the Germans.

Gen. George Patton wore ivory-handled revolvers. I wonder if these are scheduled for a ban.

The guns must be used in sport, only.

Yet there are shooting competitions involving held by national shooting clubs.

Dudley Brown, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, said if the ATF succeeds with the banning of tactical shotguns it “will be the most dangerous interpretation of the 1968 Gun Control Act ever envisioned and will outlaw thousands of perfectly legitimate home defense shotguns.”

If you want to comment on the proposed ban, send an email to shotgunstudy@atf.gov

[2ndDivisionVet]

ABO and BLOAT.

[wastedyears]

And it will pass, there’s no doubt about that. Nobody will step up to defeat it.

[JRandomFreeper]

Come and get it.

/johnny

[mylife]

I told yall to get the Saiga 12 when they were $350 and the MD arms drum when it was $75.

[Army Air Corps]

Luckily, this rule will not hinder the ability of the ATF to sell high-cap shotguns to Mexican drug cartels. /s

[cayuga]

This was posted a few days ago. A reply stated that this was old news, from 2010 or 2011, and already a dead issue.

What's the story on this?

[bmwcyle]

Ban the BATF.

[Lurker]

The funding for this has been removed from the budget.

[2ndDivisionVet]

[Lurker]

What’s the meaning? It’s another NRA appeal for money.

[Clint N. Suhks]

From my cold dead hands they are getting my Model 12s.

[NYTexan]

http://www.examiner.com/article/blocked-funding-for-atf-s-planned-shotgun-import-ban-already-paying-dividends

[Tijeras_Slim]

Gotta love Model 12’s. Have a 16 gauge from 1938, and a bandoleer of mixed #1 Buck and Slug from Federal I call my “Purple People Eaters”.

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

2DV,
I think there was a thread yesterday or the day before, that concluded that this was from April of last year, and that it was “shot” down.

[norwaypinesavage]

"I cannot see Sergeant York with a 7-round shotgun taking on the Germans."

Actually, I own a Winchester 98. 1898, that is. It is a 7 round shotgun that took on the Germans in the trenches of WWI. I like it since it doesn't show up in too many BATF records, and it still throws quite a punch.

[NYTexan]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2888400/posts

[carriage_hill]

“Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms (ATF) should be a convenience store, and not a gov’t agency.”

[BCR #226]

BATFE won’t like what happens if they do move forward with this. The end result will be a significant loss of ability of the BATFE to conduct interpretation of existing laws.

Hey BATFE, you guys really should listen to Len before it’s too late. But by all means, keep it up and give us standing. We won’t mind destroying you in court.

[mylife]

The problem is that while they accepted public comment in 2011, should Obama be re elected they wont take comment.

[Clint N. Suhks]

I still have my dad’s Model 12 16 gauge with a poly choke he bought new when he turned 14 in 1950.

Attitudes back then about firearms were so much different. How did we all survive?

[NYTexan]

should Obama be re elected...

Then this will be the least of our problems!

[Ham Hock]

I’ve had my eye on the FN SLP. Looks like I have a good excuse to get one now.

[Tijeras_Slim]

Who knows? I carried my .22 rifle through the halls of my High School, because the range was in the basement. Nobody said a thing. That was the mid-70’s.

I have a couple guns with Polychokes. They throw nice patterns.

[WKUHilltopper]

ATF, just sell some more to Mexican drug lords...that’ll get them off the streets.

[mylife]

Heyup.

[MindBender26]

I have a 20rd drum for my Siaga 12 gauge. Works like a champ.

[Jack Hydrazine]

Ban the Gun Control Act of 1968. It has its origins in the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm

Make Constitutional Carry legal for all States.

Repeal parts of the National Firearms Law of 1934 so we can legally own full-auto firearms again just like the Swiss do today.

[Jack Hydrazine]

You should get a 30 round drum, too!

[Jack Hydrazine]

Get your Beretta Extrema 2 shotguns while you can!
Shoots 12 rounds in less than 2 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2mFcsa7mw

[mylife]

Excellent shotgun.

[philetus]

The BATF’s #1 job is to disarm the American people.
Any idea, no matter how ridiculous, is beyond attempting.

[I see my hands]

"Attitudes back then about firearms were so much different"

Yep.

[Okieshooter]

I believe you mean a Winchester Model 1897 rather than 98. A John M. Browning design BTW.

[Starstruck]

I have an 1887 Winchester lever operated 12 gauge, also designed by Browning.

[tacticalogic]

Does the BATF have any shotguns with more thatn 5 round magazines? If so, what’s a civilian agency doing with “military” weapons?

[Okieshooter]

Both the 1887 lever gun and the 1897 pump are used today for Cowboy Action shooting and new replicas are currently made by Norinco.

[SampleMan]

I must have missed the “military arms exclusion” in the 2nd Amendment. So I wonder what the ATF thinks of my military rifles...

[Chode]

from my cold dead hands...

[preacher]

AA-12. World's deadliest shotgun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

[norwaypinesavage]

You’re probably right. The gun was given to me by my father, and I’m going from memory from when I looked up the history of it a while ago.

[ctdonath2]

“The guns must be used in sport, only.”

Clarification: OLD sports. “Three gun” shotguns don’t count.

“Sporting purpose” is whatever sport the BATFE purposes.

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[ctdonath2]

It’s making the rounds again. Might be a different new version, as the wording is a bit different this time.

[MindBender26]

Who sells them, and weight?

[Jack Hydrazine]

More info here on it.
http://www.berettausa.com/products/a391-xtrema2/

The price listed is $1,450.00 but I have seen them used for as low as $900 or so.

Any gun dealer who has an FFL should be able to order it for you.

[MindBender26]

Watches the video1

Sa... weet!

[SWAMPSNIPER]

With the BATF it won't be voted on, they can just make up regulations as they wish.

The only solution is to eliminate the BATF, every stinking tyrannical bit of it.

[GraceG]

Come and Take it, in Japanese!

[Red in Blue PA]

Why did you use a sarcasm tag?

[Red in Blue PA]

Excellent question!