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BATF Seeks Ban on “Military” Shotguns: Over 5 Rounds
The Tea Party Economist ^ | May 28, 2012 | Gary North

Posted on 05/28/2012 2:58:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is inviting public comments on its new rule regarding shotguns. It plans to ban them.

There will be a ban on imports. (Note: watch prices rise on those already in the USA.)

The basis of this ban will be the guns’ semi-automatic status. It the magazine has more than five rounds, the weapon will be banned.

Why? Because the BATF designates these as “military.”

Somehow, I cannot see Sergeant York with a 7-round shotgun taking on the Germans.

Gen. George Patton wore ivory-handled revolvers. I wonder if these are scheduled for a ban.

The guns must be used in sport, only.

Yet there are shooting competitions involving held by national shooting clubs.

Dudley Brown, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, said if the ATF succeeds with the banning of tactical shotguns it “will be the most dangerous interpretation of the 1968 Gun Control Act ever envisioned and will outlaw thousands of perfectly legitimate home defense shotguns.”

If you want to comment on the proposed ban, send an email to shotgunstudy@atf.gov


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; batf; batfeisajoke; bloodoftyrants; bootthebatfe; donttreadonme; obama; rapeofliberty; romney; shotguns; tyranny; waronliberty
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ABO and BLOAT.
1 posted on 05/28/2012 2:58:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And it will pass, there’s no doubt about that. Nobody will step up to defeat it.


2 posted on 05/28/2012 3:00:28 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Come and get it.

/johnny

3 posted on 05/28/2012 3:03:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I told yall to get the Saiga 12 when they were $350 and the MD arms drum when it was $75.


4 posted on 05/28/2012 3:03:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Luckily, this rule will not hinder the ability of the ATF to sell high-cap shotguns to Mexican drug cartels. /s


5 posted on 05/28/2012 3:07:02 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This was posted a few days ago. A reply stated that this was old news, from 2010 or 2011, and already a dead issue.

What's the story on this?

6 posted on 05/28/2012 3:08:22 PM PDT by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ban the BATF.


7 posted on 05/28/2012 3:09:19 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The funding for this has been removed from the budget.


8 posted on 05/28/2012 3:10:23 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: JRandomFreeper


9 posted on 05/28/2012 3:11:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: cayuga

What’s the meaning? It’s another NRA appeal for money.


10 posted on 05/28/2012 3:11:19 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From my cold dead hands they are getting my Model 12s.


11 posted on 05/28/2012 3:13:00 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: cayuga

http://www.examiner.com/article/blocked-funding-for-atf-s-planned-shotgun-import-ban-already-paying-dividends


12 posted on 05/28/2012 3:15:22 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Gotta love Model 12’s. Have a 16 gauge from 1938, and a bandoleer of mixed #1 Buck and Slug from Federal I call my “Purple People Eaters”.


13 posted on 05/28/2012 3:17:38 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2DV,
I think there was a thread yesterday or the day before, that concluded that this was from April of last year, and that it was “shot” down.


14 posted on 05/28/2012 3:17:58 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I cannot see Sergeant York with a 7-round shotgun taking on the Germans."

Actually, I own a Winchester 98. 1898, that is. It is a 7 round shotgun that took on the Germans in the trenches of WWI. I like it since it doesn't show up in too many BATF records, and it still throws quite a punch.

15 posted on 05/28/2012 3:18:45 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2888400/posts


16 posted on 05/28/2012 3:20:45 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: bmwcyle

“Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms (ATF) should be a convenience store, and not a gov’t agency.”


17 posted on 05/28/2012 3:21:36 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BATFE won’t like what happens if they do move forward with this. The end result will be a significant loss of ability of the BATFE to conduct interpretation of existing laws.

Hey BATFE, you guys really should listen to Len before it’s too late. But by all means, keep it up and give us standing. We won’t mind destroying you in court.


18 posted on 05/28/2012 3:24:58 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: NYTexan

The problem is that while they accepted public comment in 2011, should Obama be re elected they wont take comment.


19 posted on 05/28/2012 3:25:12 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I still have my dad’s Model 12 16 gauge with a poly choke he bought new when he turned 14 in 1950.

Attitudes back then about firearms were so much different. How did we all survive?


20 posted on 05/28/2012 3:26:58 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: mylife
should Obama be re elected...

Then this will be the least of our problems!

21 posted on 05/28/2012 3:30:25 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve had my eye on the FN SLP. Looks like I have a good excuse to get one now.


22 posted on 05/28/2012 3:31:06 PM PDT by Ham Hock ( i)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Who knows? I carried my .22 rifle through the halls of my High School, because the range was in the basement. Nobody said a thing. That was the mid-70’s.

I have a couple guns with Polychokes. They throw nice patterns.


23 posted on 05/28/2012 3:31:06 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ATF, just sell some more to Mexican drug lords...that’ll get them off the streets.


24 posted on 05/28/2012 3:32:07 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: NYTexan

Heyup.


25 posted on 05/28/2012 3:34:39 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a 20rd drum for my Siaga 12 gauge. Works like a champ.


26 posted on 05/28/2012 3:45:36 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: bmwcyle

Ban the Gun Control Act of 1968. It has its origins in the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm

Make Constitutional Carry legal for all States.

Repeal parts of the National Firearms Law of 1934 so we can legally own full-auto firearms again just like the Swiss do today.


27 posted on 05/28/2012 3:45:36 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MindBender26

You should get a 30 round drum, too!


28 posted on 05/28/2012 3:46:46 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Get your Beretta Extrema 2 shotguns while you can!
Shoots 12 rounds in less than 2 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2mFcsa7mw


29 posted on 05/28/2012 3:49:08 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Excellent shotgun.


30 posted on 05/28/2012 3:50:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The BATF’s #1 job is to disarm the American people.
Any idea, no matter how ridiculous, is beyond attempting.


31 posted on 05/28/2012 3:55:07 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"Attitudes back then about firearms were so much different"

Yep.


32 posted on 05/28/2012 3:57:22 PM PDT by I see my hands (If you say what you think then no one will like you.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I believe you mean a Winchester Model 1897 rather than 98. A John M. Browning design BTW.


33 posted on 05/28/2012 4:02:42 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter

I have an 1887 Winchester lever operated 12 gauge, also designed by Browning.


34 posted on 05/28/2012 4:14:59 PM PDT by Starstruck
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does the BATF have any shotguns with more thatn 5 round magazines? If so, what’s a civilian agency doing with “military” weapons?


35 posted on 05/28/2012 4:20:41 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Starstruck

Both the 1887 lever gun and the 1897 pump are used today for Cowboy Action shooting and new replicas are currently made by Norinco.


36 posted on 05/28/2012 4:30:35 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I must have missed the “military arms exclusion” in the 2nd Amendment. So I wonder what the ATF thinks of my military rifles...


37 posted on 05/28/2012 4:46:54 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
from my cold dead hands...

38 posted on 05/28/2012 4:56:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
AA-12. World's deadliest shotgun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c


39 posted on 05/28/2012 4:56:54 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Okieshooter

You’re probably right. The gun was given to me by my father, and I’m going from memory from when I looked up the history of it a while ago.


40 posted on 05/28/2012 6:16:38 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The guns must be used in sport, only.”

Clarification: OLD sports. “Three gun” shotguns don’t count.

“Sporting purpose” is whatever sport the BATFE purposes.


41 posted on 05/28/2012 6:19:21 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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42 posted on 05/28/2012 6:20:14 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: cayuga

It’s making the rounds again. Might be a different new version, as the wording is a bit different this time.


43 posted on 05/28/2012 6:20:38 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Who sells them, and weight?


44 posted on 05/28/2012 8:24:26 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: MindBender26

More info here on it.
http://www.berettausa.com/products/a391-xtrema2/

The price listed is $1,450.00 but I have seen them used for as low as $900 or so.

Any gun dealer who has an FFL should be able to order it for you.


45 posted on 05/28/2012 8:41:42 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Watches the video1

Sa... weet!


46 posted on 05/28/2012 8:56:27 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: wastedyears
With the BATF it won't be voted on, they can just make up regulations as they wish.

The only solution is to eliminate the BATF, every stinking tyrannical bit of it.

47 posted on 05/29/2012 1:40:39 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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Come and Take it, in Japanese!

48 posted on 05/29/2012 5:07:23 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Army Air Corps

Why did you use a sarcasm tag?


49 posted on 05/29/2012 5:55:48 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: tacticalogic

Excellent question!


50 posted on 05/29/2012 5:59:54 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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