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Stance On Gay Marriage May Cost Rev. His Church
WCCO-CBS ^ | May 29, 2012 | WCCO

Posted on 05/30/2012 3:57:41 PM PDT by radioone

ST. PAUL, Minn. (WCCO) – The reverend of a St. Paul church says he needs to raise $200,000 to pay off a church loan after most of his followers left because of his support for gay marriage.

The Rev. Oliver White runs Grace Community United Church of Christ in St. Paul. The 69-year-old said he needs to raise the money by June 30.

“We lost our income when we lost a number of people from our congregation.” White said.

White said two-thirds of his followers left after he said he supported same-sex marriage, and said he was against the marriage amendment that will be up for a vote in November.

“I think people are scared — scared of change, and what has been in the closet is finally coming out, and too many people are not willing to accept it,” White said.

He argued they have to accept it, adding that it’s a civil rights issue.

“It’s time for our society to do as Rodney King did and say, ‘Can’t we all get along?’ That should be the 11th commandment as far as I’m concerned,” he said. “We should not try to legislate morality, in terms of who should get married and who can’t get married.”

White said they are praying for a miracle donation, but says even if they lose the church, those remaining members will find another place to worship.


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1 posted on 05/30/2012 3:57:53 PM PDT by radioone
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To: radioone

What doesn’t this “rever” end not understand about: Sleep with the faggots, wake up with AIDS, die, and go to hell?


2 posted on 05/30/2012 4:02:02 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Da Bro' Gotsta Go!)
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To: radioone

He should take it up with the Boss.


3 posted on 05/30/2012 4:02:28 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: radioone

He infiltrated the congregation and now he has to be responsible for it. Too bad, so sad.

Those that decided not support his leadership can start a new congregation and now learn to pick a leader in a much wiser fashion. That leader is going to only merit the position by the example he sets in word and deed.


4 posted on 05/30/2012 4:02:28 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: radioone

:). Liberals don’t know Christianity...the church belongs to the Lord. A pastor is a shepherd who, if he fails his flock, ought to be removed.


5 posted on 05/30/2012 4:02:49 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: radioone; Morgana

Should have been a lot more than 2/3rds leaving.

This man no longer believes in Christianity, he is preaching the socialist gospel instead


6 posted on 05/30/2012 4:04:40 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I was never able to marry two male plugs, were you? ,P>
7 posted on 05/30/2012 4:06:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: radioone

Wow! talk about a wolf among the sheep! This guy is going to pay severely for misleading so many people! Thank the Lord that most of the congregation left!


8 posted on 05/30/2012 4:07:11 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: vpintheak

Didn’t a tornado strike a church where a demoninational meeting voted to have openly sodomite clergy - in neighboring Minneapolis? Maybe it’s time for another tornado, or hailstorm.


9 posted on 05/30/2012 4:11:00 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: radioone

The Gospel According to Rodney King - that’s a new one.


10 posted on 05/30/2012 4:12:25 PM PDT by Argus
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To: radioone

Idiot Rev trying to lead good people astray.....thankfully they didn;t all go down to HELL with him.


11 posted on 05/30/2012 4:13:56 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: radioone

This vermin’s congregants are merely following St. Paul’s injunction; “come out from among them.”


12 posted on 05/30/2012 4:14:01 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: radioone
. . . two-thirds of his followers left after he said he supported same-sex marriage . . . "what has been in the closet is finally coming out" . . . they have to accept it . . . "That should be the 11th commandment as far as I’m concerned" he said.

Quite a surprise for this activist: "his" flock prefers the Bible to Political Correctness and they were really "His" flock. We've had adultery, polygamy, false witness, and other violations of God's Word in the closet for a long time, but that doesn't mean we need to accept those too and let them come out as something to be celebrated, and the congregation understood that better than a leader in name only, one who followed the NYT instead of the Gospel. As for more Commandments, I have enough humility to accept without even considering alternatives that God chose better than I would in that area.

13 posted on 05/30/2012 4:18:22 PM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: Ann Archy

There are way too many liberals calling themselves clergy. How Americans of faith ever allowed this infiltration...and it was organized...into churches is beyond me. Why the faithful do not rise en masse and oust these liberals from their leadership and flock is also beyond me. Screw the media whinning about fairness and tolerance. DO IT!

This looks like a good start though.


14 posted on 05/30/2012 4:20:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: radioone

I grew up in the UCC. I left in the 70’s. Our church exists today because so many congregants left lucrative stocks to the church when they passed.
The new Pastor has a life partner.
I never understood the Matthew 7 warning to those Christians who heard the words, “Get away from evildoer, I never know you.” until recently.


15 posted on 05/30/2012 4:22:04 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: radioone

I grew up in the UCC. I left in the 70’s. Our church exists today because so many congregants left lucrative stocks to the church when they passed.
The new Pastor has a life partner.
I never understood the Matthew 7 warning to those Christians who heard the words, “Get away from evildoer, I never know you.” until recently.


16 posted on 05/30/2012 4:22:18 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
“I think people are scared — scared of change, and what has been in the closet is finally coming out, and too many people are not willing to accept it,” White said.

Wrong, Ollie!
We're not scared, we're addamantly opposed to the perversion you peddle.

Funny how the argument is always framed in terms of the pro-normal side being on the defensive; backwards people who need to be brought up to modernity and civilization.

17 posted on 05/30/2012 4:28:26 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: radioone

Sounds like the “rev” was hoist by his own petard.

Besides, if I know anything at all about Christianity (and I don’t know much) it’s not “his” church. It’s GOD’s church — built and supported by the giving hand and good works of the men and women who attend to give glory to His name and do works as He has made clear he wants them done.

If this “rev” is out of a job he has only his own hubris to blame.

Tough.


18 posted on 05/30/2012 4:37:31 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: radioone
“I think people are scared — scared of change, and what has been in the closet is finally coming out,

If this idiot thinks recognizing gays is a new thing, he needs to go back and read his Old Testament again.

It isn't new, it isn't change, it has been a recognized perversion and detriment to society for thousands of years.

19 posted on 05/30/2012 4:37:52 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: stormhill

Ever notice it’s all about fear? homo-PHOBIA, islmoPHOBIA, ‘people FEAR what they don’t understand’ commentary?

They have taken control of the language and warped it Orwell style. Their perceived strength is in their perceived numbers. People play along because they think the whole country believes what libs do and they do not want to be the odd man out.

But their numbers are propaganda. A maximum of 5% of the pop is gay on the high end. 2% most likely according to non inflated estimates.

Perception = reality = power for libs. Correct that perception via proper use of the language (and ‘fear’ isn’t the issue) and the libs lose the power of propaganda.


20 posted on 05/30/2012 4:39:10 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
How many of these do we need to see to convince us that the general public is not in tune with this? Wake up people. Do not be convinced. We will hold out in the end. The United States will not be a second Sodom and Gomorrah. Forget what you hear in the news. They are trying to split the middle and hang on to what are the people who really are not listening. If they can do that, they get better than 50 percent, enough to win. Hold them back at less than 50%. Make it cost them. We can do it!
21 posted on 05/30/2012 5:06:13 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: radioone
We should not try to legislate morality, ...

This should be a test of every minister: Ask them this one question; can you legislate morality?

If they answer no they should be fired on the spot. In fact it is "morality" that we do legislate! Thou shalt not murder... how about that for morality? Thou shalt not steal... how about that for morality? Should pedophiles be allowed to marry? Does the "Reverend" want to legislate that morality or does he want to allow those perverts full access to their "sexual orientation?" It's a slippery slope when you choose not to legislate morality!!

The congregation did the right thing by abandoning this fool!

22 posted on 05/30/2012 5:08:51 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: radioone; All

I posted this at the news website:

“If gay marriage is Scriptural, then why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? If I read the Genesis account correctly, the cities weren’t destroyed until after the “bigots” left. It appears that the only thing standing between this nation and some serious Divine Judgement is the presence of us “bigots”.


23 posted on 05/30/2012 5:15:30 PM PDT by TheRobb7 (Remember, JimRob called a truce....not a surrender.)
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To: GeronL

Keep in mind, we don’t know how many of the remaining 1/3 were actually awake in church when he announced his new position.


24 posted on 05/30/2012 5:16:24 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: skr

These mushroom so-called churches are like weeds. Sooner or later they die anyway. There is but one rock and one Peter and one faith founded on one truth.


25 posted on 05/30/2012 5:19:15 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: radioone
White said two-thirds of his followers left after he said he supported same-sex marriage

That's the problem. They aren't followers of White, they're followers of Christ. So they left a church where the minister preached apostasy.

26 posted on 05/30/2012 5:21:48 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Boogieman

lol.

That is true.


27 posted on 05/30/2012 5:29:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Fred Hayek

Central Lutheran in dowtown MPLS lost their steeple a year or so ago in a twister. This past Sunday, a 100 year old gay friendly church in S. MPLS burned to the ground after taking a lightning strike....

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/05/28/walker-community-church-fire/


28 posted on 05/30/2012 5:34:56 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: Steelfish

Peter?

My guy is named Jesus.


29 posted on 05/30/2012 5:35:32 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: radioone
“It’s time for our society to do as Rodney King did and say, ‘Can’t we all get along?’ That should be the 11th commandment as far as I’m concerned.”

“And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?”

30 posted on 05/30/2012 5:35:59 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: GeronL

Then you must listen to your guy say to Peter: “upon this rock, I will build my Church....” He didn’t says “rocks” or “pebbles”


31 posted on 05/30/2012 5:42:10 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

By Grace..we do not approve of their behavior, but we do pray and hope for their salvation-not their going to hell.

J.S.


32 posted on 05/30/2012 5:43:44 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Steelfish

I see “my church” there.

I haven’t seen any Catholic churches around here named after Jesus. Jesus is the ONLY saint there ever was.


33 posted on 05/30/2012 5:46:27 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Steelfish; GeronL

>> Then you must listen to your guy say to Peter: “upon this rock, I will build my Church....” <<

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Yes, the Rock, Jesus Christ!
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34 posted on 05/30/2012 5:48:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: GeronL

You confuse saints with God. Saints are not made by the Church but the Church simply provides validation that they are in paradise. The first saint was the thief on the right who was assured “This Day Thou Shalt Be With Me In Paradise.”


35 posted on 05/30/2012 5:51:03 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: editor-surveyor

Christ as God does not build on Himself. That would be an absurdity.


36 posted on 05/30/2012 5:54:00 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: GeronL; Steelfish

>> “I haven’t seen any Catholic churches around here named after Jesus.” <<

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It truly is rare. Some are named “Christ the KIng,” but usually they are named after some dead sinner. There was one in our town that was appropriately named “Most Prescious Blood.” The pastor was a straight up guy Msgr. Varney, and when he died they burned his church down and built a new one, and named it “St Francis Asisi.”

Christ One, dead sinners, infinity.


37 posted on 05/30/2012 5:58:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Steelfish

Absurdity was your retort!

What he is building (still) is his church. Building on the only available foundation: himself.


38 posted on 05/30/2012 6:00:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Steelfish

Saint means believer.

Believers are ‘set apart,’ which is exactly what saint means.


39 posted on 05/30/2012 6:03:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: GeronL
Should have been a lot more than 2/3rds leaving.

The two thirds should have thrown him out. He just usurped hundreds of man years of donations and good faith Christianity from those families.

40 posted on 05/30/2012 6:06:22 PM PDT by BRL
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To: BRL

I agree. They should have been able to toss him out on his behind with those numbers. I bet some of the remaining 1/3rd will be walking sooner or later too. Some people keep holding out hope for bad reasons.


41 posted on 05/30/2012 6:09:44 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Saint means believer”
This begs the question, who is a “believer”? By this yardstick the Joel Osteens and Al Sharptons of our world would all claim entitlement to “sainthood”

The “rock” as any theological scholar will tell you is a metaphor for the One Church (not 35, 000 and counting variations of the Truth) that the Christ established under the Great Commission: One Church, One Truth.

Matthew 28:16-20
“The eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them. When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted. Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”


42 posted on 05/30/2012 6:30:33 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: radioone

Apply for a government bailout.


43 posted on 05/30/2012 7:29:42 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: radioone
Actually fake Reve... it's Freedom of Religion, and you ain't teaching what the Bible says, that's why you're 200,000 in the...hole?

My Grandparents always said “if the Preacher doesn't teach the Bible right, get up, walk out, and find a Church that does.”

I guess that's what happened with your congregation.

44 posted on 05/30/2012 7:30:17 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Steelfish

>> This begs the question, who is a “believer”? By this yardstick the Joel Osteens and Al Sharptons of our world would all claim entitlement to “sainthood” <<

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That question has and always will be Christ’s to answer, not the hierarchy of a pagan, idolatrous, blind ‘church’ in Rome, the present seat of satan.

The “rock” as any theological scholar will tell you is a metaphor for the One Church <<

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Provided that said ‘scholar’ is a Nicolaitan, idolator from the RCC.

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>> “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” <<

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Good of you to point that key sentence out for us, thus demolishing all else that you have posted.
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45 posted on 05/30/2012 8:33:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor

This is a typical foolish and sophomoric as well as out of context analysis. No one denies that Christ has the final answer, but His Church can validate that the saintly lives and martyrs of His followers are in paradise. Only an idiot will deny that St. Peter and St. Paul are not saints.

No one denies that all power is with Christ. But through His power and at His command His apostles were invested with the power to forgive sins in His name.


46 posted on 05/30/2012 9:34:21 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

>> “but His Church can validate that the saintly lives and martyrs of His followers are in paradise” <<

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That is nuts, and grossly anti-scriptural.

Christ told his disciples that the tares could not be identified and rooted out of the church, and that his angels only were up to that task.

Humans cannot see into another’s heart.


47 posted on 05/30/2012 9:57:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Steelfish

>> “His apostles were invested with the power to forgive sins in His name” <<

Just a misunderstanding. The forgiveness of sin was evidenced by the healings, but Revelation makes clear that there were 12, and only 12 apostles, thus none alive today.

That doesn’t mean that there are not men with spiritual gifts today; clearly there are, but the apostleship was for a special time, under special conditions.


48 posted on 05/30/2012 10:02:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Go back and read the Acts of the Apostles.


49 posted on 05/30/2012 10:08:19 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

The Acts also make it clear that men cannot ‘appoint’ apostles.

The apostle that men appointed was quickly replaced by Paul, God’s chosen apostle to the gentile world.

There are 12 and only 12 apostles, and their names will be on the 12 foundations of the New Jerusalem.
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50 posted on 05/31/2012 9:19:52 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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