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Teacher and Spouse Make $140K Per Year, 'Adamant' That Their Children Will 'Never' Be Educators
Capitol Confidential ^ | 5/30/2012 | Tom Gantert

Posted on 05/31/2012 8:57:15 AM PDT by MichCapCon

As teachers in the same school district, Craig and Laura Beach have a combined 47 years at Rockford Public Schools.

According to the teachers’ union contract, the two would make a combined $140,000 a year working in a city where the median household income is $57,422.

Craig is a high school teacher with 23 years of experience and his wife Laura has 24 years of experience and is an elementary school teacher, according to what Craig Beach recently posted in his op-ed on MLive.

If the teaching couple retired with 25 years of experience, their combined pensions would be about $52,000 a year. The Michigan Public School Employees Retirement System will provide health care coverage into retirement as early as age 46 if they qualify.

Yet, Craig Beach is unhappy with the “scorn” his profession is allegedly feeling from the Republican Party as well as the compensation of teachers. He wrote that he and his wife are committed that their children not become teachers.

“... My wife and I are adamant that this will never be the heritage of our own three children,” he wrote. "For the first time in my service to our future leaders, I have come to the realization that I would never want my children to enter the education profession. My father, mother, sister, wife and I all have advanced college degrees. In total, the five of us have approximately 36 years of college. My children will use their college degrees for a profession that is not the target of scorn of the Republican Party.

"Would you encourage your son or daughter to devote an advanced college degree to this profession?" he wrote.

Tina Dupont, who has a Rockford mailing address and is a member of the Tea Party of West Michigan, said teachers are paid well and if they "love teaching, pay and benefits should be a secondary worry."

"Teachers today make more money than most of the parents who drop off their kids. They get many days off for Christmas, spring break, summer, etc. Most days they can leave with the children when the final bell rings and actually beat them home since they don’t have to ride the bus," DuPont said. "They‘ve not been paying much for the health care or retirement. … The rest of us have been doing this for years and paying for theirs. So now when the tax payer who pays his salary and benefits can no longer afford to be so generous, he has the gall to whine about it. What Mr. Beach does not realize [that] they ... also get more generous benefits than any I’ve ever seen in my or my husband’s career."

Rockford teachers were offered a health insurance plan with the school district paying 100 percent of the premium. That was changed in the latest contract that was effective Sept. 1, 2011 and teachers currently pay 18 percent of their health care premium.

A teacher with 24 years of service and a master's degree working at Rockford Public Schools earns $71,832 a year. A teacher at Rockford with 23 years of service with a master’s degree would make $70,189, according to the union contract. If a teacher worked 25 years and retired from Rockford, the annual pension would be an estimated $26,320. By contrast, in 2008, the median pension for the private sector was $7,584, according to the Congressional Research Service.

Beach didn’t respond to a request sent to his school email address seeking comment.


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: school; unions

1 posted on 05/31/2012 8:57:22 AM PDT by MichCapCon
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To: MichCapCon

Can’t make up their minds. They want their kids to be doing things that Republicans absolutely adore? Why, if they’re Democrats?


2 posted on 05/31/2012 9:03:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: MichCapCon
I believe they prefer to be called "Educators", and a greater mass of unprofessional whiners you will never meet. Nothing is good enough, nothing pays them enough and no retirement is 'satisfactory'.

The fact that any Homeschooler does, without years of specialized training (in such difficult subjects as decorating a bulletin board), without administration, without retirement or medical benefits - a BETTER job at teaching pupils than they do, does nothing but make them sputter and become enraged. Practically anyone can be a teacher - it's perhaps the easiest degree one can earn (with the possible exceptions for Art).

3 posted on 05/31/2012 9:04:16 AM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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To: MichCapCon
My father, mother, sister, wife and I all have advanced college degrees. In total, the five of us have approximately 36 years of college.

Shocker.

In the real world people point to their merits and accomplishments. They don't proudly brag about the number of years they've spent at college.

4 posted on 05/31/2012 9:05:25 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: MichCapCon

I ran into my kids’ retired Kindergarten teacher the other day (NY State). I believe she was a teacher for nearly 40 years. She had new BMW 535i - very nice.


5 posted on 05/31/2012 9:06:10 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: agere_contra

Someone needs to tell this guy that a rectal thermometer has a lot of degrees.


6 posted on 05/31/2012 9:07:00 AM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

But...but...I thought that “O” said making money and getting ahead is GREEDY!!!!????


7 posted on 05/31/2012 9:07:41 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Terry Mross

LOL Terry. I must remember that.

“They’ve got more degrees than a rectal thermometer”


8 posted on 05/31/2012 9:08:47 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: MichCapCon

And don;t forget that 70k is for 185 days of work. 9 and 1/2 months of work and all they can do is bitch and moan and complain.


9 posted on 05/31/2012 9:09:00 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Hodar

Frankly, it amazes me that educators, by and large, persist in thinking their ‘noble’ work ‘educating’ our children is somewhow laudible and worthy of unwarranted excess in compensation.

As far as I am concerned, the overwhelming mass of teachers in America today, especially in urban/city areas are nothing short of ideological government brain washers. They should be severely castigated (some say imprisoned), let alone be falsely rewarded.


10 posted on 05/31/2012 9:09:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MichCapCon

I know a rural town with a population of 600. It has an elementary school. Principal makes over $60,000/yr and his teacher-wife makes over $40,000/yr. Most public schools have to publish salary and other expenditure details. Not enough people pay attention.


11 posted on 05/31/2012 9:09:52 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: MichCapCon
"For the first time in my service to our future leaders,..."

This is an odd statement, straight from the socialist handbook.

12 posted on 05/31/2012 9:10:12 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: MichCapCon

Teachers used to be paid far less, schools had far less money and yet students were far better educated. Now money is poured into schools from every direction- yet there never seems to be any money available and students are mostly poorly educated. All that money is going somewhere!!

Teaching should be a very respected profession and at one time it was. There are still great teachers out there, and their complaint is they are not allowed to teach. Many teachers are simply shilling for the liberals, trying to brain wash students instead of teaching.

I don’t know the answer, but likely the only real solution is to gut education and start over. We sure cannot allow those in charge now to be in charge of any reform though so they must go.


13 posted on 05/31/2012 9:12:46 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: MichCapCon

Must be nice to have a career for 25 years and be able to retire with that type of pension. I know, I have 2 teachers in my family. I keep my mouth shut, but I don’t think they should complain about anything. What a racket!

Take that 25 years and deduct all of the days they have off and it may account for actually 17 years of service. This is a guess, but I’m sure it’s close. Imagine getting a huge pension at such a young age and never having to work again in your life? Pathetic!


14 posted on 05/31/2012 9:13:12 AM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: MichCapCon
If the teaching couple retired with 25 years of experience, their combined pensions would be about $52,000 a year. The Michigan Public School Employees Retirement System will provide health care coverage into retirement as early as age 46 if they qualify.

Plus, their pension is worth over a million dollars at age 50 at that rate.

So, they amassed a million dollars in 25 years on the side, thanks to the tax payers. This puts their working compensation package to well over 200K.

15 posted on 05/31/2012 9:13:40 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: MichCapCon

What is there about teaching that would require a master’s degree?


16 posted on 05/31/2012 9:16:14 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: MichCapCon
My children will use their college degrees for a profession that is not the target of scorn of the Republican Party.

Oh, I see. It's a political advertisement, not a news story. :)

17 posted on 05/31/2012 9:19:42 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Tammy8

“Teachers used to be paid far less, schools had far less money and yet students were far better educated. Now money is poured into schools from every direction- yet there never seems to be any money available and students are mostly poorly educated. All that money is going somewhere!!

Teaching should be a very respected profession and at one time it was. There are still great teachers out there, and their complaint is they are not allowed to teach. Many teachers are simply shilling for the liberals, trying to brain wash students instead of teaching.

I don’t know the answer, but likely the only real solution is to gut education and start over. We sure cannot allow those in charge now to be in charge of any reform though so they must go. “

***************

Public education should be a priviledge and not a right. If kids had to qualify to attend and troublemakers expelled a lot more learning and a lot less social engineering would be occurring for a lot less money.


18 posted on 05/31/2012 9:22:39 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: MichCapCon

Keeping liberals out of the schools? GOOD!


19 posted on 05/31/2012 9:23:47 AM PDT by Kirkwood (It's not a lie. It's a composite.)
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To: Hodar

Some people are lousy (graphical) artists. I was such an unfortunate. Art isn’t easier unless you gots the talent.


20 posted on 05/31/2012 9:25:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: MichCapCon
Gee with my pension from the Navy....

and one of their pensions,

They still make more than I do.

I really can believe that such educated people (in theory) are still blaming just the republicans.

For the love, talk about overeducated stupid people.....

21 posted on 05/31/2012 9:26:00 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: count-your-change

” What is there about teaching that would require a master’s degree? “

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What probably happens is the person can’t get a job in the private sector with their masters degree in some pseudo-science and so they are steered towards teaching. Schools should not be paying a premium for people with advanced degrees that are then used to teach introductory classes such as those offered in high school.


22 posted on 05/31/2012 9:26:44 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: MichCapCon
The kid behind the McDonalds counter also serves the “Future Leaders”, but they don't brainwash them.
23 posted on 05/31/2012 9:27:51 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Confucius say, short note better than long memory....)
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To: MichCapCon

IF: education degree
THEN: no education

Get rid of the degree, and the unions that support it.

There is plenty of talent in both the STEM subjects and in the lib arts that would love to educate (in the true sense of the word) our children. One can cover the psychology of “education” with a couple of 10th grade courses. The rest of education is for folks who actually have something to teach.


24 posted on 05/31/2012 9:28:06 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: MichCapCon

“Would you encourage your son or daughter to devote an advanced college degree to this profession?”

An advanced degree in education? For pity’s sake *why*? An MS or PhD in education makes as much sense as issuing MS and PhD degrees in welding or plumbing.

That is not a knock on welding or plumbing — or even education. All three are examples of skilled trades where once the basics have been mastered, experience is the best teacher, not classroom work.

The Armed Forces turn out teachers (they call them instructors) with three months training. Why would anyone need more than three months to learn the techniques of teaching. (Yes, it can take 3-3/4 years to master a subject to be taught, such as science — but teaching techniques ain’t rocket science.)


25 posted on 05/31/2012 9:33:32 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: MichCapCon

My Wife just got laid off. Our Health Insurance Premium was $400 a month. Now under COBRA, we pay $1300 a month.

Not whining, it’s just the way it is in Obamaville. Maybe I should write an article and blame the Republicans. /s


26 posted on 05/31/2012 9:34:02 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Confucius say, short note better than long memory....)
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To: Terry Mross

LOL! Writing that one down, TM!


27 posted on 05/31/2012 9:37:17 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: agere_contra

“My father, mother, sister, wife and I all have advanced college degrees. In total, the five of us have approximately 36 years of college.”

And their “advanced degrees” are probably those mickey mouse M.Eds and Ed.Ds. (paid for at taxpayer expense to qualify them for mandatory higher salaries).

My kids have had some really good teachers, but I’m getting tired of them complaining about how rough they have it with a decent salary, gold-plated healthcare and pension, and summers off.


28 posted on 05/31/2012 9:55:22 AM PDT by MIDad23
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Couldn’t you just paint a toilet blue, or take a canvas and leave it in the rain, then drive over it, then cover it with oats and let chickens crap all over it?

That’s what my old roommate did for his Art Degree?


29 posted on 05/31/2012 9:59:19 AM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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To: Hodar

That’s red neck art, I guess. I stank at drawing pictures. Never had the brain for it.


30 posted on 05/31/2012 10:04:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: No Truce With Kings

I could see masters and doctorates in welding, with exotic automated systems. And in plumbing, if someone ever invents a robotic plumber.

Speaking of which, other than handling behavior problems, sticking a robot in front of a class of kids would do at least as well as what we got today.


31 posted on 05/31/2012 10:07:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Nifster

I think the pension rate is something like 75-80% here in CA for that length of service. Of course they whine about not getting Social Security but neglect to mention they aren’t “fortunate” enough to have to pay the 7-15% us private twerps pay. I believe their “contribution” to their retirement is something like 8% which is the same as my SSI.


32 posted on 05/31/2012 10:08:56 AM PDT by RGF
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To: MichCapCon
they don't work but 1/2 the year....what the hell is wrong with people......

an education degree is NOT a medical degree....and sadly, most times EDUCATION is their major, not math, not chemistry or biology or physics.....

33 posted on 05/31/2012 10:12:58 AM PDT by cherry
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To: MichCapCon

Gulp...I know I’ll get some flak for this, but gotta say a few things about teachers:
1. They work for about 10 months in most states, and have MANDATORY summer workshops they must attend, and their salaries are usually paid over an annual basis. Their classrooms are expected to be cleaned out at end of year (after kids go home) and then ready at beginning of year (for all those Open House events), so they put in their time making that happen. I know, cuz I’ve helped my sister and my niece who are both teachers in Louisiana, and way back eons ago I taught in Mississippi.
2. Like any profession, there are good ones and then those who work the system, leach off the taxpayer, and give education a really bad name/smell.
3. Gotta point at the administration (at all levels in any school system) and say they are overpaid, overstaffed, not ideal for their roles. Very few have good “field” experience that makes them credible and a role model for the teachers they supervise. Sadly, a lot of em have their noses so far up the next upper level supervisor’s rectum that they sneeze brown when then upper level flatuates. Most of em need to be back in the classroom on a mandatory 1 day/week so they can practice what they preach. Usually their practices are so stupid that even new kindergarten students roll their eyes.

Yeah, I know they’re still stupid for being Democrats, and for supporting their unions (I got a lot of gripe about that) but God Bless the good ones who stick it out anyway and try to teach our kids. Not all of em are bad...but our overall American education system sucks when compared to other industrialized countries fer sure. I don’t know what the solution is, cuz it’s all like an onion: the more you cut it, the more you cry.


34 posted on 05/31/2012 10:14:02 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: Hodar

the best teachers....the NUNS....no kidding....very educated, disciplined, passionate,dedicated....


35 posted on 05/31/2012 10:14:39 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Hodar
it's perhaps the easiest degree one can earn (with the possible exceptions for art).

I disagree. I would think that attaining a degree in art requires some degree of talent.

36 posted on 05/31/2012 10:15:07 AM PDT by OldPossum (I)
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To: Terry Mross
"Someone needs to tell this guy that a rectal thermometer has a lot of degrees.:

POST OF THE DAY!!!

37 posted on 05/31/2012 10:15:59 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Tammy8
of course we should respect teachers....I want to ...just can't in this present climate...

they've making themselves out to be some sort of superior saintly martyrs....like they work so "hard" and they work so "long" and they have all this "education"...(NOT!) ...truth is , they get paid better than people with actual science/math degrees, better benefits than almost all people except fellow govt workers, and retire early with fat pensions...

they never get their fingernails dirty...they don't have to lift heavy objects...they can never be fired...they actually get work time lessened so they can talk about their "work"....

sounds like a cushy job to me...( I don't actually believe that...I wouldn't want to nor could be a teacher...standing in front of a bunch of people..but jeepers, they get a pretty good package for that)

let me put it this way.....would they want to be the doctors or nurses taking care of that poor man in Florida with his face gone?....I didn't think so...

38 posted on 05/31/2012 10:23:21 AM PDT by cherry
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To: carriage_hill

These so-called “educators” are the whiniest group I’ve ever met. What a bunch of spoiled, self-praising losers.


39 posted on 05/31/2012 10:32:48 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

Yep. I’m finding that true of so many of the union types whose salaries/benefits/pensions are almost as Taxpayer-gold-plated as the criminal, corrupt pols we re-elect each year.

(As a small businessman whose Family Farm was destroyed by the EPA after 22yrs, I’ll be lucky to share a meal with my farm cats, let alone retire with that kind of money.)


40 posted on 05/31/2012 10:52:49 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: MichCapCon

excuse me?!

i’ve always failed to understand WHY ON EARTH teachers get pensions. maybe i could see it... IF their salaries over the years were below the median for the area, thereby saving some money for the community (a form of sweat equity)

but it makes no sense for teachers making FAR above the median salary to also rake in a pension

on top of that, their contributions over the years are nothing... yet they rake in massive amounts for the remainder of their lives.

in this case, if they retire at 50 and both live to 70, that’s 20 years @ $52k/yr, or $1.04m.

meanwhile, the average person being FORCED to ‘contribute’ 15% of their lifetime earnings into social security will receive roughly $800/mon on average, or $19,200/yr for 2 people ($800 * 12 * 2)... which they can only start collecting at 65. if those 2 average people also lived to 70, they would receive $96,000 total...

wtf is going on here and wth are we allowing ourselves to continue being punked???


41 posted on 05/31/2012 11:25:42 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Gaffer
Educating and inspiring future generations is the one of the most important jobs. Not only in terms of book smarts, but also in terms of character and social intelligence. Without it, society will simply decay back to an animal state. We neglected education in this country for decades and allowed socialists to use it as their tool. You can see the results of this all around you.

I enjoy teaching and always wanted to do it full-time but at the end of the day my standard of living will be much much poorer. At least for the first 10-20 years. Yes, you usually get a few months off but you’ll be too broke to do anything besides get a part-time job that pays even less. I would maybe teach if I was wealthy enough to not care about the paycheck. The only good teachers I had were those that retired from industry and taught for the noble cause. They were truly inspirational and built their students’ character. But today you can get sued, accused of abuse/harassment, etc. It’s just not worth it.

Part of the problem is that the pay is too low to attract people that are actually valuable. Why would someone with real skills want to teach science or economics starting at $40k and top out at $90k in 30 years? Especially with the life-ending legal issues that can arise from working with kids. It makes much more sense for them to go into industry where they start at a much higher rate and then the sky is the limit.

The low pay ensures:

-Mostly incompetent people end up teaching real subjects. The ones with bad grades, those that couldn’t pass an interview or those that were booted from industry.

-A greater emphasis on subjects that don’t have any jobs outside the education system (the “studies”). Basically a pyramid scheme that depends on an increasing number of students wanting to become teachers of these useless subjects.

-A greater concentration of people teaching for other reasons – like getting to “know” your kids.

42 posted on 05/31/2012 11:54:39 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: MichCapCon

Of course there is scorn for their profession. It is as expected...the host should always despise the leech, especially when the leech is constantly abusing the host for more blood.

$140K/9=$15.56K*12=$186.67K per year for their equivalent combined income.

Yet, these same fools want me to pay and pay and pay and pay when my household income is 40% of theirs.


43 posted on 05/31/2012 12:08:30 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: sassy steel magnolia

“2. Like any profession, there are good ones and then those who work the system, leach off the taxpayer, and give education a really bad name/smell.”

Very few professions leach off the taxpayers and those few that do are constantly complaining that the blood is not flowing fast enough.

“Gotta point at the administration (at all levels in any school system) and say they are overpaid, overstaffed, not ideal for their roles.”

I agree, the administration costs have skyrocketed and are largely unnecessary. However, a large majority of the teachers want to be in those positions, so ultimately they support having such a bloated administration.


44 posted on 05/31/2012 1:24:01 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: All

I heard someone say this a long time ago. If you want to clean it up a bit change it to “baby’s thermometer”.


45 posted on 05/31/2012 4:35:02 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Terry Mross

Bookmark


46 posted on 05/31/2012 6:57:27 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Hodar

“and a greater mass of unprofessional whiners you will never meet. Nothing is good enough, nothing pays them enough and no retirement is ‘satisfactory’.”

If you REALLY want to be shocked, you should get to know some government bureaucrats;)


47 posted on 06/10/2012 11:12:50 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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