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Posted on 05/31/2012 11:40:44 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell
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I have the feeling that things will take very unusual and unexpected directions soon after the party conventions, if not even before then. Without going into much detail, because I really don’t know any details, I figure that the current situation looks and feels suspiciously like the “end times” and that both of these major candidates could be tossed overboard by their parties in the middle of a developing global crisis, for various reasons. Some influential Democrats, for example Bill Clinton, seem increasingly convinced that Obama is a weak link. I am not even convinced that Obama will be nominated. Meanwhile, Romney may be just the right person to fit into this scenario for good or for mischief, depending on what those details are.
Could be entirely wrong and this may just turn out to be business as usual — but there’s a feeling of the other shoe being about to drop, in a world where not much would need to happen to launch a major crisis (some would say, isn’t this already a major crisis? ... but I mean something far more dramatic than this mess).
Au contraire. Your post is very well thought out and logical.
“Ron Paul is not going to run, thats 100%. The reason, his son is a Republican Senator who he wants to have a future.”
I've thought this all along. And I'd rather have Rand Paul as VP than Jeb or Huckabee (although there are many other people I'd rather see as VP than Rand Paul).
“Im not making a pitch for Romney I hate the guy but to make a much better analogy stolen from another freeper its like helping Stalin beat Hitler in WW2.”
Either Romney or Obama is going to get elected in November, it's as simple as that.
Stalin vs. Hitler...my mind wanders...
I've always thought of a scenario in which the defeat of both Germany and Japan carry out as they did. Then the Allies (minus the Soviets) unite and using the defeated Nazis as the spearhead, Russia is attacked from the West. Toss in a second front from the East (after Japan is dispatched) and the Soviets would have been in the same scenario the Nazis were in - a war on two fronts. With no one to supply them and the US having “the bomb”, Soviet Communism could have been defeated right then and there.
I know that Rommel that thought of the possibility of uniting with the Allies and militarily it could have worked quite well. IIRC, Patton also thought of uniting with the defeated European Axis powers was workable.
The 1980s movie Patton's Last Days was replayed on cable last week where he get’s slapped down for suggesting such a thing.
Politically it was not possible at the time. The US had spent much political capital for years both making out the USSR as heroes and Nazi Germany as demons. The Katyn Forest massacre by the USSR had been played down in the US and the US factories had been arming the USSR for years. The US government under Roosevelt was loaded with American communists sympathetic to the USSR.
Hollywood made a US movie The North Star 1943 that depicted USSR socialist small town peasants overrun by Nazi's as patriotic heroes fighting them as the resistance behind the lines. Later during the Cold War this movie became unpopular.(I found a free copy on the internet and watched it again the past year.)
So with all of the above the American voter would not understood that all their relatives in the military, many of them who sacrificed greatly, were suddenly going to attack those they were told were helping us all those years. They wanted the troops home in 1945, VE and VJ. The wake-up day was when the USSR announced that had the bomb, which they stole from us,
I've long suspected that Patton was killed for wanting to take on the USSR. Call me a tinfoil wearer, but it's what I believe.
“Politically it was not possible at the time.”
I completely agree. I think of a line from the Orson Welles film “The Stranger” where a Nazi is described as “still having the stench of burnt bodies” on his clothes; no way would those types be fighting along side (or in front of) the Stars and Stripes (at least not openly). Although, Nuremburg could have been effectively canceled if those ghouls were thrown back in against the Soviets - I highly doubt they would have survived a second time against them. "Herr Hess, you have two choices: take this Mauser and attack the East or you get hung in five minutes."
“They wanted the troops home in 1945, VE and VJ. The wake-up day was when the USSR announced that had the bomb, which they stole from us,”
Of course! And since we don't have the luxury of a crystal ball, I doubt most folks saw Korea and Vietman on the horizon, which cost us another 110,000+ American lives and countless more casualties.
In the end, Patton was right in a military sense - we should have fought them then why we had the troops there (and were the sole owners of “the bomb”). Politically, it couldn't happen.
I erred, the quote was: still having the stench of burnt flesh.
“In the end, Patton was right in a military sense - we should have fought them then why we had the troops there (and were the sole owners of the bomb). Politically, it couldn’t happen.”
In the end, Patton was right in a military sense - we should have fought them when we had the troops there (and were the sole owners of the bomb). Politically, it couldn’t happen.
I'm worried about the spineless weasels who slam other FReepers who refuse to sellout and vote for a liberal.
That is just downright treasonous.
Indeed, voting for mitt or obama is treasonous.
As much as I dislike Romney, I would take any non Communist over Obumbo
And mitt is NOT a non-communist, but you're in luck - Virgil Goode is not only non-communist, he's Conservative.
I remember a scene in McArthur where he told the Soviet military leader that if the USSR tried any of that funny business in Japan that they did in Europe that he would arrest their whole USSR diplomatic staff. Eventually Truman fired him over Korea.
Patton and McArthur both wondered why we fought in WWII just to let communists pick up the spoils, but as Republicans learned the hard way (OK maybe just a few did), you need the voters’s support in wars to win.
“Patton and McArthur both wondered why we fought in WWII just to let communists pick up the spoils, but as Republicans learned the hard way (OK maybe just a few did), you need the voterss support in wars to win.”
Hitler was so arrogant and stupid. We are very fortunate, if he had avoided just a few of his worst blunders things could have gone a lot worse.
“Inside the Mind of Adolf Hitler” is on the Military Channel right now (8:44 PM EDT).
And yes, if he wasn’t so arrogant and stupid, Germany would have conquered Europe at a minimum.
The big “If ”
Reminds me of :
What if? What if Europeans stopped Germany from rearming in the early 1930s? What if Truman stopped the Chinese communists takeover in 1948? What if Johnson had invaded North Vietnam in the mid 1960s? What if G H.W. Bush (SR) refused to raise taxes in 1990? We all have our favorite historical What if? to dream about. Well what if Trump actually ran for President?
The Dream of a President kick butts Trump (or If only Trump ran.. )
And what if Sarah Palin ran for POTUS? What if?
I caught the replay at 10 central.
Maybe if he his daddy was nicer there’d be more Jewish people alive today. I don’t how much of that Fruedian stuff is BS.
I can’t believe I never heard that it was alleged he had his niece pee on him. And he never did Eva Braun? I don’t know. Maybe they did it on the floor.
Yes, the Military Chanel has become the Nazi Channel.
“Maybe if he his daddy was nicer thered be more Jewish people alive today. I dont how much of that Fruedian stuff is BS.”
Interesting that he supposedly loved a Jewish woman in Vienna and that the family doctor that was interviewed was Jewish. And then, there's the rumor that the family had Jewish ancestors. And there were many Jews, half-Jews and quarter-Jews that were allowed to remain in the Germany military for WW2 and at least one of them was tried at Nuremberg. Check out the “Nazi Collaborators” show on...wait for it...the Miltary Channel, one episode covered Jews that fought for Germany.
Wasn't Freud a junkie? His theories certainly sound like the ramblings of a doper...or a master falconer...or both.
“I cant believe I never heard that it was alleged he had his niece pee on him. And he never did Eva Braun? I dont know. Maybe they did it on the floor.”
IIRC, Penthouse had the pee story back in the early/mid 1980’s (I might have viewed said magazine as a minor). There's another Nazi show on the Military Channel that interviewed Von Ribentrop’s secretary who was adamant that Hitler and Braun boinked.
” as Republicans learned the hard way (OK maybe just a few did), you need the voterss support in wars to win. “
As we learned in Viet Nam.
“As we learned in Viet Nam.”
“Interesting that he supposedly loved a Jewish woman”
Maybe he pulled a Jason Biggs in American Pie and she laughed at him.
I find it unlikely he didn’t have normal sex even if he also liked to be peed on by his tubby niece, obviously when you want to smear someone the first thing you do is say they’re weirdo pervs.
One thing I don’t have trouble believing, that he was scared of syphilis. That would explain why didn’t have a different girl every day like normal dictators. Too bad he didn’t live to see AIDS, so we could have injected him with it.
Very interesting that he was pegged as a future suicide.
“I find it unlikely he didnt have normal sex even if he also liked to be peed on by his tubby niece, obviously when you want to smear someone the first thing you do is say theyre weirdo pervs.”
“One thing I dont have trouble believing, that he was scared of syphilis. That would explain why didnt have a different girl every day like normal dictators. Too bad he didnt live to see AIDS, so we could have injected him with it.”
Can you imagine living in a world where the worst VD “out there” was syphilis? I WISH that's all we had to worry about these days...
Interesting thought about injecting him with AIDS. I'd vote for the proper “injection”, if you know what I mean.
“Very interesting that he was pegged as a future suicide.”
He didn't want to end up like Ole Benito.
Ron Paul will never be elected president. If you wish to waste your vote, go right ahead, but that’s what you’ll be doing.
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