Skip to comments.What Did Savannah Guthrie Really See?
Posted on 06/11/2012 1:56:00 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome
Now that it's been established that Barack Obama's long-form "birth certificate" originated as a digitally created forgery, we are left to ponder: how was the paper certificate of which NBC News reporter Savannah Guthrie took pictures created?
A reasonable assumption would be that the forgery was created in Hawaii by conspirators, or, possibly without the president's knowledge, by pranksters in the Hawaii Department of Health, or as a Republican dirty trick designed to blow up a week or two before the November elections -- then the printed image was copied onto real security paper and embossed with a real seal before being sent by courier to the White House.
Another reasonable assumption would be that the digital fake was created by the White House, then electronically sent to Hawaii for the creation of the paper document by complicit Hawaiian officials.
But is this really what happened? Let's review what we know:
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
This is important to note, I think.
Look at the fonts on the AP version. It clearly shows things that can’t be seen in the White house Pdf.
The linked article raises the question as to how the embossed seal was made on the copy that Savanna Churchill was able to feel and photograph, assuming that was a color laser printout of the digital forgery.
That’s easily answered. Just search for “notary seal” on eBay and you will see dozens of seal embossers for sale. Of course, none of these will have the official State of Hawaii seal.
She had access to that document only for a moment, and being of the MSM, she had a predisposition of faith to believe anything that the Obama administration claimed.
It’s quite likely that in her joy at being able to help Obama prove that he was truly what he said he was, and her pride in being the one chosen to actually touch the holy document, she had no inclination to carefully examine the embossing to verify that the correct markings were there. Her focus was on the printed information, only noting parenthetically that the seal was present.
If that was a genuine, officially embossed document straight from the archives in Hawaii, the administration would have had no problem allowing any and all reporters at the event to have access to the document.
There’s a reason why only one person got to examine that document, and that person was carefully chosen.
another year, another forgery, thanks for the ping.
What are the odds that IF there are elections this year and 0bama is not re-elected, that the names Fuddy and Fukino show up on the pardons list?
“Savannah Guthrie (along with the other reporters, and the public at large) was the victim of a classic “bait-and-switch” scam.”
Hard to be taken as a serious reporter when she doesn’t even look critically or objectively at the purported evidence being provided to her for sole examination. I want to believe...
She works for NBC. What more do you need to know?
Given the Clinton's long record of digging up dirt on political enemies, I always thought they would have found what ever irregularities there were about Obama's birth and released them in the 2008 campaign. However, the revelations just released about Obama's cannabis fueled high school days would I think have been on the Clinton's radar in 2008 unless they had been deeply hidden. Perhaps Hillary was so confident she would roll over political unknown Obama in 2008 they neglected to do their dirt digging until it was too late. However, I would bet Clinton operatives have now done their home work and may have a bombshell or two waiting for the right moment. If Obama continues to badly falter and there is a general consensus that November will be a disaster for Democrats, Hillary might release her bombshell at least to inner party officials and sink Obama at the convention or less likely blackmail Obama into "choosing" not to seek reelection.
Leave the birth certificate issue be. Go after his college transcripts.
Just ask why if he wants to be the most transparent president in history, he gets more secretive by the day? Is it paranoia? Add that to the leaks, the narcissism, the incompetence and get that to go viral.
Now you can circle back.
That's easy. As long as the 2-D image of the seal is on the document, you merely flip it on a light table, and use a fine tipped embossing stylus...
...to raise the image on the front side. While this would not fool an experienced document examiner, it would be adequate to snooker a casual observer, or somebody really stupid, like a reporter.
And if there is irrefutable proof that he was born in Kenya or elsewhere, what then? NOTHING! We haven't got the politicians (and never will) that have the intestinal fortitude to go after him. He will never be dethroned by this, therefore no "justice".
You are just chasing your tail.
Obama didn’t release his first forgery until AFTER Hillary conceded the primary. He wanted to be sure she was in a position to be cast as a sore loser or as crazy if she thought about challenging him on this issue. Second, she would have had no way of knowing he was going to release forged/amended credentials. There was still some tension between the two camps, but it got soothed over by the promise to pay off some of her campaign debts and to give her the SOS job.
This is a problem. Many Americans respect and want to uphold the Constitution, but our elected politicians may not want to, especially when it comes to the eligibility clause. I’m pretty sure both parties have suggested amending this clause or trying to create statutory work-arounds. Now they’ve figured out they can just mutually ignore the clause and/or lie about the eligibility requirement in order to muddy the issue. What this doesn’t address, however, is criminal fraud which has been committed by the current occupant. None of these issues should be ignored, and somehow, we have to have a way to hold these politicians more accountable.
Who's to say he won't forge them too?
Don't give him a pass on anything.
In fact the Breitbart folks uncovered irrefutable proof that at the very least Obama claimed to have been born in Kenya in the literary agent's official bio of him. However he has still has not been asked to explain where that information could possibly have come from in the first place except from him. The much maligned "birthers" have been proved correct. Ball is in Obama's court.
Agree with you. Obama could murder someone on live TV and, even if the House impeached him, the Senate would not convict.
As someone said earlier, the BC issue will never get to the Supreme Court. Therefore rehashing it over and over isn’t going to make much of a difference.
Now the college transcripts are different because the Goracle opened up Bush’s transcripts in 2000. Of course that proved fruitless since Gore was even dumber than Bush.
Point is, the RATS opened up college transcripts for public interest. Going after Obama for them is legitimate. Plus him shutting that down begs the question of why?
Now it becomes something.
“Give it a rest ...... knock yourselves out.”
It appears that we can agree that there is something very seriously deficient in our politicians and political system to have these issues/questions still unresolved. However, I disagree that it is like someone, as myself, chasing their tail. For me it is more like chasing, with evidence, the tail of an animal that would destroy my property. Obama is to our Constitution like a fox getting into the hen house. You don’t just let the fox keep doing it’s scavenging if in any way it is possible to stop it’
You don’t think anyone’s tried to get those transcripts already?
Columbia and Harvard probably have the same policy as the state of Hawaii-they won’t let anything out unless Obama approves the release.
If transcripts are released, they will come from Obama. So, if there’s anything damaging there, you can be sure they will be thoroughly sanitized before you see them.
But on the subject of Obama’s college years, a listing of students graduating from Columbia surfaced recently, and Obama’s name was there for all to see.
What was interesting, was that some names had single asterisks next to them, and some had double asterisks. Obama had none.
When I graduated from high school, the single asterisk designated an honors graduate (top 10% of the class) and the double asterisk designated a high honors graduate (top 5% of the class).
I have no idea whether Columbia used that same system, but if so, that means Obama wasn’t a stellar student, and that would make one wonder how he managed to get into Harvard Law School, which only takes the best candidates.
So, yes, I agree that this is a valid area for investigation, but I think the chances of anything coming out that could force Obama out of office are vanishingly small.
Maybe this is all a waste of time, but so is watching TV. It’s my choice to make.
Columbia and Harvard probably have the same policy as the state of Hawaii-they wont let anything out unless Obama approves the release
Been tried. See this thread, among others.
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