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What Did Savannah Guthrie Really See?
American Thinker ^ | June 11, 2012 | Nick Chase

Posted on 06/11/2012 1:56:00 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome

Now that it's been established that Barack Obama's long-form "birth certificate" originated as a digitally created forgery, we are left to ponder: how was the paper certificate of which NBC News reporter Savannah Guthrie took pictures created?

A reasonable assumption would be that the forgery was created in Hawaii by conspirators, or, possibly without the president's knowledge, by pranksters in the Hawaii Department of Health, or as a Republican dirty trick designed to blow up a week or two before the November elections -- then the printed image was copied onto real security paper and embossed with a real seal before being sent by courier to the White House.

Another reasonable assumption would be that the digital fake was created by the White House, then electronically sent to Hawaii for the creation of the paper document by complicit Hawaiian officials.

But is this really what happened? Let's review what we know:

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; birftards; elections; naturalborncitizen; obama
Goodly number of moving parts here, for those tracking the HDOH role in this debacle.
1 posted on 06/11/2012 1:56:13 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome
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To: LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; null and void; butterdezillion; Fred Nerks
HDOH In-On-the-Scam Ping!


2 posted on 06/11/2012 2:00:46 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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"In either case, there is no way a copier or camera would be sensitive enough to pick up this second-page image while failing to pick up a security-paper background covering the first page, if one were present. Thus, the computer printout of the digital forgery, which was the source document for the copies being made, was engineered to remove the security-paper background as much as possible."

This is important to note, I think.

3 posted on 06/11/2012 2:18:13 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Look at the fonts on the AP version. It clearly shows things that can’t be seen in the White house Pdf.

http://youtu.be/XuyV7V853kk


4 posted on 06/11/2012 2:25:24 AM PDT by chatter4
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...

HDOH In-On-the-Scam


5 posted on 06/11/2012 2:50:43 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

The linked article raises the question as to how the embossed seal was made on the copy that Savanna Churchill was able to feel and photograph, assuming that was a color laser printout of the digital forgery.

That’s easily answered. Just search for “notary seal” on eBay and you will see dozens of seal embossers for sale. Of course, none of these will have the official State of Hawaii seal.

She had access to that document only for a moment, and being of the MSM, she had a predisposition of faith to believe anything that the Obama administration claimed.

It’s quite likely that in her joy at being able to help Obama prove that he was truly what he said he was, and her pride in being the one chosen to actually touch the holy document, she had no inclination to carefully examine the embossing to verify that the correct markings were there. Her focus was on the printed information, only noting parenthetically that the seal was present.

If that was a genuine, officially embossed document straight from the archives in Hawaii, the administration would have had no problem allowing any and all reporters at the event to have access to the document.

There’s a reason why only one person got to examine that document, and that person was carefully chosen.


6 posted on 06/11/2012 2:53:30 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Fresh Wind

bingo


7 posted on 06/11/2012 3:12:55 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: Fresh Wind
"If that was a genuine, officially embossed document straight from the archives in Hawaii, the administration would have had no problem allowing any and all reporters at the event to have access to the document."

Money.

8 posted on 06/11/2012 3:15:25 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Give it a rest. I can't believe that this is still being talked about since NOTHING will ever come out of it. But, if it helps some people make it through the day, knock yourselves out. (please)
9 posted on 06/11/2012 4:24:32 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: submarinerswife
Maybe some of us would prefer chasing justice, rather than running from it.

If we do knock ourselves out, - - it will be for your own good.
10 posted on 06/11/2012 4:32:34 AM PDT by trailz
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

another year, another forgery, thanks for the ping.


11 posted on 06/11/2012 4:52:56 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (')
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

What are the odds that IF there are elections this year and 0bama is not re-elected, that the names Fuddy and Fukino show up on the pardons list?


12 posted on 06/11/2012 5:38:36 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: All

“Savannah Guthrie (along with the other reporters, and the public at large) was the victim of a classic “bait-and-switch” scam.”

Hard to be taken as a serious reporter when she doesn’t even look critically or objectively at the purported evidence being provided to her for sole examination. I want to believe...


13 posted on 06/11/2012 6:08:48 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

She works for NBC. What more do you need to know?


14 posted on 06/11/2012 6:12:19 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
It is clear the birth document the White House released has been digitally altered and we may never know what is on the original. All the secrecy about Obama's birth certificate simply means that there is something on it that would be damaging if not damning if released.

Given the Clinton's long record of digging up dirt on political enemies, I always thought they would have found what ever irregularities there were about Obama's birth and released them in the 2008 campaign. However, the revelations just released about Obama's cannabis fueled high school days would I think have been on the Clinton's radar in 2008 unless they had been deeply hidden. Perhaps Hillary was so confident she would roll over political unknown Obama in 2008 they neglected to do their dirt digging until it was too late. However, I would bet Clinton operatives have now done their home work and may have a bombshell or two waiting for the right moment. If Obama continues to badly falter and there is a general consensus that November will be a disaster for Democrats, Hillary might release her bombshell at least to inner party officials and sink Obama at the convention or less likely blackmail Obama into "choosing" not to seek reelection.

15 posted on 06/11/2012 6:13:43 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Fresh Wind

Leave the birth certificate issue be. Go after his college transcripts.

Just ask why if he wants to be the most transparent president in history, he gets more secretive by the day? Is it paranoia? Add that to the leaks, the narcissism, the incompetence and get that to go viral.

Now you can circle back.


16 posted on 06/11/2012 6:14:58 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Fresh Wind
"The linked article raises the question as to how the embossed seal was made..."

That's easy. As long as the 2-D image of the seal is on the document, you merely flip it on a light table, and use a fine tipped embossing stylus...

...to raise the image on the front side. While this would not fool an experienced document examiner, it would be adequate to snooker a casual observer, or somebody really stupid, like a reporter.

17 posted on 06/11/2012 6:15:46 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
An unwitting co-conspirator?


18 posted on 06/11/2012 6:56:28 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: trailz
Maybe some of us would prefer chasing justice, rather than running from it.

And if there is irrefutable proof that he was born in Kenya or elsewhere, what then? NOTHING! We haven't got the politicians (and never will) that have the intestinal fortitude to go after him. He will never be dethroned by this, therefore no "justice".

You are just chasing your tail.

19 posted on 06/11/2012 7:07:34 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: The Great RJ

Obama didn’t release his first forgery until AFTER Hillary conceded the primary. He wanted to be sure she was in a position to be cast as a sore loser or as crazy if she thought about challenging him on this issue. Second, she would have had no way of knowing he was going to release forged/amended credentials. There was still some tension between the two camps, but it got soothed over by the promise to pay off some of her campaign debts and to give her the SOS job.


20 posted on 06/11/2012 7:11:30 AM PDT by edge919
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To: submarinerswife

This is a problem. Many Americans respect and want to uphold the Constitution, but our elected politicians may not want to, especially when it comes to the eligibility clause. I’m pretty sure both parties have suggested amending this clause or trying to create statutory work-arounds. Now they’ve figured out they can just mutually ignore the clause and/or lie about the eligibility requirement in order to muddy the issue. What this doesn’t address, however, is criminal fraud which has been committed by the current occupant. None of these issues should be ignored, and somehow, we have to have a way to hold these politicians more accountable.


21 posted on 06/11/2012 7:16:58 AM PDT by edge919
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Leave the birth certificate issue be. Go after his college transcripts.

Who's to say he won't forge them too?

Don't give him a pass on anything.

22 posted on 06/11/2012 7:19:20 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: submarinerswife
And if there is irrefutable proof that he was born in Kenya or elsewhere, what then? NOTHING!

In fact the Breitbart folks uncovered irrefutable proof that at the very least Obama claimed to have been born in Kenya in the literary agent's official bio of him. However he has still has not been asked to explain where that information could possibly have come from in the first place except from him. The much maligned "birthers" have been proved correct. Ball is in Obama's court.

23 posted on 06/11/2012 7:24:52 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: submarinerswife

Agree with you. Obama could murder someone on live TV and, even if the House impeached him, the Senate would not convict.


24 posted on 06/11/2012 7:41:49 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Fresh Wind

As someone said earlier, the BC issue will never get to the Supreme Court. Therefore rehashing it over and over isn’t going to make much of a difference.

Now the college transcripts are different because the Goracle opened up Bush’s transcripts in 2000. Of course that proved fruitless since Gore was even dumber than Bush.

Point is, the RATS opened up college transcripts for public interest. Going after Obama for them is legitimate. Plus him shutting that down begs the question of why?

Now it becomes something.


25 posted on 06/11/2012 8:03:10 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: submarinerswife

“Give it a rest ...... knock yourselves out.”

Passive-Aggressive much?


26 posted on 06/11/2012 8:43:35 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: submarinerswife

It appears that we can agree that there is something very seriously deficient in our politicians and political system to have these issues/questions still unresolved. However, I disagree that it is like someone, as myself, chasing their tail. For me it is more like chasing, with evidence, the tail of an animal that would destroy my property. Obama is to our Constitution like a fox getting into the hen house. You don’t just let the fox keep doing it’s scavenging if in any way it is possible to stop it’


27 posted on 06/11/2012 9:43:32 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You don’t think anyone’s tried to get those transcripts already?

Columbia and Harvard probably have the same policy as the state of Hawaii-they won’t let anything out unless Obama approves the release.

If transcripts are released, they will come from Obama. So, if there’s anything damaging there, you can be sure they will be thoroughly sanitized before you see them.

But on the subject of Obama’s college years, a listing of students graduating from Columbia surfaced recently, and Obama’s name was there for all to see.

What was interesting, was that some names had single asterisks next to them, and some had double asterisks. Obama had none.

When I graduated from high school, the single asterisk designated an honors graduate (top 10% of the class) and the double asterisk designated a high honors graduate (top 5% of the class).

I have no idea whether Columbia used that same system, but if so, that means Obama wasn’t a stellar student, and that would make one wonder how he managed to get into Harvard Law School, which only takes the best candidates.

So, yes, I agree that this is a valid area for investigation, but I think the chances of anything coming out that could force Obama out of office are vanishingly small.

Maybe this is all a waste of time, but so is watching TV. It’s my choice to make.


28 posted on 06/11/2012 9:52:17 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: submarinerswife
Principles aren't based on the height of the hurdle.

Sorry, no sliding scale here . . .
29 posted on 06/11/2012 11:54:09 AM PDT by trailz
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To: Fresh Wind
You don’t think anyone’s tried to get those transcripts already?

Columbia and Harvard probably have the same policy as the state of Hawaii-they won’t let anything out unless Obama approves the release

Been tried. See this thread, among others.

30 posted on 06/11/2012 12:07:28 PM PDT by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: Smokeyblue
"Passive-Aggressive much?"

+1

31 posted on 06/11/2012 4:50:19 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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