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Obama's family fraudulent identity.
Myself | June 11, 2012 | Myself

Posted on 06/11/2012 5:41:04 AM PDT by plenipotentiary

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To: Fred Nerks

Class of 1960 means a 1960 GRADUATION year. Two years junior high and Four years of high school =

Two years junior high 1954-1955,1955-1956

1956 -57 grade 9 1957 -58 grade 10 1958 -59 grade 11 1959 -60 grade 12

That’s correct, its the way they did it back then.

The problem occurs when one looks at either a yearbook or a separate class picture for someone that would normally not be there.

If somebody graduated in 1960 then they would be in the loose 1960 group picture and in the 1960 yearbook.

They’d show up in previous years’ yearbooks and previous year’s group pictures.

Its time to start investigating when they AREN’T where they should be....


151 posted on 06/15/2012 3:16:08 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

There are no BOOKS, just group images from classes junior high through to grade 10, the students appear to be shown in groups with names in the EARLY ALPHABET. All students have NOT been identified, it’s impossible after so many years.
Again, there are no books. Just individual class photographs. Researchers are still working on the ID of the students in the various class groups.
Maybe it would have been better if I hadn’t mentioned it. Let’s wait and see what the final analysis is.


152 posted on 06/15/2012 3:18:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Year eight should not be in with class of 1960.
Same for years nine and ten.


153 posted on 06/15/2012 3:27:45 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Fred Nerks

“To: Fantasywriter

I have three group images of the class of 1960,years eight of high school through to year 10 in which Maxine and a couple of other ‘classmates’ are shown,but there is no Stanley Ann Dunham in all three of them. She should be there. The groups are A.B.C.D. of the alphabet. WHERE IS STANLEY ANN DUNHAM?

It looks like Maxine knew her until some time in 1958. After that,there’s no sign of her.

TO DATE THERE’S BEEN NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF SAD AT MERCER ISLAND HIGH SCHOOL. GET BACK TO ME IF YOU FIND IT.”

87 posted on 06/14/2012 6:19:02 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies | R

This post #87 wasn’t clear about what year went with what picture, but you have cleared it up in your latest one.

Many many thanks, and do keep on it :) I am glad that you did bring it up.


154 posted on 06/15/2012 3:38:29 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Fantasywriter; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
OK, fair enough, Let's look at the issues you raise.

Your two strongest points are the weak points in the argument on the other side. In the case of the High School issue, it probably doesn't make a difference; in the case of Stanley the mother, I know facts I can't put on the record that I think are convincing to the point that someone else is the mother and she fits perfectly with Malcolm the father. That part of the record will come out in due course.

Just yesterday you explained that SAD probably left Mercer Island HS following her junior year. I went looking for evidence, and discovered none. I.e.: no evidence exists that anyone in SAD’s senior class remarked on her year-long absence. Why was this not investigated prior to my poking around in it? Why, furthermore, was I savaged for making this ‘discovery’ [which should not, at this point, have been a discovery at all; it should have been old, familiar ground to all adherents of your theory].

I hope I didn't say she probably left following her junior year.

What I said is that there is a fair amount of evidence that she attended Mercer Island High School at some earlier point. There is no evidence she graduated from Mercer Island and I don't even think you find Box or Close telling you she did. The three of them put her "in their class" but the point at which she actually concluded her Mercer Island period is an open question.

The fact that there is no real conclusive evidence coupled with the fact that there are a number of pictures putting her together with members of the class in purported Senior activities which pictures are clearly photoshop fakes makes you skeptical that she was really there in 1960. The position that she was would have been better served if there were no pictures.

She clearly wasn't a prominent person in the class. So the fact that fifty years later, the fact that most of the surviving members of the class don't remember her much less whether she was there or not in her senior year doesn't surprise you, one way or the other.

The people who claim to remember her at the end are committed Liberals who are part of the story themselves so I tend to discount their testimony. I think it is going to turn out that as to at least two of the prominent ones, they in fact participated in the events of Barry's first appearance.

But at the end of the day, the earliest date I think reasonable for Barry's birth is July of 1960--plenty of time for her to have graduated from Mercer Island in June and become a participant in the perceived events of his arrival. And my own view about the course of events at present, subject to further discovery, is that what really happened is that she got the Au Pair job with his parents sometime in the spring of 1961 when she was working in Chicago.

Either way, whether or not she finished Mercer Island in 1960 is irrelevant.

The Stanley the mother issue is sort of in the same category. If Malcolm the father were his primary political exposure, it really wouldn't make any difference that Barry was conceived in a one night stand with Stanley. We ignore that question now because we have access that identifies another person as the mother who fits with the Malcolm the father story.

And there is some evidence on the Stanley the mother question also. For one thing, Rick Anderson, married to one of Barry's Cousins and in possession of direct evidence writes in the Seattle Weekly: "Meanwhile, Obama's mother, whose parents Madelyn and Stanley Dunham had moved here from Kansas a decade earlier, left Mercer Island in 1960. But she returned to live in Seattle around 1962, after Barack was born in August 1961, leaving her husband, Kenya-born Barack Sr., and his newborn namesake in Hawaii."

This is an October 22, 2008 story, published long before the Charlette story and the fake exchange with "Lief". Anderson's story was the first effort to convert Anna Toutonghi Obama in Seattle to Stanley Ann Dunham in Seattle as a student with Barry.

Anderson, his wife, both families knew perfectly well that Anna Toutonghi had dumped Obama Senior and BHO 2 when she left them in Hawaii--everyone knew and understood that the baby had been left in Honolulu and was never taken to Seattle.

At that time, the Charlette events were concocted because it was recognized that a story that had Stanley delivering Barry on August 4, 1961 and dumping him to start school in Seattle in September was not a credible story. Jerry Corsi figured out the holes in that story at a very early stage.

Neither is Stanley a credible mother in the story Barry tells in the Time Magazine article in which he goes to Indonesia at age two and a half in 1963, leaving Stanley attending school in Honolulu for three years from 1963 to 1966.

The absence of any acquaintance with the putative father is also a problem for the Stanley the mother fairy tale. The only Anna with Obama Senior in Hawaii was Anna Toutonghi Obama (Anne USA at the Nachmanoff's). The story about Stanley in the Russian class is a pure fake--there is no evidence anywhere of any nature that Stanley ever met Senior before Christmas 1970.

One of the reasons I tend to be skeptical of the birth in New York record is that if that is where it happened, they could have converted the mother to Stanley much more readily than for the Hawaii birth story; at that point they say, "ok Malcolm was his father; so what?"

Stanley's PhD is also irrelevant. The circumstances behind her thesis are a little sketch but I don't think that argument is material or relevant to the central issues here. She got the PhD; the fact she got it is irrelevant whatever she did to get it.

Finally, your argument about investigation is also a little silly. Barry's forces have spent somewhere in the ten to twelve million dollar range hiding the facts; resisting disclosure; creating fraudulent documents; and otherwise seeking to keep anyone from finding out what the true story is behind his origin.

So the idea that a bunch of amateur volunteers are going to get through to the facts is not realistic.

Fortuitous events have apparently produced the identity of the true mother and there is now widespread knowledge out there of who she is and what the circumstances were.

Mr. Trump may be bringing some real resources to discovery of the rest of the story.

155 posted on 06/15/2012 4:33:06 PM PDT by David
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To: WildHighlander57
Here is the problem w their scenario. They are positing that an established female teen member of an island community could suddenly disappear and no one would notice or comment on that fact. I.e.: SAD attended Mercer High for several yrs. No one has ever gone on record saying SAD informed them of plans to skip her senior yr. In fact, everyone on the record says just the opposite.

But the people pushing the particular conspiracy noted in this thread say otherwise. They claim SAD disappeared off the face of the earth, and not one single solitary soul on Mercer Island thought to comment on that fact.

Even more incredibly, they see nothing unusual in people who know SAD never graduated [according to the theory] pretending that she did. I.e.: in subsequent years Mercer Island and the entire state of Washington have fetishized SAD’s graduation from Mercer Island HS. A scholarship has been established in SAD’s name, AS A Graduate of that school. She is cited in the official encyclopedia of WA State history AS a grad of Mercer High—and no one is on record disputing that fact. I.e.: no one has stepped forward and said, ‘It's nice to deify SAD this way, but here's the catch. She was absent for her entire senior yr, and she didn't graduate w the rest of her class in the official ceremony.’

It is nothing short of psychotic, to believe an entire state would celebrate the graduation of a person who never graduated. ***Somebody*** on that island and/or in that graduating class would have pointed out the obvious yrs ago—and almost certainly not just one somebody either. Dozens of them.

For instance, I know of a girl who was absent for most of her senior yr. She did, however, show up for graduation...w a small baby in tow. You think we didn't notice? [Well, I only heard about it up to the night of graduation, having taken early admission into college. But the point is, I heard plenty, and yes, I *did* notice when she suddenly reappeared for the cap and gown ceremony, baby in arms.]

Then there is the BA SAD earned from the U of HI. Those aren't awarded to HS dropouts, not sans a GED, anyway. Where is the evidence SAD earned a GED? It's nonexistent. But we're just supposed to believe it happened.

The entire thing is absurd. If SAD had missed a whole yr of HS, someone would have noticed. If she were celebrated statewide as a grad of a schl she never graduated from, someone would comment on the disconnect.

And the biggest kicker of all: the this theory were true, its proponents wouldn't have to a t t a c k and demonize anyone who points out the obvious. They would have cogent, plausible explanations for the issues raised above.

But they don't.

156 posted on 06/15/2012 4:46:04 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: David

Your post failed to respond to the core issue I raised, but thanks again for maintaining a measured tone. That’s so much more than others who subscribe to your theory have done.


157 posted on 06/15/2012 4:55:51 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

The State of Hawaii is complicit with forgery and manipulation of all kinds of documentation, on a grand scale. All kinds of lies and liars working together - the newspapers, the DoH, their representatives, and so on. The WA state did she graduate or not is small scale compared to what’s gone on in HI.


158 posted on 06/15/2012 5:00:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

You are preaching to the choir when it comes to HI corruption and complicity. I have been making that case for going on two yrs now.


159 posted on 06/15/2012 5:11:27 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: WildHighlander57

I do not understand what you are saying.

Class of 1960 graduated at GRADE 12.

I am referring to group images of GRADES seven, eight nine and ten, which I take it includes two years of junior high for the Class of 1960.

I do not have GRADES 11 OR 12. So I do not have groups for the years 1958-1959 or 1959-1960.

Let’s drop it. I’ll post the results when they are to hand.


160 posted on 06/15/2012 5:19:59 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fantasywriter

The correlation is that if WA state is colluding with hiding what SAD did or her whereabouts, it’s small scale - easy peasy - compared to the HI corruption and lies.

So it’s not reasonable to assume that WA State could not possibly have hidden or lied about it.

One of the problems is that there is so much that is just not “there”! There is no “there” there. Emptiness. Lack of documentation, first hand evidence, witnesses, and so on. From my readings of the various research threads since the summer of 2008, and I will admit I read voraciously and like an obssessed person, every single thread I could find, the people doing research just searched to see what they could find, where ever it led, not looking for evidence to support any particular end. They followed leads and evidence no matter where it went - dead ends, surprises, theories shot down or supported, etc.


161 posted on 06/15/2012 5:54:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

No one seems to read my posts. I’m not talking about WA State. I’m talking about someone mentioning the fact that SAD disappeared for a yr and/or failed to graduate. The idea that the school and the state would elevate this to a Rushmore level and not even one person would speak out is absurd. People say they wouldn’t remember, but they would. If SAD had disappeared prior to her senior yr, people would have talked about it THEN. Yrs later, they would simply remember what was said.

As in, when the Cult of SAD-Graduated-From-Mercer-Hi first began, dissenting voices would have been heard. People would have said, ‘Don’t you remember? We all commented on the strangeness of SAD disappearing that yr, and of her failing to graduate.”

To suggest otherwise is to ask others to participate in group psychosis. I won’t/can’t go there.


162 posted on 06/15/2012 6:03:39 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: LucyT; Fred Nerks

163 posted on 06/15/2012 6:15:23 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fantasywriter

I see it differently, although as David mentioned above, it is not that huge of a thing one way or another in the larger scheme of parenthood.

But - consider that no one “remembers” or at least says anything about 0mugabe’s years in Occidental, Columbia (whichever one it was) or Harvard. Dead, eerie silence, other than that Drew fellow who of course the MSM never touched. And in Mercer, far fewer people to have to quieten. I think it would be easy to quiet a few handfuls of people, compared to the very large number of people who know all manner of highly incriminating stuff about 0mugabe and say naught. Doesn’t that make sense?

Plus - maybe I’m not typical, but I barely remember most people from high school; but then I went to a different school every year.


164 posted on 06/15/2012 6:17:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: LucyT; Fred Nerks; David

Port Angeles Evening News, Friday, October 14, 1960, Page 7:

More than 1,400 yearbooks were judged, representing 49 states and overseas schools. The top-ranking ones will be place on display in a Columbia University memorial library.

Schools 301-600 (attendance): Second place-—Isla, Mercer Island High School.


165 posted on 06/15/2012 6:36:20 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: little jeremiah

Well I gave my personal anecdote. There was a girl in our HS who missed much of her senior yr. Gossip? You better believe it! And even now, all these yrs later, I can tell you her name, first and last. [She had a name that sounded so much like a black girl, bless her heart, but she was a redhead covered w freckles.]

If today her out-of-wedlock child became the POTUS, there are so many of us who would remember her story. If the school and/or state tried to pull a fast one, and portray the offspring as from a traditional marriage [for instance] we would speak up. If no one listened, at the very least we would post on blogs and other online venues. The truth would come out.

The idea that SAD disappeared for her entire senior yr from an island community w but a single HS, and no one gossiped is beyond bizarre. If it had happened, they would have talked. That is the way it is at that age.

Nor do I buy the idea that every single one of them could have been silenced. That is an example of making a conspiracy so big and so crazy, it gives the whole eligibility community a bad name. Obama’s people are thugs but they don’t have superpowers. He can’t shut every member of an island community up; he’s just not that god-like.


166 posted on 06/15/2012 6:36:51 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: little jeremiah; Brown Deer

It’s pretty difficult to remember a girl who wasn’t there...but we aren’t asking for much, are we? Just show us the pretty pictures on a page, A FULL PAGE:

http://seattlest.com/2008/01/30/obamas_mixed_an.php

They handle a number of books, but at no time do we see what year the books are from, nor do we see her face on a full page of any book.

NOTE THE BEGINNING. SHE SPENT ONE YEAR IN SEATTLE AND TWO YEARS AT MERCER ISLAND. CLASS OF 1960 GRADUATED IN 1960. CLASSES COMMENCED AT MERCER IN 1956. WHERE WAS SHE AFTER 1958?


167 posted on 06/15/2012 6:51:56 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Brown Deer
...The top-ranking ones will be place on display in a Columbia University memorial library.

So does that mean someone can visit the library and ask to see the yearbooks for Mercer Island? (chuckle)

168 posted on 06/15/2012 7:14:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fantasywriter

Then how could all of 0mugabe’s fellow students at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard - and Punahou - all have been silenced? A much harder task, since there were so many more of them.


169 posted on 06/15/2012 7:15:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

College is not like HS, especially an only HS located on an island. HS is a community. People know ea other. At the beginning of the yr the focus is always on who’s back and who isn’t. Most are back, unless the community is highly transient. When one of the regulars is missing, the question is why. If nobody knows the answer, then speculation runs wild.

College is a bigger place, and at the beginning of the yr most people don’t know ea other. At the end of a semester or two (or more) there are still far more students you don’t know than those you do know, especially at a university. For example, for the 2010 academic year, Columbia University’s student population was 27,606. If one of those students is a pothead who skips a lot of classes, it’s entirely possible few people will remember him.


170 posted on 06/15/2012 7:26:35 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fred Nerks

What do want to bet that the yearbook(s) from Mercer Island are the only missing yearbooks from that display?


171 posted on 06/15/2012 8:43:12 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Tell you what...if anyone can find a genuine 1960 yearbook anywhere that has images of Stanley Ann Dunham on the pages, (not snips with her image inserted between students)I will cheerfully donate a thousand bucks to FR.


172 posted on 06/15/2012 8:53:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: plenipotentiary; WildHighlander57; DiogenesLamp; Bikkuri; Brown Deer; David; Fantasywriter; ...

.

Say, this just arrived in FRmail about graphic at # 145.

>>>>Did notice in your post of Stanley’s BC that the City is tagged as Sedgwick and the County is tagged as Wichita.

Probably a small point, but it should be the reverse. Can’t read the BC. Tagging error?<<<<

Thanks, anonymous.


173 posted on 06/15/2012 10:05:43 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

May be it says

Stanley Armour Dunham Secundus

The more I think about it, Stanley Armour Dunham 1 looked like an egotistical patriarch. He had a son that he named Secundus because he wanted to start a dynasty. The boy died young. Madeleyn Dunham seems to have had difficulty bearing children, as they stopped at the one.

Also, they burned Mum so no DNA check there. Someone just needs to dig up Dad! (joking)

I think DNA checks with Malcolm X Juniors living relatives, both real and alleged, will establish definitively.


174 posted on 06/16/2012 12:40:40 AM PDT by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: LucyT

Also, why can’t we see the field showing the sex of the child? I imagine it says MALE, not female.


175 posted on 06/16/2012 12:50:56 AM PDT by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: SatinDoll
To your #47:

Exactly what in that do you think is "disinformation"? That's actually the state of the record at the moment for people who have been paying attention.

I thought "Fantasywriter" was a good faith, "didn't understand" proposition. His arguments were attacks on what I perceive as the weaker elements of the case as summarized in #46 and above.

Those objections don't really withstand real thought--the circumstances of her PhD; whether she finished school in 1960 at Mercer Island; the Stanley the mother argument; and the fact that no one is out there objecting to the fairy tale about the Mercer Island period don't really affect the analysis.

How she got the PhD; whether she finished school and graduated from Mercer Island or maybe somewhere else; don't make any difference to the fundamental case that Stanley's initial role with Barry was as a glorified baby sitter because Barry's true mother was an active professional in another line of work internationally and neither she nor the father wanted their relationship or their son on the public record.

And it's pretty obvious that even as to the fairy tale, there are clear gaps in the period of her custody of Barry that are inconsistent with the proposition that she was his mother.

In looking at the Mercer Island period, it is easy to overlook the proposition that we are talking about events that happened fifty-two years ago. Vietnam intervened. Many of the people who knew or would have known are dead. To find someone to stand up in the Mercer Island crowd and object, they need to have hard evidence and a very confident accurate memory; and they need to be able to deal with the character of the personal attacks from the Liberal's that are going to follow.

There are a couple of people who have in fact come out but they are uncertain or otherwise soft.

But the uncontroverted facts are that even on the Liberal record, Stanley was not a prominent or well known or well liked person whose most regular personal relationships were with people in the class. Other than the committed Liberals who are part of the program, no one knew her; no one knew she was in the class in the first place--she was a late comer; it isn't clear when she first attended either the High School or one of its feeder schools but it looks as though her first contact with them was in her Sophomore or Junior High of High School so even if she was there to the end, she was an insert that nobody knew.

And Mercer Island is a highly stratified society--the movers at the High School are son's and daughters of influential people who themselves grew up to be members of an influential Liberal social order. Stanley's father was a furniture salesman and she was really out of the Mercer Island league so it is not surprising that no one knew who she was.

As to the Sheriff, Mike, and the Posse, I am all for them. But they don't look very effective from my point of view--their resources are limited; they aren't experienced in this kind of situation; and I don't at present see anything that looks likely to have a political impact before the election. I hope I am wrong. It looks as though they have added Donald Trump to their assembly and that should help them a great deal.

In terms of what can be published here, there is a limitation because in the case of new discoveries, as soon as they are posted here, the Opposing Forces are out there scrubbing the record and they do have substantial resources.

176 posted on 06/16/2012 7:54:10 AM PDT by David
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To: David

Dear David: I know you’re not doing it on purpose, but nevertheless you’re completely, 100 percent misrepresenting my post to you. Please go back and read what I said again more carefully. I did not make the points you think I did, but I did make a very important point that you have yet to acknowledge.

Thank you.


177 posted on 06/16/2012 8:24:52 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: David
Let me give you an illustration of what's going on. Let's say there is a car sitting on a used car lot. It has a price tag on it. I inspect the car and write up an analysis, the bottom line of which is, ‘Given all that is wrong w this car, the asking price is entirely out of the ballpark/unreasonable.’

You take my analysis and start picking it apart thusly:

She says the tires need to be replaced. Big deal. Any dealership can do it, and it won't take more than an hour or two at most.

She says the transmission needs work. Well how long has it been since it was serviced and tuned up? Any issue w it can probably be resolved by simple maintenance.

She says the shocks are shot. Hello??? Anybody heard of having new shocks installed? It's a procedure that is performed many times daily all over the country.

And so it goes. Your nitpick of my list succeeds in making certain individual items look ‘silly’, in your words, yet all the while you ignore both the purpose of the list and the conclusion. I believe you are an astute enough reader and thinker to be able to go back to my post and extract the larger issue. If I didn't, I wouldn't bother posting to you.

178 posted on 06/16/2012 10:09:11 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: LucyT; All
Book Review:

‘Barack Obama: The Story’ by David Maraniss

http://bostonglobe.com/arts/books/2012/06/16/barack-obama-the-story-david-maraniss/oivndSsZHQQFveP7XRspiK/story.html

By contrast, in his biography of Bill Clinton, “First in His Class,’’ Maraniss describes a bawdy, natural politician who made himself known from a relatively early age — a high-school achiever known for pressing the flesh, someone who ran for every student office at Georgetown. I was startled by the sheer number of people Maraniss talks to who do not remember young Barack Obama at all.

Barack Obama Sr., however, is impossible to forget.

179 posted on 06/16/2012 11:03:41 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
Another book review:

The Hidden Obama

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303901504577461660023302338.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Mr. Maraniss's 641-page opus is an exhaustively reported journey through Mr. Obama's early past—a past that, until now, has been little explored despite David Remnick's 2010 biography of Mr. Obama and Janny Scott's 2011 biography of his mother. "Barack Obama: The Story," the first volume in what will supposedly be a multivolume biography, begins long before he is born—and, yes, just to be certain, Mr. Maraniss interviews people who worked on the maternity ward when Mr. Obama's mother gave birth to him in Honolulu in 1961—and ends when he is accepted into Harvard Law School in 1988.

Huh? Has anyone read the book?

180 posted on 06/16/2012 12:02:22 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
Haven't read the book, but I might. Meanwhile, put your two posts together. He interviewed people who worked on the maternity ward...and was surprised by how few people remembered Obama.

The reviewer didn't specifically state that anyone at the hospital remembered SAD and/or Obama. Maybe they just spoke in generalities, or perhaps they demurred on the basis of protecting Obama’s privacy. Who knows?

[If one of them remembered Obama and SAD specifically, and went on the record by name, wouldn't we have heard of it by now?]

181 posted on 06/16/2012 12:12:38 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
"If one of them remembered Obama and SAD specifically, and went on the record by name, wouldn't we have heard of it by now?"

Of course. I'm just curious as to their names and if they are quoted since apparently Maraniss and the second reviewer go out of their way to make it appear (as usual) that Obama was born in the Hawaiian hospital. Name names Maraniss or it's worth nothing.

The first reviewer seems to be shocked at the lack of people remembering Obama. Not the kind of remark you'd expect from a book reviewer. I'm kind of shocked by the reviewer's shock. LOL

"I was startled by the sheer number of people Maraniss talks to who do not remember young Barack Obama at all."

Lots of interesting tidbits in these reviews.

182 posted on 06/16/2012 12:33:09 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Fantasywriter; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
Dear David: I know you’re not doing it on purpose, but nevertheless you’re completely, 100 percent misrepresenting my post to you. Please go back and read what I said again more carefully. I did not make the points you think I did, but I did make a very important point that you have yet to acknowledge.

Nonsense.

Your comments are all like this--lots of smoke, no fire. You tell me what specific elements of your posts I am misrepresenting; what point you made I didn't respond to.

This is just a wrap up whine to me where you walk away with a general "it ain't so"; respond to nothing; and ignore the substance of the analysis.

In the meantime, you duck me but want to keep beating up on everybody else.

For example, in your #156, you say: They are positing that an established female teen member of an island community could suddenly disappear and no one would notice or comment on that fact. I.e.: SAD attended Mercer High for several yrs. No one has ever gone on record saying SAD informed them of plans to skip her senior yr. In fact, everyone on the record says just the opposite.

But the people pushing the particular conspiracy noted in this thread say otherwise. They claim SAD disappeared off the face of the earth, and not one single solitary soul on Mercer Island thought to comment on that fact.

First place, this all happened fifty-two years ago. The average class age (based on 18 at graduation) now is 70 years. Half the class is dead.

And Mercer Island, and the High School were not a community in the late 1950's as you suggest. In fact, the first class (1959) was admitted to the high school in the fall of 1957 as juniors and it was the only full class in the school.

Mercer Island wasn't a community either--there were only a few people on the entire island--most of the South half of the Island was fairly undeveloped--it was woods.

These class pictures Fred produces are classes from feeder schools that include people who ultimate went to school at the High School--but no one has any real clear idea where Stanley went to her Freshman or Sophomore years in High School.

And you are talking about a person who was not part of the mainstream of the class. Many people who were in the school at the time didn't remember she was there at all. We have one French club picture from what appears to be her junior year that appears to be real. She wasn't anywhere else in the school that anyone remembers or has any record of.

The people supporting the fairy tale have manufactured some pictures by putting her image into pictures of events that did happen--but Stanley was not there.

So now you need to find some individuals in their seventies to step up into the line of fire and say they have clear memories that she was not there as a senior.

No, she wasn't the girl who was pregnant at or before graduation.

It really doesn't surprise anyone who thinks about it that no one except the committed partisans remembers anything about her one way or the other.

And for the most part, people here are not saying what you try to have them say--they aren't saying she wasn't there; people are saying there is no evidence that she was there. The stuff you point to is all committed Liberal Barry supporters burnishing the memory of Stanley--they aren't fact witnesses.

Further, the Mercer Island High School issue is a red herring. Whether she was at Mercer Island in 1960 is really irrelevant to the analysis. The earliest date at which she would have undertaken her role as Barry's Au Pair was mid summer of 60, a month or two after graduation.

And the current view of the facts I am on suggests that in fact she made her deal with his parents a year later in 1961 and that he was in fact probably born in the summer of 61. Whether she graduated from Mercer Island or not is irrelevant.

I don't know where you get the GED degree stuff--there isn't any evidence that she got a GED. The fact that ultimately the University of Hawaii admitted her as a Freshman in 1963 is a pretty good indication that she graduated from High School somewhere. Since Hawaii isn't willing to give you a reliable record of her academic history, you don't know where but you can expect that she graduated from High School.

In looking at the scope of your posts, you look like a Barry supporter here to attempt to respond to some of the obvious disconnects in the story of Dreams. You give away the born in Kenya point--everyone knows that the guy in the White House was not born in Kenya. You give away the obvious fraud and corruption in the state of Hawaii but everyone knows that the public officials in the state of Hawaii are corrupt and are authenticating fraudulent documents to support Barry's position.

Instead, you want to defend what are the real weak points in the fairy tale.

There isn't any evidence Stanley was in Hawaii before 1963. Barry tells us that when he was two (1963), he went to Indonesia. From 1963 to 1966, Stanley was a full time year around student--no record of a child; her mother wasn't taking care of a child either.

The husband of one of Barry's Cousins tells us in the Weekly, long before the fictional conversation with Charlette that there was no baby living on Capital Hill in Seattle in 1961.

Lia the housemaid tells us that Stanley didn't have Barry when she came to Indonesia in 1966 either--that record has been conveniently terminated with Lia but from what she did say, it looks as though Stanley really never got custody of Barry in Indonesia until 1968.

Stanley wasn't his mother.

Looks to me as though you are here on a hole plugging effort for the opposing forces.

183 posted on 06/16/2012 12:39:58 PM PDT by David
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To: David; Brown Deer; TheOldLady; netmilsmom; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; ...
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. . . . A lot of work here:

# 176 is important.

# 178 and # 179 are important, also.

While in the neighborhood, read # 155 , and # 173 , perhaps check graphic at # 145. - The signature looks like one of the many (forged/ falsified?) signatures we've seen over the years.

Thanks to Brown Deer who provided this link, check it out, too:

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/top-fourteen-signatures-of-stanley-ann-dunham-obama-soetoro-doe/

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184 posted on 06/16/2012 12:56:45 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: David
Barry himself tells us in the Time Magazine article interview done when he was in Boston purportedly going to Law School).

What interview is this? Could you provide a cite, please? I don't think I've read this.

185 posted on 06/16/2012 1:17:20 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz; David
The earliest mention of "Obama" in the Time archives is a 2002 article about Japan that mentions the town called "Obama."
186 posted on 06/16/2012 1:21:49 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Fantasywriter
I don't think I could stomach this book. LOL

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303901504577461660023302338.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

He was an efficient worker (Barf) and an aloof colleague (Of Course). Unlike many of his young co-workers, he never arrived at work late (Barf)—and never stayed late (Of Course). He did what the job required (Barf), "no more and no less."(Of Course)

When one co-worker, knowing that Mr. Obama was a runner, suggested that they jog together after work, Mr. Obama declined, saying: "I don't jog, I run." (Pretentious Jerk - Barf) It appears that he was simply biding time in a world he did not like. (Hurl)

In a letter found by Mr. Maraniss, Mr. Obama's mother wrote a friend: "He calls it working for the enemy (Just like being pResident) because some of the reports are written for commercial firms that want to invest in [Third World] countries."

187 posted on 06/16/2012 1:26:54 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: David
the University of Hawaii admitted her as a Freshman in 1963... There isn't any evidence Stanley was in Hawaii before 1963.

Not true. The University of Hawaii transcripts indicate she was taking classes in the fall of 1960.


188 posted on 06/16/2012 1:27:39 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Fred Nerks
It is rather odd that Stanley Ann is dressed differntly than the other girls in the picture. The only reason I could think of (for a legit picture) is that this is the picture of an athletic team, say the girls' tennis club, and Ann was the team's "manager" rather than an athlete.

I don't see this as being a cropped portion of a full "class picture" because there are only girls in the photo. A class picture would have all the boys and girls mixed in together.

189 posted on 06/16/2012 1:48:55 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: David

So every one who disagrees w you is working for Obama?

Everyone whose posts you misrepresent is working for the other side?

Plesae run through the evidence one more time, that indicates I am working for Obama. That is a unique charge. I’ve never heard it before. You are the first. Please lay out that case w a bit more clarity and a few more details.

Thank you in advance.


190 posted on 06/16/2012 1:54:22 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
If the school and/or state tried to pull a fast one, and portray the offspring as from a traditional marriage [for instance] we would speak up.

You might do that, but many people would not. Where there is a strong community and sense of pride in the school, a lot people simply won't rat out their childhood friends. Punahou certainly has that vibe. If Barry missed one or two years of middle or junior high school because he was off attending another school somewhere on the globe under a different name... I don't think his classmates would rat him out.

Mercer Island HS, though public, was/is in an isolated, wealthy community, with a very unconventional revolutionary curriculum and teachers... I can see a similar situation there too. And there is another 20 years of history on Punahou to further cloud the issue.

191 posted on 06/16/2012 1:56:45 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: All
New biography details Obama's struggle with racial identity

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57454002-503544/new-biography-details-obamas-struggle-with-racial-identity/

"Barack Obama: The Story," by David Maraniss, which comes out June 19, discusses the president's early education in Jakarta as well as his years in Hawaii, in college, and beyond. In Jakarta, Mr. Obama was sometimes jokingly referred to as "Bahasa tarzan" and inspired curiosity for having a white mother.

One friend from Occidental College remembers the young Mr. Obama's explanation of his nickname, Barry, as a sort of protective barrier.

According to the book, "one day, as Moore recalled the scene, he and Obama were 'sitting around, discussing the world . . . and I said, 'Barry Obama? What is that derivative of?' And he told me the story of how his mom had met his father. And I had been to Kenya. . . . It was a bit of serendipity in our lives. We were just kind of chatting. I was heckling a bit. . . . 'Barry Obama, what kind of name is that for a brother?' And he said, 'Well, my real name is Buh-ROCK. Barack Obama.' And I said, 'Well, that's a strong name. Rock, Buh-ROCK.' And we laughed about it.'"

Maraniss writes: "He said, 'I go by Barry so I don't have to explain myself to the world. You're my bro, I can give you the background on it.' But it was basically an accommodation to the Anglo world, Anglo society. You don't want to be singled out, necessarily."

Mr. Obama and Moore also bonded over music, debating the meaning of Bob Marley's album "Survival" and the work of Stevie Wonder.

He later transferred to Columbia University, where he became friends with a group of Pakistani students and spoke about his desire to one day become president, according to one friend interviewed in the book.

Mir Mahboob Mahmood, a student at Columbia Law School and a friend of Mr. Obama's in those days, remembers that the two "had known each other only a few months when Obama posed this question to him: 'Do you think I will be president of the United States?'"

"If America is ready for a black president, you can make it," Mahmoud says he told him.

192 posted on 06/16/2012 2:00:16 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Plummz

Plummz, I did a few hrs research the other night. I found an overwhelming wealth of info that indicates SAD graduated from Mercer Island Hi. I posted a few of the links. I was brutally a t t a c k e d. After that I inquired why the people who maintain SAD never graduated from Mercer Hi haven’t done at least a little of the same research I did in those few short hrs. I’ve been a t t a c k e d and demonized ever since. It is insane, if not outright psychotic.


193 posted on 06/16/2012 2:00:28 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Plummz

I’m an Australian, I do not know all of your customs, but one freeper did tell me there is/was an occasion during high school, where all the girls of a grade will/did pose in their high school sweaters, and all hold the same pose as the photograph is taken.
She’s a ‘woman of a certain age’ who maintains she has a similar grade photograph in her own album.

To her eye, there are girls missing on the left of the image, there were less girls in the back row than in the front, SAD is an addition/insertion - and if she (freeper) had turned up for that photograph session without her sweater, she would not have been in the photograph she has in her album.


194 posted on 06/16/2012 2:07:02 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fantasywriter

I was just throwing that out there. As a private school, I think Punahou alums would be a lot more likely to cover for their classmates, especially one who became President.


195 posted on 06/16/2012 2:14:58 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz

Punahue never even came up in the discussion in question. The issue was whether SAD graduated from Mercer Island Hi. There is a vast amount of evidence saying she did. My question is twofold: why was I the first to dig up all this evidence, and why was I villified and smeared for doing so.


196 posted on 06/16/2012 2:18:27 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: plenipotentiary

And Obama was rescued from the tower by the Handsome Prince when he let out his fro.

I am a birther because I believe there are serious problems with his citizenship documentation and personal history.

But this story is a fairy tale, with no relation to Occam’s Razor.


197 posted on 06/16/2012 2:20:42 PM PDT by Yaelle
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the University of Hawaii admitted her as a Freshman in 1963... There isn't any evidence Stanley was in Hawaii before 1963.

Not true. The University of Hawaii transcripts indicate she was taking classes in the fall of 1960.

Show me.

The document you attach is not a transcript. It is just another letter from a Hawaii official supporting the fairy tale.

198 posted on 06/16/2012 2:21:38 PM PDT by David
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To: Fred Nerks
In the US, a member of the high school varsity sports team (or sometimes non-sports team) receives a "letter."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterman_%28sports%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_letter

They can then buy a "letter jacket" or "letter sweater" to display the letter and their status.

The sweaters have gone out of fashion, but letter jackets are still around. It may be that in the 1950s, girls wore letter sweaters and boys had jackets.

So, Ann posing with her club without a letter sweater may be because she was a manager, or she was on the junior varsity team and hadn't earned a letter, or because as a budding class warrior she eschewed status symbols and refused to buy or wear an "elitist" letter.

I'm not saying for sure the photo isn't shopped, but those are all possible reasons why she isn't dressed like the other girls on the photo. It would be nice to have more context -- like the rest of the photo, the rest of the yearbook page, the captions, etc.

199 posted on 06/16/2012 2:29:05 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: David
University of Hawaii admitted her as a Freshman in 1963

This is not a document. This is just an unbacked claim by some guy posting on the Internet to support his fairy tale.

200 posted on 06/16/2012 2:31:25 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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