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Krauthammer: New Obama immigration policy ‘out-and-out lawlessness’
Daily Caller ^ | 15 Jun 2012 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 06/15/2012 6:38:29 PM PDT by mandaladon

On Friday’s “Special Report” on the Fox News Channel, syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said that the president’s shift on enforcing immigrations laws and granting certain privileges among illegal immigrants is “out-and-out lawlessness.”

Krauthammer told host Chris Wallace that this was a so-called “end-run” around the legislative branch of the federal government and explained how it defied the Constitution.

“Beyond the pandering, beyond the politics, beyond the process — is simple constitutional decency,” Krauthammer explained. “This is out-and-out lawlessness. You had a clip of the president himself say months ago ‘I cannot do this on my own because there are laws on the books.’ Well, I have news for president — the laws remain on the books. They haven’t changed.”

He said this appears to be the White House attempting to enact the DREAM Act, which failed to pass muster with the Congress after several attempts over the past several years.

“He proposed the DREAM Act of which the executive order is a variation,” Krauthammer continued. “He proposed a DREAM Act. The Congress said no. The Congress is the one who makes the laws. What the administration does is it administers law.”

“And in fact, what it is pretending to do is to use discretion,” he said. “That’s what the Homeland Security said. This is not discretion. Discretion is when you treat it on a one-by-one basis on the grounds of extenuating circumstances. That is declaration of a new set of criteria, which is essentially resurrecting the legislation that the Congress has said no to.” (VIDEO: Neil Munro explains his exchange with President Obama in Rose Garden)

Krauthammer reminded viewers of the criticisms the Bush administration took on when some perceived it to have been overstepping its bounds, while those same detractors have little to say about this.

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“And I think this is not how you run a constitutional republic,” he continued. “This ought to be in the hands of Congress, and it is an end-run. And what’s ironic of course is for eight years, the Democrats have been screaming about the imperial presidency with the Bush administration — the nonsense about the unitary executive. This is out-and-out lawlessness. This is not how you govern. And I think that is the first issue that should be on the table.” We're starting to look more and more like Venezuela.
1 posted on 06/15/2012 6:38:33 PM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

Yes, but who is going to do anything about it?


2 posted on 06/15/2012 6:40:07 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: mandaladon

Yes. We crossed the line today between the rule of law and the rule of man. The legislative branch no longer makes our laws. Now the laws are whatever that individual in the White House says they are.


3 posted on 06/15/2012 6:42:17 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: doc1019
Yes, but who is going to do anything about it?

Stand by...this may be the tipping point and we are about to find out.

Tag me...I'm in...

4 posted on 06/15/2012 6:42:41 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: mandaladon

Impeach him!


5 posted on 06/15/2012 6:44:40 PM PDT by Vesparado
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To: IrishPennant

Fingers crossed.


6 posted on 06/15/2012 6:44:58 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: mandaladon
And what is the recourse? Too many RINO eunuchs in the House, a corrupted Just Us Department, and a Senate controlled by Prince Harry. Who/what will do anything? Will some entity file suit in the DC District Court?

We....are....so....screwed.....

7 posted on 06/15/2012 6:45:21 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: mandaladon

I watched this segment, and was very disappointed that he didn’t use the phrase “impeachable offense”.


8 posted on 06/15/2012 6:45:37 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: mandaladon
Someone crystallized it for me perfectly a few years ago:

The purpose of the U.S. Constitution is to protect us from OUR GOVERNMENT!

9 posted on 06/15/2012 6:46:20 PM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT!)
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To: mandaladon

Ho-Hum...more outraged hand-wringing, more impotent inaction. Wake me up when someone stands up to this tyrant.


10 posted on 06/15/2012 6:47:34 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: mandaladon

“out-and-out lawlessness.”

Oh please. He’s just noticing it now?

We became a banana republic back in 2009 when the usurping dictator started squatting in the White House.

He’s been lawless since the very beginning.


11 posted on 06/15/2012 6:48:50 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: doc1019
When the Legislature represents their political parties above their states and districts, the party who holds the White House can pretty much do whatever it wants.

There really is no such thing as an impeachable offense because the Senate will always circle the wagons and protect the party leader.

So, nobody is going to stop this. And it will continue.

We don't pass budgets anymore. We don't declare war anymore. We implement policy through executive order and cede power to the Secretary of Health, or Homeland Security; or the FDA, and so on.

Congress is nothing more than the Fund raising arm of the political parties.

12 posted on 06/15/2012 6:50:14 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: doc1019

Nobody really. Maybe one congressman wants to impeach and another wants to file a lawsuit. Hardly noise. What should happen is every Republican member of congress stand on the steps of the Capitol and state that enough is enough and this is not Venezuela.


13 posted on 06/15/2012 6:50:22 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: fidelis

I believe you can sleep well.


14 posted on 06/15/2012 6:51:45 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer; Repealthe17thAmendment

It is times like these that I’m glad that I’m old and probably won’t be around to see the demise of this once great country.


15 posted on 06/15/2012 6:54:49 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: La Lydia
The legislative branch no longer makes our laws.

Legislative branch? Obama deemed that obsolete years ago. Those guys only hold a symbolic role these days, just for old time's sake.

16 posted on 06/15/2012 6:55:50 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: plain talk

Forget law suits. Individual members of Congress have no legal standing to sue. Obama now gets Florida and Nevada and almost surely a second term. Demographics is destiny. We failed to take heed when Buchanan wrote “Death of the West.” The patient is now on life support!


17 posted on 06/15/2012 6:56:39 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: fidelis
Ho-Hum...more outraged hand-wringing, more impotent inaction. Wake me up when someone stands up to this tyrant

___________________

As long as we rely on “elected officials” there will be no standing up to tyranny. It is We the People who give them power and it is “We the People” who can tell them to pound sand.

I often wonder what a month without a conservative (not a day) would do to the coffers of the elite. If we neither bought or sold, nor opened the doors of our business, or went to our jobs.

What would that do, if We could commit to it?

18 posted on 06/15/2012 6:57:36 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: doc1019

I would suggest-—us


19 posted on 06/15/2012 6:58:44 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: IrishPennant

Its almost that time.

God help us


20 posted on 06/15/2012 6:59:45 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: mandaladon
Rome continued to have a senate for over 400 years after Augustus took control of the government. The senate didn't do anything after that point, but people served and they could tell friends and family, "I'm a senator, you know."

I'd say we're already there.

21 posted on 06/15/2012 7:01:11 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: Steve Newton

Only if we make it to the November elections as a nation of free people.


22 posted on 06/15/2012 7:04:48 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Steve Newton

Don’t worry, be happy.

This is an out for the Democrats, the DNC, the Convention. Now they have a reason to Remove the Dead Weight Loser, Obama from the Democrat ticket.

Crimes and misdemeanors, Impeachment at the DNC Convention. Enter replacement Candidate. It’s takes a Village.


23 posted on 06/15/2012 7:04:57 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: Cementjungle

Would love to have a symbolic role and spend my time doing legal insider trading. :)


24 posted on 06/15/2012 7:05:35 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’d say we’re already there.

__________________

True enough. But when do we, as individuals, stop participating in our own decline?


25 posted on 06/15/2012 7:06:48 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: mandaladon

All human systems deteriorate. I’ve seen it happen in corporate systems and in marriages. The Constitution is not protecting us any longer, as it is easily ignored by your elected representatives, and it certainly does not apply to the executive branch at all levels. Some countries have the option of a military coup to clean out the barn and start all over. We like to feel superior to other countries’ political systems here on this forum, but I think there is little reason for it.


26 posted on 06/15/2012 7:08:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the dominant paradise!)
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To: KittenClaws
When the shooting starts, some people will tut-tut and say, "That's not the way to handle this."

But the smart folks will cheer and join in. I have no intention of expressing shock and horror when I hear a news story of someone doing bad things with a gun down at city hall. The government is counting on citizens to be "reasonable" and to resolve all of our national problems through calm discourse.

I say, "No".

27 posted on 06/15/2012 7:12:00 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Economically we are headed for Argentina which before WWII was the 4th largest economy on the planet, before sliding into a permanent Third World state under Peron and his successors (Peron II for a while.) Politically we’re going for Zimbabwe or some other African hellhole, which, I’m beginning to suspect, is this post-colonialist’s ideal he’s working to reach.


28 posted on 06/15/2012 7:12:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the dominant paradise!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think you’re on to something. When Joseph Stack crashed his plane into the IRS building in Austin, people said he was crazy - crazy with frustration.


29 posted on 06/15/2012 7:20:38 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: mandaladon
I believe this "bold step" by Obama (even though it's illegal) is most of all an attempt to get next week's Holder contempt citation out of the weekend headlines.

But I don't think it's going to work.

30 posted on 06/15/2012 7:20:38 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Steve Newton
God help us

I trust he will....This is his country and I swore my allegiance to him and this country multiple times..."God, Country, Corps"...it permeates who I am and many like me who did not serve as I did - they are just plain folks behind a blade of grass, and folks I would share a fighting hole with anytime.

31 posted on 06/15/2012 7:20:38 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: mandaladon

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


32 posted on 06/15/2012 7:26:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: doc1019

His Secret Service code name is, “Renegade.” Should it really surprise us at his lawlessness?


33 posted on 06/15/2012 7:29:13 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: IrishPennant

I’m sorry , but I don’t share your optimism . The once great Republic is on its last legs , and it sure isn’t only Obama’s fault .


34 posted on 06/15/2012 7:30:16 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: ClearCase_guy
When the shooting starts, some people will tut-tut and say, “That's not the way to handle this.”
But the smart folks will cheer and join in. I have no intention of expressing shock and horror when I hear a news story of someone doing bad things with a gun down at city hall. The government is counting on citizens to be “reasonable” and to resolve all of our national problems through calm discourse.

I say, “No”.


Certainly calm discourse has not helped us thus far. I actually believe that, the "civil" compromises our electeds have indulged in have brought us to this point.

It is up to We the People to make the changes necessary to restore the Republic. I would hope those changes could begin in a peaceful manner.

Peace is far better than what you suggest and all efforts to make peaceful changes should be made - by the People, not the electeds. I'm tired of counting on our mainly corrupt politicians.

35 posted on 06/15/2012 7:31:32 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: Thom Pain

A few years ago? That to me implies less than a dozen years. Quite a bit less, truth be told. Unless you’re pre teen or less, this should be common knowledge. The operative word in that last sentence is: “should”.

Given the state of affairs with our public school system, it’s not a guarantee anymore.


36 posted on 06/15/2012 7:31:32 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Thom Pain

A few years ago? That to me implies less than a dozen years. Quite a bit less, truth be told. Unless you’re pre teen or less, this should be common knowledge. The operative word in that last sentence is: “should”.

Given the state of affairs with our public school system, it’s not a guarantee anymore.


37 posted on 06/15/2012 7:31:51 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: mandaladon
Articles of impeachment should be drawn up next week, but the RINO eunuchs leading the GOP will do nothing. However the American people do not want this amnesty plan and will be mad as hell.
39 posted on 06/15/2012 7:32:17 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: La Lydia

As relevant today for those who believe and have courage:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. — Declaration of Independence 1776


40 posted on 06/15/2012 7:35:34 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: KittenClaws

that would be ‘going Galt’... and it takes the money out of their hands

but it only works over time, as they can survive a single month

it’s time for an outright tax revolt. to quote NReagan ... “JUST SAY NO!”

to make this work, it would probably require the states to jump onto the 10th amendment bandwagon and stipulate that the citizens of their state pay NO federal taxes. the tax obligation is on the state, not the individual... as the founders intended. this would drive power from washdc into the hands of state officials... and you can always trust people to do what’s in their best interest. the only thing holding this back would be the commies/ progressives/ socialists at the state level that are working for the big picture


41 posted on 06/15/2012 7:36:21 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Rome continued to have a senate for over 400 years after Augustus took control of the government.

Way to beat me to it. While we're on the subject, the Founding Fathers learned well from the fall of the Roman Republic.

Even in the heyday of the Republic, Rome had a convention of suspending civil government when the city was threatened, in favour of a temporary dictator. Cincinnatus was one of those dictators. That convention was the hook that Caesar Augustus used to establish the Empire. He clothed himself in the tradition of the temporary dictators - only in his case, it was permanent.

The United States has no such loophole. Even during the Civil War, when the U.S. government was at its most tyrannical with respect to civil liberties, elections were still held on schedule. President Lincoln had to run for re-election in 1864. As confirmed by World War 2, even total war is no reason to suspend or even postpone elections. Americans have always had the right to change CinCs in mid-war, and still do.

Consequently, there's no customary loophole for a would-be Emperor to exploit. America may degenerate into a dictatorship, but it surely would be an elective dictatorship. Sadly, the continuance of elections would make such dictators claim loudly that they aren't really tyrants.

42 posted on 06/15/2012 7:36:36 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: mandaladon
This is like the healthcare mandate about free birth control--a cynical ploy for votes.

Obama could have asked Congress to pass a law to this effect when the Democrats were in control of both houses of Congress, but he waits until the election campaign for maximum political impact, and to demonstrate his contempt for the Constitutional separation of powers.

Bill O'Reilly was in his worst Ted Baxter useful idiot mode tonight, gushing about how compassionate this is.

43 posted on 06/15/2012 7:36:57 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: sushiman

Then you are done. Go sit with the women and let the real men play.


44 posted on 06/15/2012 7:39:42 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: danielmryan
The last of the traditional Roman dictators (maximum term six months) were in the period of the Second Punic War in the late third century. After that you have Sulla and Julius Caesar holding dictatorships without a time limit. After Caesar's assassination, the office was abolished.

When Octavian, Marc Antony, and Lepidus joined forces in late 43 B.C., they created the Triumvirate which was in effect a three-man dictatorship, but they avoided the term "dictator." Eventually Octavian had sole control but in fashioning a legal basis for his authority after 31 B.C., he avoided the term "dictator." He had learned from his uncle's mistakes.

45 posted on 06/15/2012 7:41:45 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: sten
Yes, it is a modified “going Galt” I had that in mind as I made the suggestion.

How many States do you think would go for jumping on the 10th amendment? That is a bold and workable idea you have there. Surely there are some Governors who would take a chance if they were not “alone”.

I'm certain if “No” had been used more when the rats started biting, we wouldn't be in this fix.

For instance, what force does the EPA have to enforce their mandates? It only takes one business owner or landowner to roll over and the rest run like little girls...I am so disgusted.

46 posted on 06/15/2012 7:46:47 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: mandaladon

The lawless usurper doesn’t care about any damn laws. He thinks he can dictate what the laws are, and you know what? He can, as long as nobody has balls enough to stop him.


47 posted on 06/15/2012 7:53:36 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: Smokeyblue

You nailed it: from the beginning. So now what? Standing up to a real tyrant is suicidal. Putting this tyrant down alive looks to be almost impossible, and it would be nice to come out of this with the rule of law intact. I dunno.


48 posted on 06/15/2012 7:54:47 PM PDT by Grampa3711 (Some people bring happiness wherever they go; others, whenever.)
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To: doc1019

“Yes, but who is going to do anything about it?”

As long as Mr. Dynamic is the Senate Majority Leader and the gatekeeper, nobody is going to do anything about this sad excuse for a President. The House can impeach him but it will never get to a vote in the Senate!


49 posted on 06/15/2012 7:59:27 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 52% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: mandaladon

And what is the recourse? Too many RINO eunuchs in the House, a corrupted Just Us Department, and a Senate controlled by Prince Harry. Who/what will do anything? Will some entity file suit in the DC District Court?
We....are....so....screwed.....


50 posted on 06/15/2012 7:59:57 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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