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"End Stop and Frisk" Protest placards...
Train of Thoughts | 06172012 | self

Posted on 06/17/2012 6:46:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Government; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: islam; malcolmx; seiu; stopandfrisk

1 posted on 06/17/2012 6:46:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand

I support ending Stop and Frisk as well but I don’t see what it has to do with islamophobia. It’s simply unconstitutional.


2 posted on 06/17/2012 7:28:58 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Dan Nunn

Assaulting, robbing, and killing people....is unconstitutional as well.

Since this is all a game about statistics...I’d suggest this. Since the folks who benefit from stop-and-frisk are whites (so we are led to believe)....then starting off each morning, a hundred white guys and gals ought to walk up and request a quick stop-and-frisk on the spot, then make sure the statistic is collected.

Once we get the numbers up to a healthy aspect, which is all that matters, then folks have to shut up. The bottom line is that you’d like to walk out of your place in New York City....walk six blocks to do your business...return home, and hope to God that you weren’t assaulted or killed that afternoon.


3 posted on 06/17/2012 7:38:31 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice
The bottom line is that you’d like to walk out of your place in New York City....walk six blocks to do your business...return home, and hope to God that you weren’t assaulted or killed that afternoon.

IOW, you're just fine with stop and frisk if you think it keeps you safe.

4 posted on 06/17/2012 7:58:25 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: pepsionice

“Assaulting, robbing, and killing people....is unconstitutional as well.”

Yeesh! You expect anyone on FR to respect your opinion when you lead off with that tripe?


5 posted on 06/17/2012 8:59:48 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Ken H

Pwease Mr. Big Government, save me from the bad people, I can’t be trusted to defend myself!


6 posted on 06/17/2012 9:01:55 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Dan Nunn

I’ll support ending the so-called “stop and frisk” when NYC become shall-issue.

Until then, if these marxist-jihadi-ass-licking numbnuts really insist on ending it, I suggest emptying a few dozen cells at Rikers once/week, and dropping off the released convicts in front of the homes and the offices of the communist-led scum who are organizing this crap.


7 posted on 06/18/2012 2:59:17 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda
Why not hire more TSA agents and set up checkpoints? I'm sure you'll be very understanding when they feel up your private parts, as well as your family's, when you're out for a walk.
8 posted on 06/18/2012 3:56:30 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H

Why not free drugs and abortion on demand and gay marriage and open borders?

WILL THAT MAKE YOU FEEL MORE FREE?

Which part of “I WANT NYC TO BE SHALL ISSUE” can’t you read?

Which part of the “stop “stop and frisk” posters are PRO-JIHAD AND PRO-COMMUNIST didn’t you SEE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE?

As for TSA, they like you and Ron Paulistinian and that dope-smoking traitor lover of his Adam Kokesh, can all KMFA.

The NYPD, while not perfect, is not FILLED with JBT, and stop and frisk, since I am stuck with the Bloomturd, is part of what keeps NYC’s crime rate approximately 30% lower than the nation’s average.

Would I prefer to have a CCL and shoot whatever MF steps in my door uninvited? Absotively.

Would I prefer to move if I could? Posolutely.

Why are YOU STANDING WITH MARXIST JIHADI LOVING SCUM?


9 posted on 06/18/2012 4:03:20 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda
Stomp your feet all you like, it still doesn't help your argument.

Anyone who supports ongoing Fourth Amendment violations in order to supposedly mitigate the results of Second Amendment violations, is still supporting violations of the Constitution.

10 posted on 06/18/2012 4:33:10 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: All
Very interesting responses! I don't even know what s+f is, precisely, but as these idiotic, rabble-rousing placards were left around after the march, it had to show up in the title. Not sure what the connection between capitalism and s+f is, but apparently Malcolm x followers think there is one. And SEIU weighed in, too, along with some Islamists

I suppose the people of Harlem would be quite beside themselves to find FR types in agreement with them on S+f.

11 posted on 06/18/2012 5:32:01 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Ken H
Anyone who supports ongoing Fourth Amendment violations in order to supposedly mitigate the results of Second Amendment violations, is still supporting violations of the Constitution.

Couldn't agree more.

12 posted on 06/18/2012 6:53:48 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: the invisib1e hand; pepsionice; Yehuda
I suppose the people of Harlem would be quite beside themselves to find FR types in agreement with them on S+f.

Once in a while, we find ourselves in agreement with the ACLU. This is one of those times (unless you're a 'security above all else, Constitution be damned' kind of guy like above).

Basically, just being present in public in NYC means you give the NYPD free reign to stop you and frisk you for weapons or anything else illegal.

Now, minorities claim this is racist and they are unfairly targeted. Maybe, maybe not, but I don't care. No one should be subjected to unreasonable search and seizure. The Fourth Amendment reads:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I don't know what part of the above text pepsionice or Yehuda disagree with, or how they think it doesn't apply to S+F, but I'd love to know.

13 posted on 06/18/2012 6:59:12 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Dan Nunn

Do you live in NYC because I do and until all crime is gone I will support stop & frisk any and every time. I’ve lived through the nightmare pre and post Mayor Dinkins and until Giuliani came along and cleaned up this City it was a hell hole for me, my family and friends. When they stop killing innocent people and themselves then and only then should stop and frisk be suspended.

Stop & frisk facts
It’s all about crime — not race

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/stop_frisk_facts_rVuSm8oyOMhFdNe0PzGksO#ixzz1yBJMQ6Nu


14 posted on 06/18/2012 2:09:19 PM PDT by bluerose
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To: bluerose

And let me add, while I applaud Bloomberg on his decision to support stop and frisk, the only time I support Bloomberg, he took away my right to defend myself with his anti-gun stance. All the more reason for stop and frisk to continue in NYC.


15 posted on 06/18/2012 2:12:16 PM PDT by bluerose
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To: Ken H; Dan Nunn; bluerose; rmlew; Cacique; Clemenza; firebrand
"Anyone who supports ongoing Fourth Amendment violations in order to supposedly mitigate the results of Second Amendment violations, is still supporting violations of the Constitution."

That's nice, maybe Ken and Dan can donate the extra $ to put all that jazz on OUR TOMBSTONES.

As bluerose noted, WE LIVE HERE IN NYC, YOU DON'T, and since you likely didn't bother to go to the NYC news link provided:

"Here is what the anti-cop critics never divulge: Blacks are 66 percent of all violent-crime suspects, according to the victims of and witnesses to those crimes. Blacks commit around 70 percent of all robberies and about 80 percent of all shootings in the city. Add Hispanic shooters, and you account for 98 percent of all shootings in the city.

Whites, by contrast, were only 5 percent of all violent crime suspects in 2011. According to victim and witness reports, they commit barely over 1 percent of all shootings and less than 5 percent of all robberies.

Such disparities mean that the police can’t deploy their resources where people most need protection from violence — in minority neighborhoods — without producing racially disproportionate stops.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/stop_frisk_facts_rVuSm8oyOMhFdNe0PzGksO#ixzz1yBWhjJFm

Again, you guys must be deaf as door posts: WE PREFER CCL's. But until then, we can live with "reasonable suspicion" based on community FACTS. You know, like this concept:

"Violent crime is a black phenomenon. To say otherwise is to ignore the elephant in the room."

16 posted on 06/18/2012 3:13:19 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda; Ken H; Dan Nunn; bluerose; rmlew; Cacique; Clemenza; firebrand
As bluerose noted, WE LIVE HERE IN NYC, YOU DON'T

Yeah, your northeast isolation shows. However, our founding fathers wrote the Constitution to cover all of America, not 'except major metros.'

Again, you guys must be deaf as door posts: WE PREFER CCL's. But until then, we can live with "reasonable suspicion" based on community FACTS.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Never seen a better application of that than to your post. No thanks, I'll defend the Constitution, in every federal jurisdiction, thank you.
17 posted on 06/18/2012 3:25:06 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: bluerose
Do you live in NYC because I do and until all crime is gone I will support stop & frisk any and every time.

A mandatory curfew would solve a lot of crime too. Why don't we just ban public association after sunset?

Truly understanding the lengths and risks that George Washington and later Abraham Lincoln took to save this God-given republic of ours for generations to come, enabling humans to live in a land where their natural-born rights were not just enabled, but protected, by our government - that, juxtaposed with the beliefs, of conservatives nowadays even, that "your papers, sir?" is a way of life in our nation's most populous city - well, it's heartbreaking.

18 posted on 06/18/2012 3:34:41 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Dan Nunn

Yeah, it’s heartbreaking so is frisking white old ladies at airports but when it comes to the protection of myself and family I’ll support whatever it takes.

If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn’t complain. Blacks are killing each other in record numbers and only the intelligent non-liberal blacks see the importance of s&f. Here is a back Minister who supports it and his son was recently frisked:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/rev_flake_supports_nypd_on_stop_w8BSZMI4HQ5lJ6v96a1pTM?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Local


19 posted on 06/18/2012 6:22:06 PM PDT by bluerose
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To: Yehuda
"Violent crime is a black phenomenon. To say otherwise is to ignore the elephant in the room."

I don't have time to check your link right now, but that sounds like a very, VERY smart man!

I'm well aware of the stats. Blacks are about 13% of the population and commit 50% of the murders. city-data.com has demographics and crime data for nearly every city and town in America.

Crime has been falling just about everywhere since the late 80s and early 90s. Between 2004 (when S&F began in NYC) and 2010, many cities have had as steep or steeper reduction in violent crime as New York.. NYC had a decline in murders from 7.0/100K in 2004 to 6.4/100K in 2010. Two of the cities I looked up, San Francisco and San Diego, had around a 50% decline in the murder rate in the same period. Baltimore's went from 43.5/100K to 34.8/100K.

20 posted on 06/18/2012 7:27:22 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Dan Nunn

Only a moron would take the Supreme court / Constitutionally approved frisking (ITS NOT WARRANTLESS SEARCH) based on COURT DEFINED reasonable suspicion, of members of a high crime group IN HIGH CRIME NEIGHBORHOODS, and equate that with NAZIS coming after Jews.

I GAVE YOU THE LINK, LOOK UP THE LAW ON STOP AND FRISK, instead of swallowing the garbage from the ACLU.

You’re so proud of standing with the communist-founded ACLU, I guess you lick the boots of Al Sharpton and the rest of the commie- jihadi-loving crowd.

Aside from, I am sure, your also defending the jihadi scum’s right to put a mosque next to Ground Zero because “islam is guaranteed freedom of religion”, please show me you’re also not the one of the first jackasses to scream “JOOZE” when Iran comes up.

PS -

“that “your papers, sir?” is a way of life in our nation’s most populous city - well, it’s heartbreaking.”

You even right like an OWS communist. NO ONE IS RANDOMLY ASKING FOR “PAPERS” they are stopping suspicious looking characters in bad or out of place neighborhoods and asking them their name/ patting them down if they suspect weapons, AND THEY ARE CATCHING CRIMINALS who would kill blacks and whites, mostly blacks.

Perhaps you are one of those aryan nation jackasses pretending to be a constitutionalist, who prefers more dead blacks, and/or more crime in the streets in Liberal Joo York because it brings America closer to the “revolution” where you can hang all those darkies and all the liberal JOOZE.

Eh, is that you?


21 posted on 06/18/2012 8:37:34 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Dan Nunn

“Truly understanding the lengths and risks that George Washington and later Abraham Lincoln took to save this God-given republic “

Abe Lincoln? You mean the Abe Lincoln who illegally suspended Habeous Corpus?

Why don’t you look up “the Constitution is not a suicide pact” and read up on good old Abe (and Jefferson...).


22 posted on 06/18/2012 8:40:38 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Ken H

“I don’t have time to check your link right now, but that sounds like a very, VERY smart man!”

And I usually agree with him! ( : >)

I refuse to give the anti-2A’s any ammo, so I will say as someone who has lived in NYC for over 4 decades that the lower crime rate in NYC (according to City-Data, it’s almost HALF the rate of Dallas or Houston, both places I would rather live in than NYC) is due to:

(a) the NYPD to citizen ratio; afaik, it is over twice the national average for major cities;
(b) the stop and frisk policy;
(c) the push on making arrest for “small crimes” (the “broken window” concept) which leads to higher arrest rates of repeat offenders who when kept off the streets simply aren’t out there committing more crimes;
(d) the fact that NYC is a group of islands where the PD can more easily cut off major avenues of escape and eventually “beat the bushes” make arrests.


23 posted on 06/18/2012 9:06:35 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda

You’ve gone from a statist hack to clinically insane.

That you think my refusal to succumb to a government where merely my presence in public is grounds for patting me down is “licking the boots of Al Sharpton,” an “OWS communist,” or an “aryan nation jackass” makes me chuckle.

Enjoy your all-powerful, omnipotent government, prick. Just hope the CCTVs are there to stop the next crime.


24 posted on 06/18/2012 9:24:18 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Dan Nunn

“my refusal to succumb to a government where merely my presence in public is grounds for patting me down”

too bad thats not the basis for stop and frisk.

But don’t let your being exposed as either illiterate or a liar stop you from your continued alignment with Sharpton and the jihadis.

Maybe they give you a combined ghetto and jihad pass.


25 posted on 06/19/2012 10:25:42 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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