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Poll: Former Supreme Court clerks think the mandate is done for
The Washington Post ^ | June 20, 2012 | Sarah Kliff

Posted on 06/20/2012 11:31:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A new poll of 56 former Supreme Court clerks finds that 57 percent think the individual mandate will be overturned. That’s a 22-point jump from the last time the same group of clerks was surveyed, right before oral arguments. Back then, 35 percent thought the court would toss out the required purchase of health insurance.

Most of the clerks found the Supreme Court’s questioning to be more skeptical than they had expected. As one clerk put it to Purple Strategies’ Doug Usher, who conducted the research, “I feel like a dope, because I was one of those who predicted that the Court would uphold the statute by a lopsided majority…it now appears pretty likely that this prediction was way off.”

That seems to capture the mood of the rest of the country, too...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: obama; obamacare; scotus; supremecourt

1 posted on 06/20/2012 11:31:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the mandate will be overturned, too. The big deal is whether the rest of Obamacare survives. I’m guessing that was the topic for the most heated SCOTUS internal discussions. Personally? I don’t see how this house of cards can stand if its foundation is ripped out.

To my knowledge, Congress did not include a severability clause. Yet, they routinely put serverability clauses in other legislation. Meaning: it was intentionally left out. At least that should be a reasonable interpretation.

Secondly, Obamacare only works if healthy people are forced to participate. Otherwise, the other mandates won’t be funded as intended. How else can the insurance pools afford to cover uninsured people who join only after they’re sick?


2 posted on 06/20/2012 11:43:40 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I feel like a dope, because I was one of those who predicted that the Court would uphold the statute by a lopsided majority

Sounds like a future conservative.

3 posted on 06/20/2012 11:44:24 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Bain Capital would not have bought Solyndra)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The left has a plan should the ruling be unfavorable to them. What does the right have? I'd expect meek acceptance.

4 posted on 06/20/2012 11:44:24 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

ping


5 posted on 06/20/2012 11:51:31 PM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin: Anybody But Obama 2012)
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To: CitizenUSA

I think the Obama Admin has something up their sleeve even if the mandate is overturned. They seem a whole lot less concerned over the last week or so than they were before. I think they figured something out. Perhaps an EO or something like that. It does not have to be legal in Obamas eyes. The ends justify the means.


6 posted on 06/21/2012 12:05:43 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: I see my hands
The left has a plan should the ruling be unfavorable to them.

I agree with you. I can sense it. Perhaps it's because they mysteriously have gone silent on the issue and it was just after announcing they would look for a way to save it if the decision is unfavorable. They're no longer talking about it and seem less concerned now.

7 posted on 06/21/2012 12:09:11 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Lurking Libertarian; JDW11235; Clairity; TheOldLady; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; ...
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

8 posted on 06/21/2012 1:20:41 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: CitizenUSA

The individual mandate (IM) was always a head fake, a red herring.

Obama never cared for the IM, his people wanted a massive tax increase from the beginning but they could not package the legislation as a tax increase.

In Title IX of the Act there are Revenue provisions. These are taxes on incomes and taxes on Employer Sponsored health Plans (ESHPs), as well as myriad other taxes.

The taxes on ESHPs are 40% above a certain value. The ‘value’ is determined by the government and the level is arbitrary. IOW the fed government has the power to force employers to abandon ESHPs.

The taxes on incomes are small and apply to incomes > 200k but these taxes will grow as they always do.

Severability was not included because to have done so would have invited an analysis of whether the plan would work with severability and they were touting the IM was essential which it is not because the taxes in Title IX can be expanded and amended at midnight until they have the massive tax and control that they were after.

This is a poker game and the dems are good at it.

Pelosi said we would have to read the Bill to see what was in it. Well we have and we know it’s a massive tax increase to be rolled out in the next 5 years.

And the awful reality is that Romney if elected will follow through with the tax provisions of Obamacare and he will increase them.

It’s been known since 1996 and before that the USA has to raise tax rates to 86% to meet entitlement obligations. Nearly all legislation coming out now is driven by NWO persons to avoid the US insolvency by cleverly passing tax increases. This is the motivation behind Obamacare, not anything to do with health care.


10 posted on 06/21/2012 1:55:34 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think we won’t know until the decision is read othrwise it’s a guessing game much like the weather.. supposed to be nice tomorrow but it could rain.


11 posted on 06/21/2012 2:18:18 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: Hostage

And, if SCOTUS throws the whole thing out, what then?


12 posted on 06/21/2012 2:30:53 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: CitizenUSA

How else can the insurance pools afford to cover uninsured people who join only after they’re sick?

They cannot, and anyone with a brain knows it.

Just as after the accident automobile insurance would be unaffordable if not already unavailable, it should be easy to understand why after the sickness insurance has not been available, until democrats have demanded and mandated that it be so. That said, still doesn’t make it so.


13 posted on 06/21/2012 3:21:50 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

Then a Republican Congress and POTUS “improve” health care in America, not “fix it”, by crafting legislation that addresses segments of the industry, and passing bills the old fashioned way; bipartisan and free market.


14 posted on 06/21/2012 3:40:44 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Hostage
The individual mandate (IM) was always a head fake, a red herring.
The dems are so good at that game. Like how they put taxpayer funded abortions in the bill just so they could get everyone fighting over that and when that gets pulled then a few mis-guided pseudo-conservatives with all the brains god gave a gnat could declare "now, with this victory, I can support this bill".

The dems are good at playing the "conservatives" in this country (not real conservatives, but those who think they are and don't even understand what the word actually means) like a fiddle.

15 posted on 06/21/2012 3:52:25 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: tsowellfan

i agree with you...obama thinks his “defy congress once a week” strategy is a winner in the ballot box


16 posted on 06/21/2012 3:53:58 AM PDT by databoss
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What of the “severability clause”? Since the Dems inserted it into the bill they could have shot themselves in the foot but that decision is just as important. They could throw the entire bill out.

I would love to see that happen.


17 posted on 06/21/2012 4:01:39 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Polls mean nothing


18 posted on 06/21/2012 4:29:48 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Polls don't mean squat. I hope that the Supreme Court will overturn the law, but I expect them to uphold it.

But our problems as a Nation have nothing to do with either obama or obamacare. It has to do with voters who elect and re-elect individuals such as Bill Clinton,Hillary Clinton, obama, and Jimmy Carter. Instead of being educated to think and fend fro themselves, the population is being indoctrinated toward slavery. And most [about 99%] do not know or care that this is happening.

19 posted on 06/21/2012 4:39:38 AM PDT by sport
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To: Hostage
And the awful reality is that Romney if elected will follow through with the tax provisions of Obamacare and he will increase them.
I'm thinking whether or not Romney will repeal, let-stand as-is or extend Obamacare will depend entirely upon the collective desire of the congressional majority.

I doubt anyone views Romney him as a political risk-taker that ignores the legislature and goes out on limbs all by his lonesome. Seriously, the guy sticks his finger in the wind and goes whichever way it blows him. I can't imagine the boob making *ANY* demands of congress that are not pre-negotiated with congressional leaders. Whenever he acts tough, it will be purely for show. I think you are crediting him with *FAR* larger cojones than he has ever previously indicated.

I guess the bottom line is: Regardless of how you intend to vote (or not) for President, make darn sure you vote down-ticket.

20 posted on 06/21/2012 8:24:12 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: jaydee770

> “I’m thinking whether or not Romney will repeal, let-stand as-is or extend Obamacare will depend entirely upon the collective desire of the congressional majority.”

Romney has already said he will keep parts of the bill.

And he said this to the press at a time when a large majority of Americans were against the entire bill.

Romney is a liberal, a democrat in republican clothing.

There is a ruling class and it’s no conspiracy to believe that there is one. People behind intellectuals such as Kissinger, financiers such as Soros and many others are rulers, think themselves as rulers, or part of the ruling class. The DNC and the GOP-e are two networks dug in on the same campground. They select who will be the next President, never the People.

The way they do it is to ensure that they have their two candidates on the ballot. They don’t care who wins. Each network will still get its perks, its share of the spoils.

If you can’t see what they did to popular GOP candidates this last Winter and Spring, then you’re blind.

As hard as it is to accept, it bears repeating:

“Romney is a liberal democrat in republican clothing who will say whatever you want to hear but when decision time comes, he always decides in favor of liberal positions.”

The ruling class is content with either Obama or Romney.

What you think does not matter.


21 posted on 06/21/2012 2:22:51 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage
...Romney is a liberal, a democrat in republican clothing. (followed by a bunch of political trivia we already know)...
Thank you, Capt Obvious! I would have never guessed Romney was a RINO, or that Pols are only in it for themselves, or that the whole electoral system is legally (or otherwise) biased to perpetuate the status quo. Tell us something else we already know!

My point stands -- Romney as "risk-taker", "maverick", "tough-guy", "authoritarian" and/or "congress-skirter"!? That's patently laughable. Romney won't be *deciding* anything, he will merely sign legislation that congress sends him and then poach the credit for it. That's why, as futile as some may think it is, voting down-ticket as conservative as you can is *really* important this time.

What really stinks is that as bad as he is, he is still *FAR* more preferable than Obama. If you disagree, then all you need to do is make your case for a more viable opponent to Obama and I'll vote *your* way. Otherwise, you're just wasting time & bandwidth griping and carping about the crap-hand we've all been dealt to no avail.

22 posted on 06/22/2012 8:50:04 AM PDT by jaydee770
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