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We must demand that the individual shall be willing to lose the sense of personal achievement
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Posted on 06/22/2012 8:30:21 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

In "Democracy and Social Ethics", Jane Addams wrote the following: (page 275)

The power to distinguish between the genuine effort and the adventitious mistakes is perhaps the most difficult test which comes to our fallible intelligence. In the range of individual morals, we have learned to distrust him who would reach spirituality by simply renouncing the world, or by merely speculating upon its evils. The result, as well as the process of virtues attained by repression, has become distasteful to us. When the entire moral energy of an individual goes into the cultivation of personal integrity, we all know how unlovely the result may become; the character is upright, of course, but too coated over with the result of its own endeavor to be attractive. In this effort toward a higher morality in our social relations, we must demand that the individual shall be willing to lose the sense of personal achievement, and shall be content to realize his activity only in connection with the activity of the many.

So first off, all of you who reach higher to be better people, you're ugly.

Second, individuals must surrender to the collective - "the activity of the many".

This is pure poison. But it's a consistent refrain from those who believe in progressive ideals, that the individual doesn't matter. Only the group matters.


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1 posted on 06/22/2012 8:30:25 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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To: skinkinthegrass; RichardMoore; Little Ray; Madame Dufarge; Eye of Newt; AdvisorB; HOYA97; ...
If anybody wants on/off the revolutionary progressivism ping list, send me a message

Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

2 posted on 06/22/2012 8:31:59 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

There goes the spirit of invention. Once there are no more capitalist inventors to steal ideas from, what then?


3 posted on 06/22/2012 8:35:15 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ProgressingAmerica

People who espouse the philosophy that murdered hundreds of millions of people in the last century and enslaved over two billion more are, IMHO, so dangerous that they should be hunted down and exterminated with extreme prejudice as the threat to individual safety and liberty that they are.


4 posted on 06/22/2012 8:35:19 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

What a blowbag. My head hurts from “reading for meaning” just that one paragraph.

If I were forced to choose between reading her whole damn book or performing a lobotomy on myself with a knitting needle... bring me the needle.


5 posted on 06/22/2012 8:36:52 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

One Fifth Grade Classroom in Texas: (Example)

Whole tables of students are rewarded with points, by the correct answer of one student. The points accumulate for spending those points in the “gift shop”.


6 posted on 06/22/2012 8:37:52 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: MeganC

Used to be a time that such ideologues would be automatically defined as enemy combatants. But now . . .


7 posted on 06/22/2012 8:38:01 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Goes to prove - if a guy wants to get laid, he should hang out with leftists...


8 posted on 06/22/2012 8:39:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Like so many other things (e.g., carbon footprints), this is only for the ‘little people’. The libs themselves still want their own individual achievement.


9 posted on 06/22/2012 8:40:08 AM PDT by expat2
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Be sure to take note of what is important enough to be repeated. In fact the common good vs individual good is a repeated theme through most nazi literature.

The following are some of the planks of the National socialist (Nazi) Party of Germany, adopted in Munich on February 24, 1920:

We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living.

The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all.

Therefore, we demand:

an end to the power of the financial interests .

We demand profit sharing in big business.

We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.

We demand. . . the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education. . . .

We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. . .
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The government must undertake the improvement of public health — by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor — by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth.

We combat the . . . materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of " The Common Good Before the Individual Good ."

10 posted on 06/22/2012 8:40:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

‘Onion’??

Sheer lunacy!


11 posted on 06/22/2012 8:40:46 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Live Free Or Die


12 posted on 06/22/2012 8:41:05 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Just a great comment. Love your tagline too! How succinct.


13 posted on 06/22/2012 8:41:43 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

What a load of gibberish. You can’t objectivly define a single term she uses. She lays out vague, undefinable premises and still can’t come with a conclusion that could be logically inferred. She sounds like a college freshman five minutes after smoking her first joint.


14 posted on 06/22/2012 8:47:46 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: RitaOK
The points accumulate for spending those points in the “gift shop”.

And the points may be spent on a selection of gifts of condoms, adult toys and manuals on sexual positions.

Abolish public schools.

15 posted on 06/22/2012 8:48:50 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: ProgressingAmerica

These idiots sound more and more like Hitler every day. Too bad the republicans are too cowardly to force an honest evaluation of this evil and achieve some justice for this country before it is too late for us all.


16 posted on 06/22/2012 8:53:37 AM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Little Ray
You mean getting married is out of the question? To me it sounds more like “if a guy wants to catch a disease (possibly nowadays incurable), he should hang out with leftists” . . .
17 posted on 06/22/2012 8:56:56 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Gobbledegook!


18 posted on 06/22/2012 8:56:56 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Olog-hai

No. If he want meaningless sex without strings (other than STDs...) he should hang out with leftists. This is why a lot of guys hang out with leftists, feminists, etc.; they’re easy.

If he wants to get married, he should go to church. Or find somebody at work (way it happened to me). That way you can find women with whom you can actually live.


19 posted on 06/22/2012 9:29:01 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: MeganC
Let's say that again:

People who espouse the philosophy that murdered hundreds of millions of people in the last century and enslaved over two billion more are, IMHO, so dangerous that they should be hunted down and exterminated with extreme prejudice as the threat to individual safety and liberty that they are.

Such people aid and abet the monsters I've called killers without conscience. They vote, clap and cheer them into the power they subsequently use to slaughter millions for their own satisfaction.

The greatest guilt today is that of people who accept collectivism by moral default; the people who seek protection from the necessity of taking a stand, by refusing to admit to themselves the nature of that which they are accepting; the people who support plans specifically designed to achieve serfdom, but hide behind the empty assertion that they are lovers of freedom, with no concrete meaning attached to the word; the people who believe that the content of ideas need not be examined, that principles need not be defined, and that facts can be eliminated by keeping one's eyes shut. They expect, when they find themselves in a world of bloody ruins and concentration camps, to escape moral responsibility by wailing: "But I didn't mean this!"

Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condemning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead.


-- Ayn Rand
20 posted on 06/22/2012 9:29:40 AM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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To: Little Ray

Those STD strings can’t be cut. They’ll get ‘em eventually. Anyone who is looking for “sex without strings” is already a leftist anyhow.


21 posted on 06/22/2012 9:31:32 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
There goes the spirit of invention. Once there are no more capitalist inventors to steal ideas from, what then?

Everyone gets a Trabant, comrade!


22 posted on 06/22/2012 9:40:24 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Little Ray
if a guy wants to get laid by other guys, he should hang out with leftists...

There, fixed it.

23 posted on 06/22/2012 9:48:37 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
“Yes, let us pray for the salvation of all of those who live in that totalitarian darkness—pray they will discover the joy of knowing God. But until they do, let us be aware that while they preach the supremacy of the state, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the Earth, they are the focus of evil in the modern world.”

President Ronald Reagan
March 8, 1983
The historic Evil Empire speech to the National Association of Evangelicals

24 posted on 06/22/2012 10:14:03 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Another cancer on America via Chicago.

Nice to see that Junior Scholastic is still poisoning kids' minds with progressive crap.

And look - another Nobel Peace Prize winner!

In the end, though, Addams was lauded for her life's work. She won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1931 for her work with the peace organization.

25 posted on 06/22/2012 10:18:05 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: ProgressingAmerica

After reading that, I don’t know if she would appreciate the fact that a section of Interstate-90 is named after her, rather than the local collective in the Rockford area (where she went to college).

She represents a nasty kind of Republican that cannot diappear fast enough. Christine Todd Whitman is her spiritual heiress.


26 posted on 06/22/2012 10:25:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("You forget, it isn't who you claim, but instead, who claims you. We don't claim you!")
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To: COBOL2Java
“Everyone gets a Trabant, comrade!”

A question asked by the Germans in the 80s:

Do you know how to treble a Trabby’s value?

Fill the gas tank!

27 posted on 06/22/2012 10:30:11 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Some one has got to explain to me how the ideas of two dangerous ego-maniacal lunatics, one who ended a suicide while hiding underground, the other who was chased down by “his” people, shot, stabbed, mutilated and hung upside down as an example, tell me please, how did these two motherfuckers win seventy years later?
28 posted on 06/22/2012 11:24:02 AM PDT by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: Noumenon

Thank you for that awesome quote!


29 posted on 06/22/2012 11:44:25 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Great post, and thanks for the series. I haven't run into Addams since my undergraduate days, in a very distant time. She was murky and unreadable then, and hasn't improved with time.

First, a caveat - this was penned in 1902, when Fabian socialism was the Next Big Thing and before the emphasis on the collective produced its inevitable result in Communist Russia and Nazi Germany. When you're tossing around undefined abstractions nearly anything becomes possible, glib, and convincing. When you have to explain the tragic outcome, it turns out to be a good thing that responsibility, like virtue, is comfortably distributed among the collective.

A full refutation of this philosophical approach is not particularly difficult but likely to be a bit beyond the scope of this forum. Basically it works like this: ethical responsibility is an individual characteristic because the actions it purports to measure are undertaken by individuals. A collective doesn't shoot somebody, an individual does. Dispersing ethical responsibility or virtue into the collective, turns out to be no different from denying it altogether.

If, however, it is one's intention to affect individual behavior by invoking a responsibility that devolves from group membership - to manipulate, in other words - collective responsibility and collective virtue are wonderfully useful tools. You can make someone change his behavior or at least feel bad over something he or she had nothing to do with by appealing to a class signifier - white skin, American nationality, Western culture. That, and not a drive to a brave new egalatarian workd, is what collectivism promises: a means to manipulate.

30 posted on 06/22/2012 1:11:49 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ProgressingAmerica
and shall be content to realize his activity only in connection with the activity of the many.

...and this is why bachelor baboons 'are content' to act as lion bait troop lookouts while, for the good of the troop, the lead male has to endure the onerous duty of breeding all the females.

31 posted on 06/22/2012 5:57:48 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I am reading Dembsky’s INTELLIGENT DESIGN right now and In the second chapter he talks about Modernist and Post-Modernist and how they reject the notion that God intervenes in the material world. Starting with Spinosa there has been a continuing progression toward a strong rejection of miraculous events. This may not seem to be connected but if you are a “pre-modernist’ then you can accept that everything is colored and effected by an original cause which is still involved with the natural world. But the moderns and the post moderns reject any possibility of God’s involvement with the natural world. These progressives enjoy sidetracking us traditionalists into all this nonsense about collectivism. It is absurd! In order to have a sensible discussion or disagreement with them we need to find something upon which we agree, because all argument starts with an accepted statement: such as, All men want to be happy, or Nothing cannot turn itself in to everything. (with appologies to G K Chesterton)


32 posted on 06/27/2012 2:31:26 PM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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