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Farm Bill 2012: Over-regulation Strikes Again!
ATR ^ | 2012-06-26 | Haylee Ham

Posted on 06/26/2012 10:13:13 AM PDT by 92nina

To the disappointment of those who wanted to see reform and fiscal responsibility prevail, Debbie Stabenow’s (D-Mich.) farm bill passed in the Senate on Thursday with a vote of 64-35. The proposed bill fails to reform certain programs like sugar, makes other wasteful programs like dairy even worse, and creates a whole new entitlement program for farmers, while spending 60 percent more than the last farm bill and only cutting a paltry $23 billion from the deficit over the next ten years. This farm bill will leave a wide path of destruction behind it: consumer prices will increase, costly entitlement programs will bloat, and market distortions will continue to run wild.

Americans for Tax Reform and numerous other organizations called for actual reform and spending cuts that would shrink government’s involvement in agriculture and chip away at our country’s massive deficit.

After hundreds of amendments were put forward, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid allowed for a bundle of 73 to be voted on for the past 3 days in the Senate. Unsurprisingly, most of the best, free-market oriented amendments failed. Americans for Tax Reform highlighted some amendments that would attempt to correct some of the atrocities of the bill. The Lee Motion to Recommit, for example, would save taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars by returning the current farm bill (which spends $969 billion) to 2008 spending levels (which spent about $600 billion). This amendment was unfortunately rejected. The Toomey Amendment, that would have brought much needed free-market reform to sugar programs, was also rejected.

However, showing some of the hoped for reform, an amendment by Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) passed that will means test crop insurance premium subsidies. The amendment, which reduced subsidies by 15 percent for farmers with an adjusted gross income of more than $750,000, garnered 66 votes. Showing their support for crony capitalism and a reluctance to cut spending, Sen. Stabenow and two-thirds of her Senate Agriculture Committee members voted against the amendment.

Senator Stabenow said, “This Farm Bill is unlike any other before it—it cuts spending, ends subsidies, improves accountability and strengthens healthy food systems. We are now closer than ever to achieving real reform in America’s agriculture policy.” This is false rhetoric. The trillion-dollar farm bill spends 60 percent more than its predecessor, enacts a new subsidy entitlement program for agri-business, and lacks any real reform. Programs that needed complete overhaul were left alone and amendments that could have corrected these oversights were struck down.

Read more: http://atr.org/farm-bill-over-regulation-strikes-again-a6991#ixzz1yv7ZCdT0


TOPICS: Agriculture; Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: congress; democrats; farmbill; farming; food; govtabuse; michigan; monsanto
Lacking reform and fiscal responsibility, the farm bill passed on Thursday in the Senate with a vote of 64-35.

Take this article and others I found to the fight to the Libs on their own turf; put the Left on the defensive at Digg and at Reddit and in Stumbleupon and Delicious

1 posted on 06/26/2012 10:13:20 AM PDT by 92nina
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To: 92nina
Help me, I'm a bit math impaired. How do you increase farm spending from $600 billion to $969 billion and reduce the defecit by $23 billion ...

oh, wait ... I forgot ... when these assclowns say "cut $23 billion form the defecit" they mean "reduce the increase in spending by $23 billion"

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." H.L. Mencken

2 posted on 06/26/2012 10:19:59 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: 92nina

I swear to God Above......Democrats should be outlawed. Period.


3 posted on 06/26/2012 10:27:41 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: 92nina

The American farmers are bigger thieves of taxpayers money than welfare mothers by a wide margin. While the welfare mother gets by, the farmer gets rich.


4 posted on 06/26/2012 10:38:46 AM PDT by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver
Yeah, that's right. All us farmers are rich thieves. How's that teamster job going?

The majority of the money in the farm bill is for food stamps.

5 posted on 06/26/2012 10:51:15 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: 92nina
Why was this not filibustered?

Oh, that's right, several (no doubt the usual RINO suspects) crossed the aisle, all in the spirit of "Bi-Partisanship." BARF!!!

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6 posted on 06/26/2012 11:27:56 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: ozzymandus

“The majority of the money in the farm bill is for food stamps.”

In the words of Joe Wilson: “YOU LIE!” $50+ Billion =/= $1 Trillion. End all subsidies. The corporate farmers receiving the subsidies are the thieves while in cases like Monsanto, they STEAL community seeds from seed banks and patent them, and lobby for enslavement through bills like SB510.


7 posted on 06/26/2012 11:28:51 AM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: 92nina

IMHO, the best way to stop corporate agriculture’s money hose connection to Washington is to BUY LOCAL FOOD. Purchase a chest freezer and fill it with a side of beef, pork and lamb raised in your state. Find the neighborhood farmer’s market and freeze/can/dry vegetables and fruits for the winter or grow your own. If enough Americans opted out of the system, the whole elaborate scheme of subsidies and political influence would fall apart.


8 posted on 06/26/2012 11:45:51 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: JDW11235

Yeah, you got me, I’m a thief and a liar, and I own a corporate farm and most of Monsanto. I’m living the life of Riley on the $400 farm subsidy I got last year. Thanks, sucker!

If you think farming is such a gold mine, why don’t you buy a farm and cash in?


9 posted on 06/26/2012 11:52:27 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: JDW11235

There are very little direct subsidies to farmers anymore. These have always been the carrot to get farmers to do their bidding. With the carrot gone, the stick is in place with growing regulations.

The replacement of direct payments has been subsidized insurance. Insurance companies have been good lobbiest and there has been tremendous growth in crop insurance.

Now when you take the risk out of something like home mortgages what happens. What happens when you take the risk out of farming? It drives the cost of inputs up and drives out the small players...................


10 posted on 06/26/2012 11:58:13 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: ozzymandus

You’re also a whiner of world class, and more and more resoundingly, apparently a liberal.

Your whining was to pretend that Food Stamps made up most of the farm bill. A BOLD FACED LIE. Second, I was addressing the points made by the previous poster, which you attempted to put off by LYING, not claiming you owned Monsanto.

Third, while boohoo-ing, although you seem to have mastered the reductio ad absurdum, and as much as I enjoy seeing that moronic fallacy, I know that a true conservative would instantly want to remove the subsidies, not argue that theirs was such a pittance.

As to:
“If you think farming is such a gold mine, why don’t you buy a farm and cash in?”

You have no idea whether or not I have a farm or not, but you now know my clear position on Socialist subsidies to megacorps that undermine our God-given rights to property (and subsidies to anyone else for that matter). Good day.


11 posted on 06/26/2012 12:06:40 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: RightOnline
Democrats should be outlawed. Period.

They ARE the enemy of true Americans.

12 posted on 06/26/2012 12:10:43 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: PeterPrinciple

The solution to all of this nonsense is a slashing of government at all levels back to its Constitutional role. The increasing entitlement mentality to OPM is getting out of the realm of sanity.

The fact is, that food is NOT cheap. Yes, the U.S. it is cheaper than other places in the world, but it is being held at an artificially cheap cost through various types of subsidies, incentives to mega corps that produce increasing low quality food, increasing regulation on small farmers to benefit the mega corporations that don’t pay inheritance taxes and who get an increased market share, and an artificially strong dollar. At some point the musical chairs game of fiat money and (more importantly) deficit spending is going to stop. At that point people are going to come to realize that when God stated “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,” it didn’t mean by the sweat of someone else’s face. We may not all turn into farmers, per se, but living off of someone else at the point of government robbery won’t stand much longer.

“Democracies are as short in their lives, as they are violent in their deaths.” We ceased to actually be a Constitutional republic 100 years ago, and the wind down is coming to a close. There will be a revival or the final nail in the coffin, but either way, big government never, ever, ever, lasts.


13 posted on 06/26/2012 12:17:48 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: JDW11235
You got me again. Now I'm a liberal and a world-class whiner. How did you find all that out from 2 posts? Your brilliance amazes me, and your name-calling is first rate. No doubt you are aware that you can't purchase crop insurance unless you sign up for the farm programs, or is crop insurance also a socialist racket? Please continue to expose and enlighten me, as I am only a fallacious moron as you say, and must be educated by an all-knowing pompous ass like yourself. Right now I must walk out to the mailbox and see if I got any of your tax dollars today.

Further, I would love to see you call me a BOLD FACED LIAR to my face. And BTW, the phrase you are trying to use is “bald faced liar”.

14 posted on 06/26/2012 12:27:35 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: JDW11235

By the way, US News & World Reports states that the 2012 farm bill spends 5 times as much on food stamps as on farm subsidies. Who’s the BALD FACED LIAR now? (Hint: It’s you)


15 posted on 06/26/2012 12:42:07 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Ok, I’ll bite.

You said “The majority of the money in the farm bill is for food stamps.”

Back it of. Show me a link that explains more than $500 BILLION dollars going to food stamps. I’m sure you can find one fast. And you’re still the BOLD faced liar.


16 posted on 06/26/2012 12:49:03 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: ozzymandus

Back it *up.


17 posted on 06/26/2012 12:50:01 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: JDW11235

US News&World Report backed it *up. You’re a liar and you bore me.


18 posted on 06/26/2012 12:54:01 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Link please! Oh, and one with a $500 Billion figure, since it is after all a “majority.”

“you bore me.” Typical libspeak for...”I can’t prove my lies, so now I’m going to pout, why are you being so unfair. Can’t I just say whatever I want!?!!? Waaaaaa!!!!”


19 posted on 06/26/2012 1:02:59 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: JDW11235

You do not have the power to command me to do your homework for you. If you wish to continue to lie and post childish nonsense, wear yourself out. I repeat, you bore me. You’ll have to continue your tantrum without my help.


20 posted on 06/26/2012 1:11:18 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: JDW11235
I am not not taking any sides here but you have to remember that after the great depression a cheap and steady supply of food was VERY IMPORTANT.

What began with good ideas had mission creep. At one time we would carry over half to a full year of production through commodity loans, it was called the reserve program. Now if we don't use up the last bushel of it on the day the new crop comes in it is a disaster. The GOAL is to carry over no new crop. Do you see the disaster coming?

We haven’t had a good drought in Iowa for several years, LUCK or MGT? When my parents farmed, it was more years of bad crop than good.

21 posted on 06/26/2012 2:53:06 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: upsdriver
The American farmers are bigger thieves of taxpayers money than welfare mothers by a wide margin.

Look, I can joke about farmer welfare all day long; but you're not a thief if someone's giving you the money. The farmers don't steal it.

Congress is the thief. Important distinction. Direct your anger where it's due.

22 posted on 06/26/2012 3:04:43 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: JDW11235
Not being critical just trying to enlighten a little history as Peter sees it.

As the result of the great depression, programs were implemented to carry a reserve and store the grain on the farm, THE GOAL BEING A HEALTHY RESERVE.

WWII came along and the GOAL WAS MAXIMUM PRODUCTION.

After the war we had a lot people to feed and didn't worry about the reserve. THE GOAL WAS FEED THE WORLD.

The 60 came along and the reserve began to get quite large and expensive so the GOAL WAS LIMIT PRODUCTION and thus paying farmers NOT to grow crops.

The 70’s and Carter came along to eliminate exports and the reserve really grew, so we paid some farmers to bid in their whole farm and grow NOTHING. By the way those were not very profitable years because the farmer had more time to spend money and made some not so good decisions. We always manage the past and this is the image you are objecting to.

In the 80’s direct payments to farmers was HUGE, cant have that to THE GOAL BECAME TO ELIMINATE DIRECT PAYMENTS TO FARMERS. Thus through lobbying the idea of crop insurance grew and we won't have to pay the farmers, but we will subsidize the corp insurance for a few years. Well, 20 years later we are still subsidizing crop insurance and have driven the small farmers out because the big operations grew because they had no risk.

The morel of the story: the original goal was a GOOD ONE but we are so far away from that we have a good opportunity to starve.

23 posted on 06/26/2012 3:13:57 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: PeterPrinciple

You bring up some very good points. Unfortunately no matter how well intentioned, subsidies take money from one person and give it to another, and there’s no basis for them in the Constitution. The Depression was a giant debacle and people look at it far differently, depending on whether they were the moochers or the moochees.

Both my parents come from farming stock, and different sides of the country. Dad was around for the depression, mom a little after, but her mother and grandmother often spoke of the depression. Ergo, I have no first hand experience, but both sides of my family hated the policies instituted during the Depression (Dad is conservative, mom’s mom is an old school Democrat, more conservative than most Republicans, but somewhat liberal).
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RE: “We haven’t had a good drought in Iowa for several years, LUCK or MGT? When my parents farmed, it was more years of bad crop than good.”

It may be neither, directly. “Geoengineering” as they call it, is widely practiced. Here in the local paper this spring, there was a report of how much our agricultural county, and the next county over, budget for cloud seeding (altering weather to make rain, if you didn’t know), as well as how much the state kicks in. In all the amount we paid was IIRC around 300k each year (75k from each county, and the other 150k from the state). Ironically last year this area was considered a FEMA flood zone, and a few people’s homes were damaged. The paper also mentioned that the clouds are seeded each and every year, regardless of precipitation, I guess just in case. Makes me wonder why the clouds had to be seeded (at our expense) last year in the first place.


24 posted on 06/26/2012 3:21:39 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: JDW11235
It may be neither, directly. “Geoengineering” as they call it, is widely practiced.

Like many things man does, it will not end well, the law of unintended consequences. I just gave you a history of unintended consequences.......................
25 posted on 06/26/2012 3:31:34 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: JDW11235

Oh, I’ll go out on a limb here. In as much as you don’t know a thing about farming, I’ll guess you’re not a farmer.


26 posted on 08/19/2012 8:35:57 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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