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Tom Hoefling: "To hell with the Supreme Court"
Tom Hoefling for President 2012 ^ | June 28, 2012 | Tom Hoefling

Posted on 06/28/2012 8:39:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

To hell with the Supreme Court.

I’m a free American.

I will NOT be a ward of the State.

Throw all the bums out, before it’s too late.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: fascistmedicine; hoefling; liberty
And that includes any Romney Republican who has ever uttered the lying phrase "Repeal and Replace."
1 posted on 06/28/2012 8:39:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

The Republicans will back off of OBAMATAX leading up to the election because Obama will beat the drum of ‘discrimination’ and they’ll cower.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 8:41:37 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: EternalVigilance

Go get ‘em, tiger.


3 posted on 06/28/2012 8:43:04 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

McKaskill is toast in Mz 70% were against the mandate and I am sure many Democratic Senators are toast too.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 8:44:48 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: EternalVigilance

Events if commiecare is repealed, they now have a precident for unbelievable power.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 8:47:50 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: scooby321
Oh, please.. Obama AND HIS MEDIA will beat the drum of 'the Republicans want to take health care away from the unemployed, single moms, blacks, Hispanics including "immigrants", and sick little kids".."

You think the Republicans have the GUTS to take a stand against THIS kind of onslaught???? NO, NO, and NO!!!!!!!!!!!

6 posted on 06/28/2012 8:52:13 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah nothing like seeing Obama trolls like you out today trying to assure his reelection.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 8:55:04 AM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: EternalVigilance
Mitt's on FNC right now under the guise of ‘does not agree with SCOTUS decision’ *but* instead of pointing out WHY SCOTUS was wrong, he's stumping for his health care plan. We are SO F€%#Ed!
8 posted on 06/28/2012 8:56:42 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: EternalVigilance
To hell with the Supreme Court.

For once, I completely agree with you, Tom.

9 posted on 06/28/2012 8:59:25 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: JLS

You can go pound sand for all I care.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 9:01:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

“I will NOT be a ward of the State.”

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Money feeds the beast. Rhetoric aside, it is, and always will be, the key to power.

So we can assume you will NOT be paying your taxes? Let us know how that works out.


11 posted on 06/28/2012 9:02:08 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: EternalVigilance

You tell them, Tom!

Reject Obama!

Reject Romney!

Reject Obamacare!

Reject Romneycare!


12 posted on 06/28/2012 9:02:46 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: liberalh8ter

That was certainly predictable.

As I’ve said right along, Romney doesn’t disagree with Obama’s socialism. He simply thinks he can do it better.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 9:02:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Over the years I’ve come to the realization the court system is a joke. Laws aren’t followed and upheld. Rulings are made to mirror political leanings. The public is scammed. The Constitution has been twisted. Judges are power-hungry.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 9:04:08 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: EternalVigilance; All

Hey Loser like you have a chance in hell of winning the election. So tell me tough guy how are you going to turn over a supreme court decision?? Through EO??


15 posted on 06/28/2012 9:05:14 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Tom Hoefling: Loser)
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To: EyeGuy

I always pay my taxes.

But I will not be a ward of the State.

Folks like you should be standing right beside me on this. If you would, in sufficient numbers, we would get our country back.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 9:05:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: From The Deer Stand

Yep.


17 posted on 06/28/2012 9:07:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Just what we need. Another Presidential candidate declaring he’ll ignore the SCOTUS.

So much for your big talk about the Constitution.


18 posted on 06/28/2012 9:07:46 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: KevinDavis

Thanks for coming on the thread. We needed a few poster children for Romney Republicanism.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 9:08:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Lurker

This decision guts the Constitution. Wake up.


20 posted on 06/28/2012 9:09:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Romney’s on now...sounds weak to me. He should be angry!


21 posted on 06/28/2012 9:10:22 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance

So, the federal government can now mandate commerce; they simply need to represent it is a negative tax: Buy this or else get taxed. So much for the US Constitution.

The US Supreme Court also ruled recently that all property is subject to confiscation to be sold for profit of the government with the owner getting what the government decides to give them. Combined with this ruling the property owner can now be taxed the entire amount of the proceeds and receive nothing.

We are now literal slaves to the government.

Since the federal government refuses to obey the constitution we should too! REVOLT!!!


22 posted on 06/28/2012 9:10:27 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: EternalVigilance

The Constitution was gutted long ago, it just finished dying this morning.

You wake up.


23 posted on 06/28/2012 9:11:13 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

“Another Presidential candidate declaring he’ll ignore the SCOTUS. So much for your big talk about the Constitution.”

The Constitution is what WE say it is by what we will demand it be, not what 9 unelected people say it is. We KNOW what the foudning father meant for us to have and we know what we want. For 9 people to say otherwise leads only to revolt. Your view that we should do it no matter what they say is being a slave. I am not a slave!


24 posted on 06/28/2012 9:12:34 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Right as long as you can troll here for Obama’s reelection, right. It is transparent what you are up to.


25 posted on 06/28/2012 9:12:49 AM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: EternalVigilance

Don’t any of you have a thought about leaving this Banana Republic? This place stinks & watch out what is in store.


26 posted on 06/28/2012 9:13:22 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: JLS

Thanks for proving once again that all Romney Republicans have to work with is abject, cowering fear and slander.


27 posted on 06/28/2012 9:16:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: CodeToad

I’m reading Roberts’ opinion. It’s contradictory. Schizophrenic even.


28 posted on 06/28/2012 9:20:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Troll, troll, troll away for you guy Obama.


29 posted on 06/28/2012 9:21:00 AM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: EternalVigilance

Troll, troll, troll away for your guy Obama.


30 posted on 06/28/2012 9:21:18 AM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: EternalVigilance; All

The Constitution is too vague on what is a tax bill and what is not a tax bill. It clearly says that tax bills must originate in the House. The 16th Amendment is meant to give the Congress the power to tax incomes.

Over the years, Congressional rules and laws have become such a huge pile of complex, ambigous and contradictory mess that we now have this behemoth nobamacare bill (written by the nightmarish combination of the statists/new left and healthcare “industry” lobbyists) being declared a tax bill by the ever-illogical, half-partisan, mostly-confused SCOTUS.

This is the Court that upholds the right to fornication by ensuring that unwed mothers can kill their babies as long as they do it early on (it’s not about murder, it’s the fornication that is “wanted”; the murder is simply getting rid of the “unwanted” child).

The idea of a “tax bill” or “revenue bill” could quite simply be made clear in the Constitution. A tax bill should have NOTHING else in it.

If the taxes and the mandates for nobamacare were in two separate bills, and the tax bill had to originate in the house, it would have been even harder to get them passed politically. And the mandate bill would have had to undergo scrutiny as to whether the mandate was Constitutional on it’s own, without regard to it’s even being considered a tax.

Politicians don’t want that though, because they “get things done” by what is called horse trading, e.g., well, I’ll vote for your tax if you vote for my highway project, etc.

We are so far from the original intent of the founding of America that it would unrecognizable to people of that day. In fact, they undoubtedly would consider it even worse than the empire they broke away from, Great Britain, where at least perversion was still legally considered perversion.

So we are left with enormous ambiguity as to what the rules by which the framework of government operates are and this enables the power-hungry to shackle those who work, produce and pay taxes.

When Christians get out of public office, government, law, media and business ownership, unregenerate sinners jump into those positions. Those who do not assume a role of dominion become the dominated, as someone else will assume the role of dominion over them.


31 posted on 06/28/2012 9:21:30 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Digger

There’s nowhere to run to.

If liberty is allowed to die here, it dies everywhere.


32 posted on 06/28/2012 9:22:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Folks like you should be standing right beside me on this.”

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What POSSIBLY makes you think I’m not?

I’m just pointing out where the REAL progress needs to be made against Communism. Words, tea parties and elections are not working.


33 posted on 06/28/2012 9:22:26 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: daisy mae for the usa; BlackElk; joanie-f; Steve Schulin; Gelato; Colonel_Flagg; wagglebee; ...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

NFIB v. Sebelius

Quote:

The Affordable Care Act describes the payment as a “penalty,” not a “tax.” That label cannot control whether the payment is a tax for purposes of the Constitution, but it does determine the application of the Anti-Injunction Act. The Anti-Injunction Act therefore does not bar this suit.

Quote:

The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce.”

Quote:

3. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS concluded in Part III–B that the individual mandate must be construed as imposing a tax on those who do not have health insurance, if such a construction is reasonable.

The most straightforward reading of the individual mandate is that it commands individuals to purchase insurance. But, for the reasons explained, the Commerce Clause does not give Congress that power. It is therefore necessary to turn to the Government’s alternative argument: that the mandate may be upheld as within Congress’s power to “lay and collect Taxes.” Art. I, §8, cl. 1. In pressing its taxing power argument, the Government asks the Court to view the mandate as imposing a tax on those who do not buy that product. Because “every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality,” Hooper v. California, 155 U. S. 648, 657, the question is whether it is “fairly possible” to interpret the mandate as imposing such a tax, Crowell v. Benson, 285 U. S. 22, 62. Pp. 31–32.

4. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Part III–C, concluding that the individual mandate may be upheld as within Congress’s power under the Taxing Clause. Pp. 33–44.

(a) The Affordable Care Act describes the “[s]hared responsibility payment” as a “penalty,” not a “tax.” That label is fatal to the application of the Anti-Injunction Act. It does not, however, control whether an exaction is within Congress’s power to tax. In answering that constitutional question, this Court follows a functional approach, “[d]isregarding the designation of the exaction, and viewing its substance and application.” United States v. Constantine, 296 U. S. 287, 294. Pp. 33–35.

(b) Such an analysis suggests that the shared responsibility payment may for constitutional purposes be considered a tax. The payment is not so high that there is really no choice but to buy health insurance; the payment is not limited to willful violations, as penalties for unlawful acts often are; and the payment is collected solely by the IRS through the normal means of taxation. Cf. Bailey v. Drexel Furniture Co., 259 U. S. 20, 36–37. None of this is to say that payment is not intended to induce the purchase of health insurance. But the mandate need not be read to declare that failing to do so is unlawful. Neither the Affordable Care Act nor any other law attaches negative legal consequences to not buying health insurance, beyond requiring a payment to the IRS. And Congress’s choice of language—stating that individuals “shall” obtain insurance or pay a “penalty”—does not require reading §5000A as punishing unlawful conduct. It may also be read as imposing a tax on those who go without insurance. See New York v. United States, 505 U. S. 144, 169–174. Pp. 35–40.

(c) Even if the mandate may reasonably be characterized as a tax, it must still comply with the Direct Tax Clause, which provides: “No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.” Art. I, §9, cl. 4. A tax on going without health insurance is not like a capitation or other direct tax under this Court’s precedents. It therefore need not be apportioned so that each State pays in proportion to its population. Pp. 40–41.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 9:25:57 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EyeGuy
I’m just pointing out where the REAL progress needs to be made against Communism. Words, tea parties and elections are not working.

I'll point to my final sentence:

Throw all the bums out, before it’s too late.

35 posted on 06/28/2012 9:28:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Well, this is why I’ve said over and over and over again, we each have a duty to arrange our lives so as to minimize the damage that liberals like Obama and Romney can and will try to visit upon us. It is instructive to notice the reaction today here at FreeRepublic where many of Romney’s fans are even more enthusiastic about voting for him. They just can’t get enough of this socialist hogwash. They must know that Romney’s “repeal and replace” means Romneycare.

I’m voting for you, Tom!


36 posted on 06/28/2012 9:42:29 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: EternalVigilance
From the decision, page 6:

"It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

37 posted on 06/28/2012 10:16:03 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
It's their job to support and defend the Constitution, no matter what political choices anyone makes.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

-- James Madison, the Father of the U.S. Constitution


38 posted on 06/28/2012 10:22:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Income taxes are Constitutional, per the 16th Amendment. Congress can tax whatever the hell they please, for whatever reason they please. That’s settled law and has been a hundred years.

I don’t like it, but it’s the Law. No you’re either for the Rule of Law or the rule of men.

Pick one.


39 posted on 06/28/2012 10:29:06 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Is Tom Hoefling on the ballot in all 50 states? This is the first I have heard of him. If possible I would appreciate a link. I plan on voting down ticket, however If this guy is a Conservative I will gladly give him MY Vote.

Thanks,

MCB

40 posted on 06/28/2012 10:29:06 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: EyeGuy; EternalVigilance
So we can assume you (Hoefling) will NOT be paying your taxes? Let us know how that works out.
No kidding. Hoefling may be the best thing since sliced bread, but all he's done is *talk* a good fight. Heck, even *I* can bluster and puff my chest out and act like I'm bullet-proof and invisible, but until I present some feasible plan that allows non-compliance with Obama-care, I'm just yakkin' to deceive myself into feeling good about the crap situation I'm in. I'm wondering if Hoefling can do more than talk tough or pay lip-service? If so, let's hear it! I'll give him a fair chance to convince me.
41 posted on 06/28/2012 10:38:53 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: MotorCityBuck
I'm Tom Hoefling.

This is my campaign website:

TomHoefling.com

This is what I believe.

Our volunteers are working to make it possible for the folks in as many states as possible to vote for our ticket. If you want to join in that effort just sign up at the website.

By the way, this is our party's site:

SelfGovernment.US

You can reach me directly at tomhoefling@gmail.com. I'll be happy to answer any of your questions as quickly as possible.

42 posted on 06/28/2012 10:48:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks Tom!

I will look into it this weekend, and I will be happy to do what I can to help.

Scott


43 posted on 06/28/2012 10:56:01 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: LevinFan
Everyone thought McCain/Finegold would be overturned and it wasn't...thanks Bush, but all is not lost, it took 10 years but piece by piece it was overturned. I want to think the same thing can happen to this monstrosity...it just takes time and piece by piece it goes down the toilet.... My dad was not a big believer in *hope*, he would put out both hands and tell me to fill one with dog manure and the other with hope and which one fills up faster....but based on Mccain et all, I do have hope this will go the way given enough time....
44 posted on 06/28/2012 1:00:37 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: EternalVigilance

Of course he can.


45 posted on 07/17/2012 4:31:43 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: JLS
Yeah nothing like seeing Obama trolls like you out today trying to assure his reelection.

As soon as you get your nose out of Romney's butt you can kiss this!


46 posted on 07/17/2012 4:36:33 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: COBOL2Java

It took you a pretty long time to come back with your juvenile response. Of course coming back with a juvenile response is just what one would expect from an Obama troll.


47 posted on 07/17/2012 10:13:00 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

Glad you liked it!


48 posted on 07/18/2012 2:48:28 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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