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The REALITY Is: Today's Conservative Optimism is a Delusion!
IFB ^ | 7/1/12

Posted on 07/01/2012 5:31:29 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman

Today's conservative, optimistic ideal cannot support the excessive weight of the current crises and realities at hand. This fact must be recognized and accepted by the conservative right in this country. The current crises are reaching gigantic proportions - both nationally and globally. The good intentions and well wishes of this flawed ideology (Conservative optimism) has had its place in the past, but now in light of the global climate affected by ever-increasing human depravity, it is but a “spider’s web” of hope and a delusional lie and refuge in which many are holding on to (Job 8:14). For harnessing the unbridled passions of fallen humanity (i.e., the opening of “Pandora’s Box"), there is nothing to do to bring them back again. Pandora’s Box was cracked open at the Fall of Man in Eden’s Garden (Genesis 3), but since the 60’s the lid has been completely removed. In this outworking of lawlessness, this movement has corrupted and contaminated the United States and the whole earth (Matt 24:12; 1 Tim. 4:1-2; 2 Tim. 3:1-7).

It is a delusional lie and refuge in which many are holding on to!

As Conservatives and patriotic Americans, we must “face the music” and look to a more sound and sure foundation than an optimistic philosophy filled with good intentions and false hopes. We must ABANDON these false hopes and expectations and, as our Founding Fathers once did, place our firm reliance upon Almighty God in Spirit and Truth (John 4:24)

The good intentions and well wishes of this flawed ideology (Conservative optimism) has had its place in the past, but now in light of the global climate affected by ever-increasing human depravity, it is but a “spider’s web” of hope.

Conservative optimism - or any other false appraisal of a crisis situation - can never replace the sound, sure foundation of reality. Almighty God and His Word are indeed reality (Matt. 7:24-27).

Almighty God states: "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: Who hath declared this from ancient time? Who hath told it from that time? Have not I the LORD? And there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:21-22).

If Conservatives were only as objective and fact-finding about Almighty God and His Word as they are about all other subjects, they would see the big picture and would comprehend what has been transpiring, the current trends, and where these will lead us.

The Bible states: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Eph. 6:12).

The current events and political and social trends at hand are far greater than we could ever imagine. Prophetically speaking, we are now positioned in the time leading up to the great climactic outworking of history: the War of all the Ages with Lucifer and his demonic horde pitted against the Eternal Sovereignty and Reign of Almighty God (Isaiah 14:12-17, Ezekiel 28:12-19).

We are globally positioned at the very door of the Global Catastrophes of the last days (Isaiah 24:1-20; Joel 2:10; Matt. 24; Rev. 8 & 16); Anti-Christ’s 3½-year reign of global tyranny (Dan. 7:8, 24-26; 2 Thess. 2:3-12; Rev. 13); the Battle of Armageddon (Zech. 14:1-3; Rev. 16:13-16); and Jesus Christ’s Glorious Second Coming to reign and rule on earth for 1000 years (Dan. 2:44-45; 7:13-14, 22; Matt. 24:30; Rev.11:15-16; 19:11-16).

True Optimism

Conservative ideologies and all other human ideologies will have to yield to the absolute righteousness and perfection demanded by Almighty God. No human ideology or philosophy can ever produce or bring about this required righteousness and righteous environment. All will be required to know and worship Almighty God in Spirit and Truth (Reality) - Isaiah 65:16, John: 4:24. The delusional imaginations of man will be forever removed, and all will worship and honor Almighty God for who He Is (Exodus 3:13-15), whether in Heaven above or in Hell below. (Romans 14:11; Philip. 2:10-11). Link

Have Faith in Almighty God!

Having faith in Almighty God (Mark 11:22) and a healthy, Biblical optimism based on reality is the only sure hope for the Conservative today. The only true optimist is a Biblical realist.

In these ever-trying and exponentially-changing times, may you put aside your optimistic ideals for this present world to place your Faith and Trust in the only SURE FOUNDATION and SOUND HOPE there is, namely, the REALITY of Almighty God and His Word (Psalm 119:89, 160; Isaiah 40:8; Matt. 24:35, 1 Peter 1:25).

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!!


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1 posted on 07/01/2012 5:31:34 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“The REALITY Is: Today’s Conservative Optimism is a Delusion! “

In the words of Reagan:

“Awwww shut up”

If you think it is all over then quit your job, give away all of your stuff, and go live in the woods.

You certainly have no reason to be goofing around on the internet.


2 posted on 07/01/2012 5:41:58 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Oh Geeze,thanks for the article, Mr. Happy.

The Roberts ruling was NOT good for the conservatives but it wasn’t the end of the world. There are still things we can do.

I’m glad some of the gloom-and-doom conservatives (Mr, fisherman) weren’t in the army with George Washington. He lost battles time after time after time and yet defeated the most powerful military in the world (at the time) with passionate, determined, smart patriots. We don’t give up – the Libs certainly don’t. We have to fight to the finish for conservatism.

Read this article about the Roberts ruling. It may help you feel better:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/randy-barnett-says-roberts-tax-power-argument-is-lame-but-easily-fixed/article/2501028

Donate to some of the conservatives who have a decent chance of beating a Dem.

Please, anyone thinking of voting for Gary Johnson RETHINK your decision. Yep, I’m not happy either with Romney but gone are the days of electing anyone and not being “all over” their every move and decision. VIGILANCE ! We are going to make him(Romney) govern as a conservative, one way or another.. same with a Republican congress.

Voting for a 3rd party is being a baby.

“Wah, wah, wah, my candidate didn’t win so I’m not going to vote for who did win.”

Grow the F*** up. This is war, not middle school.

stenwin77 on July 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM


3 posted on 07/01/2012 5:46:04 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: VanDeKoik

Hey JC I didn’t expect you back this soon!


4 posted on 07/01/2012 5:47:48 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Without faith there is no opitmizim. We have Faith & HOPE


5 posted on 07/01/2012 5:49:32 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Things aren't as good as they should be and its Obama's fault, the resident said)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I know that the Good Guys win in the end.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 5:54:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Reagan69

“We have to fight to the finish for conservatism.”

True, but is voting for whatever liberal clown the Going On Progressive party runs because he’s not as bad as Obama really fighting for conservatism?

“Voting for a 3rd party is being a baby.”

Since you brought up George Washington, would our founding fathers vote for the “lesser of two evils” Obama/Romney, or would they vote for George Washington if he was running against those two flaming libtards as a third party candidate?


7 posted on 07/01/2012 5:59:15 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Reagan69
Well said. I guess for many on this board, Tokyo Rose and Lord Haw Haw were actually great Amercian and British patriots just trying to wise up their countrymen on the "reality" of the situation.


8 posted on 07/01/2012 6:08:17 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ( Romney blows with the political winds, Obama just blows.)
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To: HerrBlucher; The Ignorant Fisherman
Yup. Faithless surrender monkey. Real conservatism is optimistic at its core. It believes unflinchingly in the principles laid out by our Founding Fathers and the certainty that they will prevail in the end. Conservatism also believes that those values are worth fighting and dying for.

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. We only learn through adversity and pain, and this minor setback shouldn't deter us from the moral certainty of our rightness and the historical certainty that conservative principles are the only principles that will allow people to be free and still be governed.
9 posted on 07/01/2012 6:20:55 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Still a bit of rope left, so let's not give it all up now. We still haven't entered the End Times 9or the Bible and its scholars have sadly misjudged the sequence/time-frame of the events), but we are definitley seeing signs. Many will continue to become martyrs by doing what they can to see Romney fail and to elevate Obama to supreme dictator, but we need to follow Christ's footsteps - even He lost it and trashed the tables of the hypocritical money changers and todays politicians are nothing more than that.

They now want to study the "radicalization of Christians" and I respond, "Onward Christian Soldiers!".

10 posted on 07/01/2012 6:30:51 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Let's all embrace Socialism or better yet Communism over the US Constitution. We will all be better off under Godless Democrats and Progressives.

/Sarcasm OFF

11 posted on 07/01/2012 6:47:11 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: VanDeKoik; The Ignorant Fisherman

VDK, could not have said it better!

Pessimist claiming to be conservative and Christian? I don’t think so.

As my Grandma used to say “must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed”.


12 posted on 07/01/2012 6:53:45 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Prophetically speaking, we are now positioned in the time leading up to the great climactic outworking of history: the War of all the Ages with Lucifer and his demonic horde pitted against the Eternal Sovereignty and Reign of Almighty God (Isaiah 14:12-17, Ezekiel 28:12-19).

That war has been going on for a long time.

Lo, the conflict of the ages is upon us today,
And the armies are assembling all in battle array;
Are you numbered with the faithful, one of God’s loyal few,
Who have sworn Him full allegiance? can He count upon you?

Catch the vision of a lost world going downward in sin,
While the Master’s great commission long unheeded has been;
See the children of the kingdom joined in heart and in hand,
Pressing forward in the struggle to redeem this fair land.

Have your eyes caught the vision?
Have your hearts felt the thrill?
To the call of the Master do you answer, "I will"?
For the conflict of the ages, told by prophets and by sages,
In its fury is upon us, is upon us today.

--Lelia N. Morris, 1905

13 posted on 07/01/2012 6:54:55 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The problem here is that the vast majority of Christianity is very optimistic. Only offshoots like Calvinism embrace pessimism.

Likewise, Judaism tends to an odd sort of pessimism of an almost Asiatic variety. And it and Christianity do not mesh well because this fundamental difference runs so deep that it even includes their interpretations of human history.

A good way to describe the Jewish view is as a sine wave. When times are very bad for the Jews, their inclination is to become more religious, moral and righteous, and because of this they are rewarded with better times, increased prosperity and well being. But when times are good, they stray from their faith, lose their moral underpinnings and misbehave, which leads to their downfall and punishment.

This leads to a pessimistic outlook, because if times are good, despair, oppression and poverty is just around the corner.

Using the same model, however, Christianity is like a sawtooth wave. Their view of history is that, left to our own devices, mankind will invariably degenerate into a moral cesspool. But when we are at a low ebb, a great spiritual leader, like the Biblical patriarchs and even Jesus, comes along and very abruptly elevates mankind to a great spiritual and moral height.

This lends itself to great optimism, as the worse things get, the closer mankind is to having a great spiritual revival. It even reaches a point that before the greatest of all spiritual evolutions, even mankind is not debauched enough to descend so low, that a powerful, unearthly and evil being will drive us all down into the basement.

So how does this relate to conservative optimism?

Conservatives are optimistic because they temper their optimism with realism. They reject idealistic perfectionism on Earth, as well as the efforts by the left to achieve it.

The left screams that (to quote Josef Stalin), “You can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs.”

But conservatives point out that vast numbers of eggs can be broken and still not make an omelet, because that is the left’s entire recipe, to break eggs.

That, combined with the fact that those leftists that embrace the international socialism movement are inherently anti-national sovereign, anti-patriotic, and are opposed to any unique American culture, provides more than adequate motivation for conservatives to both oppose them and be optimistic.

Because leftists are ignorant, naive and ineffectual. They can only tear down, they cannot create, because they are fools.


14 posted on 07/01/2012 7:13:03 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

You sound like my FIL.


15 posted on 07/01/2012 7:14:16 AM PDT by OKSooner (Never take a "known safety risk" shooting with you even if he is an ordained minister.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

We need to look to history before thinking about a third party candidate.
Flash back 1992, Bush v Clinton, nobody was happy with that pairing and with the MSM hyping “Read my lips” and the Ross Perot pie charts we wound up with Billy Jeff for 8 years.
The dims are very good at looking to history, understanding what happened and tweaking that outcome to manipulate the future.
Our October surprise will be an “almost charismatic” (which Ross wasn’t) third party candidate that will be used to split the conservative and the independent votes. (something H Ross could not do).


16 posted on 07/01/2012 7:49:24 AM PDT by free thinker 03 (Wouldn't it be refreshing if politicians actually listened to the people who elected them)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I know that the Good Guys win in the end.

I know that the God wins in the end.

The scripture says, "He that trusts in man is under a curse."
Decades ago I heard someone say the political and social pendulums swing to the left and then back to the right. I've noticed the social pendulum never seems to swung back. The depravity in the US just keeps slowly getting worse.

I'll continue to vote conservative, but I won't put my hope in conservatism. Hope in God. Come Lord Jesus.

17 posted on 07/01/2012 8:02:59 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
What conservative optimism? What is conservative optimism?

18 posted on 07/01/2012 9:53:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: X-spurt

My friend the word you forget to label me with is REALIST. Remember 1938?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time

Were the realist of that day pessimistic also... same truth different setting.


19 posted on 07/02/2012 1:34:22 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: BornToBeAmerican

My friend,

In what do you have faith or hope in? Faith has to be locked onto someone or something (Heb. 11:1,6). Hope, faith and optimism flouting around as a cloud is a delusion.


20 posted on 07/02/2012 1:59:45 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: Reagan69

My dear friend....

Lol… Blah, Blah Blah... You sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher or parents when they would speak. My dear friend you cannot be this clueless and delusional? You must have just gotten on board the political band wagon of late. The fight is as a fight until there is no more… but again if you read the full post and put down the “optimistic kool aid and took a swig from reality and the overwhelming EXPONENTIAL evidence of our hour you would have understood the “objective” point of view of the post.

There are no more magic ponies, cotton candy clouds, gum drop mountains, good luck fairies and fruit punch rivers my friend in America no matter who is preaching it in the New Media. La-La land optimism has had its curtain pulled back and the jig is up son.

Reality and objective assessment is not quitting and conceding but getting ready for the end. Remember Arthur Neville Chamberlain claims then… 50 million deaths later. We are at the end my friend and the sooner you open your eye the better

My dear friend, I hope you get your head out of your la-la land delusion and join the realists of America then when we fall as a nation you will not be surprised and in full panic. (Prov. 1:21-33). May it be so!

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


21 posted on 07/02/2012 2:16:34 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: VanDeKoik

My friend, Darkness is a safe place to live in is it not? (John 3:19-21)

In the Word’s of Peter and Paul..

1 Thess. 5:3, 2 Peter 3:3-4

Stay thirsty my friend... (optimistic Kool aid) with no reality chaser.


22 posted on 07/02/2012 2:22:21 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Caesar is due an ass kicking, and it’s our job to see he gets what he’s owed.


23 posted on 07/02/2012 2:36:46 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I have faith in a lot of things, but no more than my God and Father and his Son.

You might be in the clouds my friend, but my feet are firmly planted as is my faith and optimism.

“Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.”(Romans 5:1)

Psm 23:1 The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.


24 posted on 07/02/2012 3:44:08 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Things aren't as good as they should be and its Obama's fault, the resident said)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; The Ignorant Fisherman

yef, am sorry I missed your post the other day, it was right on point, dead on.

IgFisherman, take note. You choose to look at things negatively. You can also choose to look at life in a more postive way. Your choice my FRiend.


25 posted on 07/02/2012 6:27:28 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

No Siree I don’t remember doodly squat from 1938.

I know lots of realists and you are no realist, just a pessimist. A realist would know that America has had lots of ups and downs and this down does not compare to a few other down times I could point out.

Now that’s the last I was have to say. Have you a bright optimistic day.


26 posted on 07/02/2012 6:34:17 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt

Thanks my friend for your reply. In light of our day... I think I do look at things from a positive perspective from God’s Word. That is the most objective and positive way I truly believe.

I.F.


27 posted on 07/02/2012 8:21:56 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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