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Economics 101 Tells Us That the War on Drugs is a Complete Failure: Prices Are Going Down, Not Up
Carpe Diem ^ | July 6, 2012 | Mark Perry

Posted on 07/06/2012 4:52:57 PM PDT by BfloGuy

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To: BfloGuy

The cartels have figured out that they can smuggle drugs by mixing them in with potential voters and watching the Democrats suck them across the border by capillary action.


41 posted on 07/06/2012 7:30:04 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Ken H

intrastate? Hard drugs pour across borders into our local friendly Seven Elevens. Crime gangs crossing borders to slaughter each other (and yes there will be gangs) And we couldn’t stop that? What are you smoking?


42 posted on 07/06/2012 7:42:11 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn
Hard drugs pour across borders into our local friendly Seven Elevens.

A little while ago, you posted:

Heroin and cocaine are not handed out like Slurpees at Seven-Eleven.

You've got some schizo Seven-Eleven's out there.

43 posted on 07/06/2012 7:50:01 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: heye2monn
intrastate? Hard drugs pour across borders into our local friendly Seven Elevens. Crime gangs crossing borders to slaughter each other (and yes there will be gangs) And we couldn’t stop that? What are you smoking?

You sound like Nancy Pelosi - 'Are you SERIOUS?' Be that as it may, answer the question put to you. It's a very simple one.

Which section of the Constitution do you believe delegates to Congress the power to regulate intrastate drug policies?

44 posted on 07/06/2012 7:59:41 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: BfloGuy
If there is one number that embodies the seemingly intractable challenge imposed by the illegal drug trade on the relationship between the United States and Mexico, it is $177.26. That is the retail price, according to Drug Enforcement Administration data, of one gram of pure cocaine from your typical local pusher. That is 74 percent cheaper than it was 30 years ago.

I remember it being $30-50 a gram 30 years ago. Is that what Obama paid?

45 posted on 07/06/2012 8:13:06 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: brent13a; Strategerist

Muslims have always been big drug users. Iran has no interest in getting rid of drugs in their society. They count on their population being on drugs to control them.


46 posted on 07/06/2012 8:19:45 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
I remember it being $30-50 a gram 30 years ago.

The ONDCP says the price for 1 gm of pure cocaine in 1982 was $590 v the $177 today.

http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/fed-data/cocaine-prices.htm

47 posted on 07/06/2012 8:58:55 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: OneWingedShark
I believe “The War on Drugs” to be in reality a war on rights, particularly property and legal rights.

I believe you are correct.

The 'war' is also a means of wealth redistribution, and a source of money laundering for the 'elites' some of whom are in our government.
48 posted on 07/06/2012 8:59:25 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: brent13a
By your logic we should disband the military and just let the islamists have their way because we’ll never win.

How is it LOGICAL to assume as you have done that the Marines and Armed forces have inferior intellect, worse firepower, and poorer strategic abilities than some cavemen out to get 72 virgins after they die?

49 posted on 07/06/2012 9:01:12 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: heye2monn
Thanks to that war, heroin and cocaine are not for sale at the local convenience store. etc.

The war on drugs has nothing to do with this. This is achieved through a simple law not permitting them to sell drugs. There is a difference between a simple law such as the one on preventing liquor sales to minors and the war on drugs. The term 'war on drugs' also includes millions of dollars funneled away by corrupt politicians and their cronies in the name of fighting the war on drugs. Most of these politicians are RINOs who are supported by frightened conservatives who have been told that the only way to prevent a proliferation of drugs in our society is if we give them the money to fight the war on drugs.

50 posted on 07/06/2012 9:07:22 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: UCANSEE2
When we deal with WHY people will do anything to ALTER THEIR MIND, even if it kills them, we can then begin to solve the drug and alcohol addiction.

Well-now we know the why, on the general level at least: man is helplessly and hopelessly broken. (Fortunately there is a God, and He can fix that and be hope for the hopeless and and help for the helpless.) But that answer is not intuitively translated into "real-life" actions, is it?
Sending men with guns to beat down those distributing it is not the answer.
Depriving people of their dignity is not the answer.
Screaming and whining about the evils of alcohol is not the answer.
The real answer, for many of their particular WHY, is absurdly simple: love them. Why do you think people seek to escape reality? Because in reality they feel alone, unvalued, unloved, and/or injustice.

Indeed, I predict there will be a strong rise in alcoholism (and perhaps other drugs) as government becomes more and more intrusive; nothing says "you don't matter" like a government organization, nothing says "you have no value" like the faceless bureaucracy that makes you jump through hoops at their whim, and nothing perpetrates injustice like a group that deems itself above all reckoning.

51 posted on 07/06/2012 9:22:01 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: brent13a

Actually the US government is pretty serious about crimes against the US government.

For example, when bank robbery went from a crime against private citizens to a crime against the government that insures banks, bank robbery pretty quickly went from a professional criminal’s crime to usual an amateur’s crime.

So if the US government decided to tax and regulated various drugs, they would pretty quickly run other criminal organizations out of that business. They certainly did when prohibition was ended.

But as prohibition shows us, professional criminals will likely find other ways to make money as they quickly did after prohibition ended.


52 posted on 07/06/2012 11:11:59 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: tacticalogic

I was talking about the libertarian utopia. Today hard drugs are not handed out like Slurpees, tomorrow they are.


53 posted on 07/07/2012 4:52:41 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Ken H

Domestic tranquility, justice, common defense — all that my friend. Control of the borders from violent drug-crazed criminals — working closely with local police — is essential to keep cocaine out of Slurpees in Seven-Eleven. Only a late-sleeping overeducated libertarian could fail to see that.


54 posted on 07/07/2012 4:57:39 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: JimWayne

Who will enforce that law against the local convenience stores selling drugs? Don’t they have a constitutional right to do?


55 posted on 07/07/2012 4:59:39 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn
I was talking about the libertarian utopia.

Should we be impressed that you can kick the strawman's ass?

56 posted on 07/07/2012 6:34:17 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: heye2monn
Me: Which section of the Constitution do you believe delegates to Congress the power to regulate intrastate drug policies?

You: Domestic tranquility, justice, common defense — all that my friend

The Preamble?? You have got to be kidding me! I continue to be amazed at the level of ignorance and/or contempt for the Constitution by some posters here.

57 posted on 07/07/2012 1:27:25 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

The Preamble to the United States Constitution is a brief introductory statement of the Constitution’s fundamental purposes and guiding principles. It states in general terms, and courts have referred to it as RELIABLE EVIDENCE of, the Founding Fathers’ intentions regarding the Constitution’s meaning and what they hoped the Constitution would achieve.


58 posted on 07/07/2012 1:57:45 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: tacticalogic

Yes, thank you, my brilliance is impressive. The libertarian utopia, dreams unrestrained by reality, is filled with strawmen. Not only with straw but also weed, seeds, leaves, hemp, coca, and poppies.


59 posted on 07/07/2012 2:07:48 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn

Right, but you cited the Preamble as delegating a specific power to Congress. Do you wish to retract that?


60 posted on 07/07/2012 2:17:00 PM PDT by Ken H
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