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Should Arizona secede?
Tenth Amendment Network ^ | 7/9/2012 | Marc Gindin

Posted on 07/09/2012 8:18:24 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentNetwork

An air of hostility now broods between the state of Arizona and the United States government. In the parent/child relationship between the two -- as upheld by the Supreme Court in its recent rulings on Arizona's immigration law -- Arizona finds itself in an unenviable position with a choice to make: 1) back down from a bullying federal government and fall into line; 2) wait out the problem and hope for a friendlier administration as soon as 2013; or 3) consider the unthinkable: find a path to secede from the United States.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: arizona; immigration; secede
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I’m all for a nationwide state driven tax revolt. Hell I’ve long supported cutting our own state of Michigan off and making us fix our own problems.


41 posted on 07/09/2012 8:49:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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I am amused at all of this talk about secession being “illegal.” Illegal in what sphere? Besides, what is justifiable is more important than any concept of legality. I confess that I am a bit surprised at some of the readiness of others on here to quietly back down.


42 posted on 07/09/2012 8:50:10 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: driftless2

“How can a state that was created by the federal government claim sovereignty?”

Is this facetious? I hope so.


43 posted on 07/09/2012 8:54:35 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: RC2
“From my understanding, Arizona cannot secede from the U.S. legally.”

In 1776 it was also illegal for the 13 colonies to secede from Great Briton. Then in 1861, 11 states did and it cost 600,000 lives to "Save the Union". I would guess that if Arizona did atempt to secede, there would be hell to pay. Both in the courts and in the field. That said, I would be more than happy to live in the Republic of Arizona.

44 posted on 07/09/2012 8:57:44 AM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

The Feds would cut off vital services like Airport Landing Routes. They threatened Texas with a no-fly-zone a few years ago when they were in the process of kicking the TSA to the curb.


45 posted on 07/09/2012 8:59:07 AM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: muawiyah

Show me the phrase or words in the constitution that says a state can secede from union. The states agreed to a union when they rejected the articles of confederation and adopted the constitution in 1787. This issue was settled in 1865. Of course I’m serious. If you think you can have a country where any state can leave and set up an independent country because some nuts in the state legislature decided they’re being oppressed, then you have some serious faults in logic. What does the word union mean to you? The idea that individual states can secede (and supposedly rejoin) willy-nilly is preposterous. PREPOSTEROUS!!! How’s that for being serious.


46 posted on 07/09/2012 8:59:51 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

I can’t say about Arizona, but I am beginning to think Florida secedeing might not be a bad idea.


47 posted on 07/09/2012 9:00:51 AM PDT by sport
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To: ScottinVA

I would love to see the states divided. I am sick of liberals. Give them their own country and conservatives can have theirs. Independents can move to Canada.


48 posted on 07/09/2012 9:01:46 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: driftless2
now, you tell me why you want to change the subject ~ i merely addressed the issue regarding the basis on which a state is admitted to the union.
49 posted on 07/09/2012 9:04:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Nowhere Man

I was looking for the like button! I was thinking the same thing. But, we would still be in the same fix.


50 posted on 07/09/2012 9:04:51 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: ilovesarah2012

“Independents can move to Canada.”

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“Independents”???

Since they have no grounding, bedrock principles on ANY issue, and we can’t even define what they are are, they might just evaporate into thin air.....


51 posted on 07/09/2012 9:07:15 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: MNDude
There are truly massive waterworks throughout the nation, many of them on large rivers ~ both civilian and military.

You need to deduct those costs to come up with what part of what gets handled at all by a state.

52 posted on 07/09/2012 9:08:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek

I’m SO glad, Hispanic criminals find my Missouri so unattractive. Heck even Michigan’s Upper Penisula has a higher percentage of Illegals.


53 posted on 07/09/2012 9:09:53 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: moonshot925

Interesting reference.

However, let’s say a state (oh, let’s say California) decides to give away various ‘rights’ to illegal aliens, and thereby bankrupts itself. To make good on all the Gov’t largess it has promised it’s citizens (legal and illegal) it must recieve huge “dontations” from other states.

Realizing that financial responsibilty is a fool’s game; other states soon decide to grant themselves obscene ‘rights’ at the expense of the other states. For argument’s sake, let’s pretend these states are along the Eastern seaboard and Michigan.

Now, a few states have effectively created a case of indentured servitude (slavery) for every other state - and since no state can succeed; there only recorse is a violent and bloody revolution.

The seeds have been sown, and the Libtards are using ample fertilizer to reap a crop that no one wants.


54 posted on 07/09/2012 9:30:39 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

Was not the constituion originally ratified, only on the condition that - as demanded by many states - they be able to secede from the union if it “became destructive of these ends?” (protecting our right)


55 posted on 07/09/2012 9:50:48 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork
Yes, I hope Arizona does succeed?
56 posted on 07/09/2012 9:56:13 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Jane Long

If the ctizens of the State didn’t have to pay FIT they could better afford to pay more for their own services without the federal government’s mandates and redistribution.


57 posted on 07/09/2012 10:00:30 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: napscoordinator

Lots of states could survive. Secession would also include NOT sending money to the fed gov.


58 posted on 07/09/2012 10:20:42 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: cripplecreek

If AZ chooses to do this, we will have to talk to Perry. maybe AZ wouldn’t have to be alone.


59 posted on 07/09/2012 10:22:35 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: moonshot925
Secession is illegal and treasonous.

OF COURSE secession is illegal. You secede when you believe the sovereign power has gone outside of its authority to govern. No sovereign is going to allow secession to be a legal act.

60 posted on 07/09/2012 10:24:10 AM PDT by agere_contra
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