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Should Arizona secede?
Tenth Amendment Network ^ | 7/9/2012 | Marc Gindin

Posted on 07/09/2012 8:18:24 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentNetwork

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1 posted on 07/09/2012 8:18:32 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentNetwork
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

At least from McCain.


2 posted on 07/09/2012 8:20:10 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

secede and wake this country up


3 posted on 07/09/2012 8:21:18 AM PDT by jrd (DO AWAY WITH THE EPA)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

All 50 States should secede


4 posted on 07/09/2012 8:22:12 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

From my understanding, Arizona cannot sucede from the U.S. legally. What they can do is attempt it and it may wake up the rest of the states in a big way. As well as the people.


5 posted on 07/09/2012 8:23:49 AM PDT by RC2 (Buy American and support the Wounded Warrior Project whenever possible.)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

I can’t imagine how all these states think they could seceed when they take so much money from the Federal Government. Very few states would survive on their own.


6 posted on 07/09/2012 8:24:05 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: bmwcyle

Juan McCain can secede any time!


7 posted on 07/09/2012 8:25:12 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

I think it would be better to have Washington DC secede.


8 posted on 07/09/2012 8:25:12 AM PDT by RC2 (Buy American and support the Wounded Warrior Project whenever possible.)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork
Arizona has a fourth course. Under Article I, Section 10 of the Federal Constitution, the Federalization of the War making power has an exception, when a State is actually invaded or in immediate danger of such.

Arizona could call up the militia (its able-bodied young manhood) & deal with the invasion.

Let us not be so quick to dissolve the Union, simply because the Federal Government has temporarily fallen into anti-ethnic American hands.

William Flax

9 posted on 07/09/2012 8:25:24 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

How can a state that was created by the federal government claim sovereignty? This whole secession business is riciculous.


10 posted on 07/09/2012 8:25:39 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

Succession is illegal and treasonous.

Texas v. White (1869)


11 posted on 07/09/2012 8:25:52 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: napscoordinator
I can’t imagine how all these states think they could seceed when they take so much money from the Federal Government. Very few states would survive on their own.

Unless the "red states" can somehow band together and form a federal union themselves.

12 posted on 07/09/2012 8:26:40 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

If at first you don’t secede......


13 posted on 07/09/2012 8:26:53 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: RC2

If a state were to secede, the Federal governments legal system really wouldn’t matter anymore. What are they gonna do, sue them in the World Court? Would that matter if they didn’t recognize them as well?


14 posted on 07/09/2012 8:27:07 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

Arizona is landlocked and would die quickly.

The only way to win this fight is united.


15 posted on 07/09/2012 8:27:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: napscoordinator

Surivive? I believetThey would probably thrive. I think most people would be surprised at how much they did not miss the extra government BS which that money buys.


16 posted on 07/09/2012 8:28:27 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Nowhere Man

All 50 Governors need to form an alliance and fire fedzilla.


17 posted on 07/09/2012 8:29:19 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Nowhere Man

Yes yes, 50 states should secede and send illegals to remaining 7 states.


18 posted on 07/09/2012 8:31:34 AM PDT by trotskylvalia (where nose meets the grindstone)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork
Given the total mess that we have in Obama, Pelosi, Reid and those who support them; our nation is in deep trouble.

Such is our situation ... trying our souls.

It's "Give me Liberty or give me death" time ... again.

19 posted on 07/09/2012 8:31:48 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

Total seccession is not necessary. All a state has to do is just stop taking money from the Feds and support itself. Then nullify the Fed laws it is unhappy with. That is more of a passive agressive approach and makes it much harder for the Feds to fight agains’t. If you get 10 or so states that do this at the same time and also just stop sending in the alchohol, tobacco and gas taxes to the Feds the central govt would shut down in a couple of weeks from lack of funds.


20 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:28 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Manic_Episode
All 50 Governors need to form an alliance and fire fedzilla.

That'll work too.
21 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:34 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: napscoordinator
I can’t imagine how all these states think they could seceed when they take so much money from the Federal Government. Very few states would survive on their own.

I think you're confusing AZ with Kalifornia, my FRiend.

AZ makes a lot more than it takes.

22 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:36 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: moonshot925

Who was the Roberts in the 5-3 Texas v. White case?


23 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:36 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: cripplecreek

It technically is landlocked, but I can easily think the Mexicans would give them access on the Colorado River to the Sea of Cortez...


24 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:53 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: RC2
Arizona cannot secede from the U.S. legally

The actually is one way. The states could call for a Constitutional Convention, then pass an amendment allowing for secession.

Other than that, impossible. As someone once wrote, the Civil War made it "settled law" that states cannot secede from the Union as the Constitution stands now.

And for what it's worth, I'd love to see the states at least talk about calling for a Convention. Maybe that would scare the Fed's into respecting the 10th amendment.

25 posted on 07/09/2012 8:33:40 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: rovenstinez
It technically is landlocked, but I can easily think the Mexicans would give them access on the Colorado River to the Sea of Cortez...

You are aware that Mexico is on Obama's side?
26 posted on 07/09/2012 8:34:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork; napscoordinator

They also have the option of nullification.

As for the Federal tax situation, AZ is in the same boat as all the other states and that is they rely on FedGov-zilla to properly distribute tax monies that they (the States) have sent them. Few people realize that a portion of their local property taxes are sent to Washington to be redistributed by the DoEd (after they skim their “administrative costs”!)

The best route would be to tell FedGov-zilla to collect the taxes on their own as they would no longer forward any monies to them.


27 posted on 07/09/2012 8:34:52 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Nowhere Man

“All 50 States should secede.”

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No thanks.

I want NOTHING to do with Leftists.

NO conversation.

No “exchange of ideas”.

No cocktails.

And least of all, not even a single infectious germ contaminant, of their consummately destructive ideology.


28 posted on 07/09/2012 8:35:33 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: trotskylvalia
50 states should secede and send illegals to remaining 7 states.

I know it's only Monday, but that could be post of the week.

29 posted on 07/09/2012 8:36:07 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork
In the parent/child relationship between the two ...

No. The U.S. is not the parent of its member states.

30 posted on 07/09/2012 8:37:14 AM PDT by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork
Should Arizona secede?

If Obama is reelected, yes.

31 posted on 07/09/2012 8:40:54 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

The only way Obammy would let Arizona leave would be for it to join Mexico.


32 posted on 07/09/2012 8:44:42 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Leaning Right
Too late.

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33 posted on 07/09/2012 8:45:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: napscoordinator

many states pay out $2 for every dollar they get back.

The money that comes in, in large goes to waste, such as welfare, or the well connected.


34 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:12 AM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

There is absolutely no reason for Arizona to even consider the thought of seceding. This is a distortion or contamination of perspective.

Arizona citizens and most citizens of the United States are conservative and form the core of what it means to be US citizens. Those of the left should be concerned they have separated into their own nation because they cannot live by the Constitution and traditional structures of the United States. It is not Arizona’s problem, it is the problem of people, many in gov’t, who don’t “fit” in a free and advanced society. It is the left who are on the path to seceding. Arizona is just fine and need do nothing but push back.


35 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:24 AM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not on the "right")
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To: cripplecreek

“JOIN OR DIE.”


36 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:29 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

If at first you don’t secede, try, try again...................


37 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: All
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
38 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:50 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: RC2
The States can apply to the federal government for protection from invasion. When the federal government fails to provide this protection the states should sue for breach of contract and then secede from the union. The feds would have no ground to stand on in relation to the secession because they did not meet the requirements of the contract.

Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

39 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:50 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: driftless2
You can't be serious. Read the constitution. All new states are brought into the union on the same basis as the older states.

They are sovereign

40 posted on 07/09/2012 8:48:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I’m all for a nationwide state driven tax revolt. Hell I’ve long supported cutting our own state of Michigan off and making us fix our own problems.


41 posted on 07/09/2012 8:49:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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I am amused at all of this talk about secession being “illegal.” Illegal in what sphere? Besides, what is justifiable is more important than any concept of legality. I confess that I am a bit surprised at some of the readiness of others on here to quietly back down.


42 posted on 07/09/2012 8:50:10 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: driftless2

“How can a state that was created by the federal government claim sovereignty?”

Is this facetious? I hope so.


43 posted on 07/09/2012 8:54:35 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: RC2
“From my understanding, Arizona cannot secede from the U.S. legally.”

In 1776 it was also illegal for the 13 colonies to secede from Great Briton. Then in 1861, 11 states did and it cost 600,000 lives to "Save the Union". I would guess that if Arizona did atempt to secede, there would be hell to pay. Both in the courts and in the field. That said, I would be more than happy to live in the Republic of Arizona.

44 posted on 07/09/2012 8:57:44 AM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

The Feds would cut off vital services like Airport Landing Routes. They threatened Texas with a no-fly-zone a few years ago when they were in the process of kicking the TSA to the curb.


45 posted on 07/09/2012 8:59:07 AM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: muawiyah

Show me the phrase or words in the constitution that says a state can secede from union. The states agreed to a union when they rejected the articles of confederation and adopted the constitution in 1787. This issue was settled in 1865. Of course I’m serious. If you think you can have a country where any state can leave and set up an independent country because some nuts in the state legislature decided they’re being oppressed, then you have some serious faults in logic. What does the word union mean to you? The idea that individual states can secede (and supposedly rejoin) willy-nilly is preposterous. PREPOSTEROUS!!! How’s that for being serious.


46 posted on 07/09/2012 8:59:51 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

I can’t say about Arizona, but I am beginning to think Florida secedeing might not be a bad idea.


47 posted on 07/09/2012 9:00:51 AM PDT by sport
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To: ScottinVA

I would love to see the states divided. I am sick of liberals. Give them their own country and conservatives can have theirs. Independents can move to Canada.


48 posted on 07/09/2012 9:01:46 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: driftless2
now, you tell me why you want to change the subject ~ i merely addressed the issue regarding the basis on which a state is admitted to the union.
49 posted on 07/09/2012 9:04:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Nowhere Man

I was looking for the like button! I was thinking the same thing. But, we would still be in the same fix.


50 posted on 07/09/2012 9:04:51 AM PDT by MamaB
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