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Don't bet on getting rid of Obamacare
Orange County Register ^ | 7-8-2012 | Mark Landsbaum

Posted on 07/09/2012 2:12:49 PM PDT by Mark Landsbaum

Many Republicans decry the president's Affordable Care Act, but many of them like parts of the law. And don't forget that the GOP enacted its own huge medical entitlement under George W. Bush. ...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: entitlements; obamacare; repeal; replace

1 posted on 07/09/2012 2:12:54 PM PDT by Mark Landsbaum
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To: Mark Landsbaum

There are many RINO Republicans, That is the problem.

I doubt very much that with this bunch we now have we will ever get rid of Obamacare. I am just hoping they can slow it down a might.


2 posted on 07/09/2012 2:16:28 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Mark Landsbaum

I don’t buy into this. The American people do not deserve what they are getting. It’s force.


3 posted on 07/09/2012 2:18:33 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Mark Landsbaum
My Republican representative is already talking about keeping the part where your kids can stay on your policy forever and the part where you can't be declined for a preexisting condition.

We're screwed.

4 posted on 07/09/2012 2:18:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Mark Landsbaum
Many Republicans decry the president's Affordable Care Act, but many of them like parts of the law. And don't forget that the GOP enacted its own huge medical entitlement under George W. Bush

That's the difference between Republicans and conservatives. Republicans supported Bush's huge medical entitlements. Conservatives did not.

5 posted on 07/09/2012 2:21:40 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I agree with your assessment.
By the time my kids were 26, they had (or working on) their MBAs and bought their first house.
Twenty six IS NOT a child.


6 posted on 07/09/2012 2:22:17 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

Yes.

Obamacare is here to stay.

Why do you think Pelosi, Reid and Obama are smiling in every picture?

You’ll pay your tax and like it.

And for those who say “no” - what are you going to do to stop them?

The Republic is dead. We sold it for some warm fuzzies.

Sorry.


7 posted on 07/09/2012 2:22:45 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Who is your Rep?

Did he vote to repeal it?

Scroll down for list of how they voted.

8 posted on 07/09/2012 2:25:30 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: Mark Landsbaum
Don't bet on getting rid of Obamacare

We are all going to be slaves of the government until we rise up and throw off the yoke of tyranny as our forefathers did !!! Can't come soon enough !!!

9 posted on 07/09/2012 2:26:48 PM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

Freebies have never been repealed. The best anyone can hope for is a “rollback”. The RINOs don’t have the intestinal fortitude nor the backbone to fight the socialists.


10 posted on 07/09/2012 2:28:21 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

While I am realistic, I really hate these defeatist articles. Why even try then? Is that the message? Or is it just bitching for the sake of bitching? We have to fight and keep the pressure on, period. Or else we will end up in a Socialist Hellhole with 100% taxes on “the rich” (meaning everyone who isn’t living off the public teet) and stagnant growth.


11 posted on 07/09/2012 2:32:30 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

It is bitching for the sake of bitching.


12 posted on 07/09/2012 2:35:27 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

A benefit, once granted is seldom repealed. Doubt if this time around will be any different.


13 posted on 07/09/2012 2:35:46 PM PDT by donozark (Col. C.Beckwith:I'd rather go down the river with 7 studs than with a hundred shitheads.)
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To: svcw

When I was 26 I not only paid my own insurance, I paid my own rent, was married, and had a child.


14 posted on 07/09/2012 2:44:41 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: donozark
A benefit, once granted is seldom repealed. Doubt if this time around will be any different.

Tell that to the millions of Soviet Union citizens that were getting paid benefits by the communists. Governments come and go. DC is already bankrupt, which is why they are making these tyrannical power grabs. The last gasps from a dieing Empire. IMHO.

15 posted on 07/09/2012 3:00:24 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Mark Landsbaum

It’s definitely not going away. I’d be shocked if it was repealed and who knows what Romney’s “replacement” would be.


16 posted on 07/09/2012 3:15:25 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Haven’t you noticed? FR has become a clearinghouse for whining and complaining. No backbone allowed.


17 posted on 07/09/2012 3:32:49 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
While I am realistic, I really hate these defeatist articles. Why even try then? Is that the message? Or is it just bitching for the sake of bitching? We have to fight and keep the pressure on, period. Or else we will end up in a Socialist Hellhole with 100% taxes on “the rich” (meaning everyone who isn’t living off the public teet) and stagnant growth.

defeatist articles?? Nope, just facing cold reality.

It is very hard to objective view reality at times. I can't think of a society that was once free, that then transitions to a massive welfare/socialistic system, stop and start moving back towards Liberty (in a peaceful manner)?

I can't name one, can you?

The Federal leviathan is moving towards eventual collapse and there is nothing we can do to stop it. The inertia is too strong at this point.

I believe there are only two ways out: (1) is a total, absolute collapse or (2) Enough States develop leadership that move to legally and Constitutional roll back all unconstitutional functions of government.

No society "transitions" from Socialism to Freedom. Those in power never allow that to happen. When and if the States move to severely rollback the Federal government, to be successful it must be done in short order and in a sweeping manner.

For example, the EPA would be eliminated, all employees fired and their pensions revoked. All Federal buildings previously containing the EPA must be sold into private hands. It is only proper that the evil political class and the sadistic parasites they hire to tortures face the reality of the damage they have done to our Liberties and our Happiness.

This process would be repeated across most other departments.

A number of other steps must be taken, among them: repeal of the 17th Amendment, followed by the 16th amendment.

Realistically, none of this will likely happen. Our Founders all wrote of the nature of government -- as a necessary EVIL. It will soon (within 10 years) be an intolerable one.

Jefferson was correct when he wrote in 1788,

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.

18 posted on 07/09/2012 4:14:13 PM PDT by sand88
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To: justa-hairyape

Was speaking of USA, not USSR. We had/have a better credit rating than they. Otherwise we would not be so far in debt...If the welfare state breaks here, I would not want to live in any of our major cities, and many secondary ones!


19 posted on 07/09/2012 4:20:55 PM PDT by donozark (Col. C.Beckwith:I'd rather go down the river with 7 studs than with a hundred shitheads.)
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To: tatown
FR has become a clearinghouse for whining and complaining. No backbone allowed.

Huh?? what does your second sentence have to do with the first???

The cold reality is that the Statists are successfully marching through our institutions. They are destroying our Republic before our very eyes.

And you think people are wrong to complain and write about it? Yes, we vote for Conservatives and hope for the best.

Get a backbone?? Please explain to me exactly what this is in regards to a forum whereby we communicate through the written word??

The Freepers that are delusional are the ones who think if we elect Mitt, win the Senate and keep the House, then all will be fine. No, that would be a hopeful sign but only the beginning.

Reagan nudged us back towards Liberty for a while. Since then, government at all levels have been growing relentlessly. That is the reality we face.

And on a written forum there is nothing wrong with people expressing frustration and "whining" a little. It acts as a pressure release value.

Yes, it is disheartening at times to read all the negativity, but the simple fact is that the left is on the verge is attaining their goal of "fundamentally transforming" America.

Sorry for being so negative :) LOL. p.s. It's fun to complain!!

20 posted on 07/09/2012 4:26:27 PM PDT by sand88
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To: donozark
Many people said the same things about the USSR. It could never break up or fall apart. Well, it did. And some of their people were being run over by tanks. And the USSR had no problems starving millions in the Ukraine.

Concerning the US, the very act of not being able to feed its people in the cities, is not going to be bullet point on the job performance review of the feds. It will be another reason why they have failed.

21 posted on 07/09/2012 4:39:12 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Again, we’re talking about the USA, not USSR. We feed the world. If things go south here, the world falls. But that is a long way off. I hope that it is anyway...


22 posted on 07/09/2012 4:51:42 PM PDT by donozark (Col. C.Beckwith:I'd rather go down the river with 7 studs than with a hundred shitheads.)
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To: sand88

Rather than bitch, do something about it. Get a backbone...grow a pair...get it?


23 posted on 07/09/2012 4:51:48 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: tatown
Rather than bitch, do something about it. Get a backbone...grow a pair...get it?

meaningless dribble. You have no idea outside of this forum my activities in the cause of Liberty. Again, we only have words on this forum. It is good to vent and complain.

grow a pair? LOl. Get real. how insulting and arrogant. If only we could meet, you would not say those words to my face, trust me.

again, we only have words on this forum.

grow a pair, get it LOL wow your wisdom is beyond comprehension. Some Freepers are just rude and laughable naive.

24 posted on 07/09/2012 5:20:19 PM PDT by sand88
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To: tatown

I agree with you. Are we a bunch of sniveling John McCains, or are we going to fight this thing?


25 posted on 07/09/2012 5:26:45 PM PDT by samtheman (The Trillion Dollar ObamaCareTax definitely is a tax; just ask the US Supreme Court.)
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To: sand88

You sound like a pathetic little girl.

Bitch, moan and groan while the rest of us are out saving the republic. Think George Washington sat around and cried like you? How about Lincoln, Jefferson...? Get off your ass and do something, it will take away your fear.


26 posted on 07/09/2012 8:43:18 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: tatown
You sound like a pathetic little girl.

Bitch, moan and groan while the rest of us are out saving the republic.

LOL. you truly make me laugh at your meaningless dribble. What exactly are you doing to save our Republic. All I see from you are childish rantings of a loser.

Again, since you do not seem to have any comprehension skills at all, I have previously wrote that you have no idea what I do outside of FR in the cause of Liberty.

Your out trying to save our Republic ???? Really?? I fell over laughing at that one -lol.

Do we expect to see your name go down in history for saving our Republic??

LOL Thanks for the laugh and your childish, insulting words. You truly are one of the most pathetic and definitely the most rude Freeper I have ever encountered. You need help, serious help to overcome your rude nature.

27 posted on 07/10/2012 1:25:12 PM PDT by sand88
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