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Secret Message in Lincolnís Pocketwatch, 1861
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Posted on 07/10/2012 7:18:19 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Secret Message in Lincoln’s Pocketwatch, 1861

Secret Message in Lincoln’s Pocketwatch -  1861

‘In 2009 the Smithsonian found a “secret” message engraved in Abraham Lincoln’s watch by a watchmaker who was repairing it in 1861 when news of the attack on Fort Sumter reached Washington, D.C.

‘In an interview with The New York Times April 30, 1906, 84-year-old Jonathan Dillon recalled he was working for M.W. Galt and Co. on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, where he was repairing Lincoln’s watch. The owner of the shop announced that the first shot of the Civil War had been fired. Dillon reported that he unscrewed the dial of the watch, and with a sharp instrument wrote on the metal beneath:

‘The first gun is fired. Slavery is dead. Thank God we have a President who at least will try.’

‘He then signed and dated the inscription and closed the dial. Dillon told The New York Times in 1906 that to his knowledge, no one ever saw the inscription.

‘After being contacted by Dillon’s great-great-grandson, the museum agreed to remove the dial to see if the watchmaker’s message was inside. The museum did find a message inscribed on the brass underside of the movement. The wording was slightly different from Dillon’s own recollection. The actual engraving says:

‘Jonathan Dillon April 13-1861 Fort Sumpter [sic] was attacked by the rebels on the above date J Dillon April 13-1861 Washington Thank God we have a government Jonth Dillon

‘“Lincoln never knew of the message he carried in his pocket,” said the director of the National Museum of American History. This inscription remained hidden behind the dial for almost 150 years.’


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Reference; Society
KEYWORDS: 1861; abrahamlincoln; civilwar; cryptology; fortsumter; godsgravesglyphs; goldwatch; greatestpresident; hiddenengraving; lincoln; pocketwatch; presidentlincoln; secret; timepiece; uscivilwar; warbetweenthestates; watches
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Lincoln's English gold watch was purchased in the 1850s from George Chatterton, a Springfield, Illinois, jeweler. Lincoln was not outwardly vain, but the fine gold watch was a conspicuous symbol of his success as a prominent Illinois lawyer.

1 posted on 07/10/2012 7:18:32 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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More background story here ...

Lincoln’s Pocket Watch Reveals Long-Hidden Message

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/Lincolns-Pocket-Watch-Reveals-Long-Hidden-Message.html#

Confirmed Legend: Abraham Lincoln Pocket Watch was Opened

http://www.interwatches.com/blog/2009/06/08/Confirmed-Legend-Abraham-Lincoln-Pocket-Watch-was-Opened-


2 posted on 07/10/2012 7:21:58 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: SunkenCiv

This might be of interest ...

historical clockworks ping


3 posted on 07/10/2012 7:27:20 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

PFL


4 posted on 07/10/2012 7:27:46 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama's poll numbers are so low the Kenyans are claiming he was born in the USA!)
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To: DogByte6RER

Interesting. It shows that people often do recognize history as its being made.


5 posted on 07/10/2012 7:30:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DogByte6RER

It says “Jeff Davis”.

That seems significant, but no mention in the article.


6 posted on 07/10/2012 7:31:32 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: DogByte6RER
Seems like they missed some text there.
Doesn't that say "Jeff Davis", as in Jefferson Davis, POTUS of the Confederacy, right there?
He was elected Nov. 6, 1861 while the watch is signed April 13, 1861.
Why is "Jeff Davis" there?
7 posted on 07/10/2012 7:35:30 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Born to Conserve
It says “Jeff Davis”.

That seems significant, but no mention in the article.

It would have been, had he finished as he intended: "... sucks dirty donkey d---." But just then the boss walked in and he had to close up the watch.

8 posted on 07/10/2012 7:36:03 PM PDT by FredZarguna (But it's God's part... to bring ourselves to such a pass. Our natural business lies in escaping.)
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To: DogByte6RER

This angle should’ve been used for National Treasure 2.


9 posted on 07/10/2012 7:37:04 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Born to Conserve

The “1864” that’s there as well.


10 posted on 07/10/2012 7:37:07 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: DogByte6RER

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks DogByte6RER.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


11 posted on 07/10/2012 7:38:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: philman_36

Because though not yet “President,” he was still a well-known traitor.


12 posted on 07/10/2012 7:39:33 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("... until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword.")
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To: DogByte6RER
Obviously a secret code from his fellow vampire hunters.


13 posted on 07/10/2012 7:40:29 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: FredZarguna

Stauer has been selling a replica of this watch, complete with the inscription, for a couple of years. More history on it is in their marketing materials/website.

Gwjack


14 posted on 07/10/2012 7:41:02 PM PDT by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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To: LS

LS, thought you would find this interesting!


15 posted on 07/10/2012 7:41:56 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: FredZarguna

Hahahahahaha....


16 posted on 07/10/2012 7:43:05 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: gwjack

Darn. I thought this was something newly found.


17 posted on 07/10/2012 7:46:20 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: DogByte6RER

18 posted on 07/10/2012 7:46:20 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: FredZarguna

It looks like there was plenty of room for “Jeff Davis can KMA” ;-)


19 posted on 07/10/2012 7:49:06 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: FredZarguna
It seems that, judging from your replies 8 and 12, you've got some suppressed and repressed hostilities.
You should talk to a professional about them.
20 posted on 07/10/2012 7:53:58 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: tanknetter

The “6” might be a “4” perhaps the date and name of the watch maker?


21 posted on 07/10/2012 7:57:17 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: DogByte6RER

You shouldn’t deface somebodies property without their permission.


22 posted on 07/10/2012 8:05:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DogByte6RER

Is it just me or does *Thank God we have a government* seem different than the rest. It looks like girl writing, more modern and isn’t as squiggly? scratchy? as the rest. It looks like it was done with a machine to me.


23 posted on 07/10/2012 8:14:55 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: DogByte6RER

How much was he charged for the extra “work”


24 posted on 07/10/2012 8:21:59 PM PDT by Figment
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To: rlmorel

History is always fresh and new-—that’s why I like it.


25 posted on 07/10/2012 8:22:41 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Born to Conserve

Jefferson Davis ordered Gen P.G.T. Beauregard to demand the surrender of Ft Sumter, and if it did not, to reduce the fort before a relief expedition could arrive. The Confederate cabinet, meeting in Montgomery, endorsed Davis’s order on April 9. Only Secretary of State Robert Toombs opposed this decision: he reportedly told Jefferson Davis the attack “will lose us every friend at the North.


26 posted on 07/10/2012 8:23:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: dfwgator

My favorite part of that movie. And that is saying a lot about that little perfect movie.


27 posted on 07/10/2012 8:32:07 PM PDT by Hildy (F"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: philman_36

“You should talk to a professional about them. “

Even professionals can’t make a child mature.


28 posted on 07/10/2012 8:56:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Bet it was scribbled on there many years later. Smells suspicious. Any reputable jeweler would never have defaced a watch with such. If he had, he’d have done it one time and been extremely sorry when I found out.


29 posted on 07/10/2012 9:33:23 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Born to Conserve
It says “Jeff Davis”. That seems significant, but no mention in the article.

"Jeff Davis" is in a different handwriting than "Jonathan Dillon." Compare the "J" in Jeff and Jonathan and the "D" in Davis and Dillon.

30 posted on 07/10/2012 10:19:59 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: philman_36

Post 19 as well.

Seems some are always brave and loud, long after the deed was done.


31 posted on 07/10/2012 10:48:57 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Don't ever think that the reason I am peaceful is because I forgot how to be violent)
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To: philman_36

Davis was inaugurated provisional President of the Confederacy on February 18, 1861.


32 posted on 07/10/2012 11:35:31 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: FredZarguna

“... sucks dirty donkey d-—.”

Those sir, are fighting words, you damned Yankee.


33 posted on 07/11/2012 1:35:05 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: iowamark
Davis was inaugurated provisional President of the Confederacy on February 18, 1861.
Thank you for that tidbit.

Then with the addition of Jeff Davis inside, and if the man was informed of current events, that makes it likely that the repairman was actually sympathetic to the South.

34 posted on 07/11/2012 8:22:27 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Born to Conserve
Already been fought. The rebels lost.

Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

35 posted on 07/11/2012 9:58:42 AM PDT by FredZarguna ("Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding.")
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To: philman_36
No suppressed or repressed hostilities. Jeff Davis, Bobby Lee, and all of the other rebels who accepted commissions and swore oaths to support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America were traitors under the exact definition given in the Constitution which they betrayed and should have been hanged.

Instead, we allowed them to fight a guerrilla war in various guises and forms for nearly a hundred years following their humiliating and just defeat, even as they rewrote history to portray their despicable cause as (somehow) "noble."

All I do on FR with regards to the Civil War is try to set the record straight. As for Jeff Davis, if there's a just God, he is burning in Hell.

36 posted on 07/11/2012 10:08:22 AM PDT by FredZarguna ("Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding.")
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To: CodeToad
Even professionals can’t make a child mature.

And all of the turd polishing in the world won't put a shine on Jefferson Davis, nor transform a war waged against the United States Of America to hold millions of human beings in bondage as property into something noble and just.

37 posted on 07/11/2012 10:14:39 AM PDT by FredZarguna ("Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding.")
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To: FredZarguna

Thanks for sharing your opinion.


38 posted on 07/11/2012 10:23:02 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
makes it likely that the repairman was actually sympathetic to the South.

Yeah, that's why he calls them rebels.

Since you didn't know that Davis was already a well known traitor when Fort Sumter was fired on, calling his provisional leadership of the rebellion "a tidbit," you probably also aren't aware that in the North, "the Government" to which the watchmaker also plainly refers, was -- like "The Union" -- equivalent to "The United States of America." (Read Lincoln's Second Inaugural, or the Gettysburg Address if you want to educate yourself.)

39 posted on 07/11/2012 10:25:17 AM PDT by FredZarguna (the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it.)
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To: FredZarguna

Again, thanks for sharing your opinion.


40 posted on 07/11/2012 10:36:42 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: FredZarguna

“a war waged against the United States Of America”

Wait a minute. I thought you liberal yankees said the North invaded the South to free the slaves, but here you say the South invaded the North.

Of course, the North held onto their slavery all the while invading the South in order to free the...sla..waitaminute, you’re just too bigoted to say anything straight.

You simply don’t know history past some racist views taught to you by the public school system that the South were all slave owners and the North was pure as the wind driven snow and that the North invaded the south to free the slaves...and it is all the white man’s fault.


41 posted on 07/11/2012 12:01:58 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: FredZarguna

“All I do on FR with regards to the Civil War is try to set the record straight.”

About as much as Obama and his Minister’s claims about America. Typical liberal. Arrogant nough to believe their racist anti-white anti-Southern views are somehow the straight record.


42 posted on 07/11/2012 12:04:07 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: CodeToad

Hiya ‘toad - good to “see” you again!

Nice job on the “you liberal yankees” ad hom....nice touch. As a launchpad for misinformation I suppose it’s appropriate, however inappropriate.

I don’t know of anyone except southron partisans who ever claim “the North invaded the South to free the slaves” and I’ve certainly not seen it on this thread.

And you’ve been schooled on the fallacy that “the North held onto their slavery all the while invading the South” so I do wonder why you persist. Oh, and nowhere have I seen anyone other than Lost Causers suggest “the South were all slave owners and the North was pure as the wind driven snow and that the North invaded the south to free the slaves...and it is all the white man’s fault.”

We all know that this is silly strawman stuff that is untrue and unworthy of you.


43 posted on 07/11/2012 12:16:56 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: CodeToad
Talk about knowing no history.

The North -- aka the United States of America -- didn't "invade" the South. Rebels in a Southern State fired on and then seized the property of the United States of America, which started a war. This after stealing from the Federal treasury and wringing one concession after another in bad faith negotiations for eight decades.

The United States of America didn't "hold on" to any slaves. Contrary to the idiotic statement in your post, Lincoln was a Constitutionalist, who did not believe either he, or Congress, had the authority to free slaves. You will note if you ever bestir yourself to read some history beyond the lame nonsense written by Southern (Gone With the Wind, Birth of a Nation) "historians," that the Emancipation Proclamation only freed those slaves in territories which had declared themselves outside of the Constitution. Emancipation was not necessary in most of the Northern US, but because the Constitution remained, so did slavery in the border States. North of the MD line, Americans did not own slaves.

Nobody claimed the Americans were "pure as the wind-driven snow." But what history shows was that 1) The Republican Party was founded to abolish slavery 2) When a Republican President was elected, the slave States decided to secede 3) When the Civil War ended, the Constitution was amended freeing 1/8 of the US population from Slavery 4) That Constitution was amended by, and the blood was shed to do that by white, male, Americans.

You can pretend these facts don't exist. But facts are stubborn things.

Nobody seceded over the tariff, nor over any "States Rights" issue. The claim of "States Rights" is easily enough silenced by a simple question: over what "right" did the slave States secede? [Hint: What Ayn Rand correctly described as a "right" that no state possesses: the right to buy, sell, and own other human beings.]

There's no more "racism" in these facts than the legitimate criticism of 0bama. But I'm not surprised to find you in bed with the Commies in that regard. Politics makes for strange bedfellows, and the multi-culties have always been in bed with the slave-masters in maintaining the preposterous fantasy that AmeriKKKa is far too racist to ever have abolished black slavery. The truth is that, as Thomas Sowell pointed out at some length in Race And Culture, [Paraphrasing] "The fact that Americans owned slaves is not remarkable. Slavery has existed (and continues to exist) throughout human history. What is remarkable about the Anglo-American civilization is that it abolished slavery."

Go and actually read the contemporary news editorials written in Southern papers during the Antebellum and Civil War. If you're honest with yourself, you'll very quickly disabuse your mind of the lie that the Civil War was fought over anything but slavery.

44 posted on 07/11/2012 4:50:37 PM PDT by FredZarguna (the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it.)
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To: FredZarguna

YOU said the North fought the war to free the slaves, so by inference you are claiming the North invaded the South. I know that’s not right, but if you’re going to keep repeating the lie then you have to also accept the inferences that you are making.


45 posted on 07/11/2012 7:07:27 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: DogByte6RER

What a thrill it must have been for this man to know that Lincoln was walking around using that watch with his writing in it. A talisman.

I wonder if Lincoln had it with him that night at Ford Theater.


46 posted on 07/12/2012 9:40:40 PM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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To: dfwgator

Bwawawawa...especially at Christmas time!


47 posted on 08/28/2012 9:41:21 AM PDT by hummingbird (Breitbart and Spartacus.)
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To: Meet the New Boss
""Jeff Davis" is in a different handwriting than "Jonathan Dillon." Compare the "J" in Jeff and Jonathan and the "D" in Davis and Dillon."

Two J. D.'s......

48 posted on 08/28/2012 9:44:39 AM PDT by hummingbird (Breitbart and Spartacus.)
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