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What I learned today about SNCF and California HSR (pols prevented I-5 alignment, etc.)
Market Urbanism ^ | July 10th, 2012 | Stephen Smith

Posted on 07/11/2012 4:34:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai

If you’ve been following me on Twitter, you’ll know that I spent this afternoon on the phone with folks in California, looking into the recent SNCF-CHSRA bombshell. To summarize: SNCF, the highly experienced French national high-speed rail operator, apparently had a plan for California’s HSR network, but was turned off by the highly-politicized routing. Namely, they wanted to make a straight shot from LA to San Francisco by running along the flat, government-owned I-5 corridor with spurs out to the eastern Central Valley, whereas the California High Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA) and state politicians wanted the main line to go through every little town in the Central Valley, directly. …

That’s what the LA Times reported, but David Schonbrunn, a pro-HSR, anti-CHSRA activist, says there’s more to the story—SNCF not only advocated I-5, but they actually had private investors lined up! …

I talked to David on the phone. He stuck by the story and said there was indeed a “secret meeting” between SNCF and CHSRA where such issues were discussed, and then I spoke to someone else—someone intimately knowledgeable about the SNCF side of things, who’s been quoted in the media before, but who requested anonymity—who confirmed David’s version of events. However, he said that CHSRA was so dismissive of SNCF’s plan that no formal proposal was ever requested or made, which tells me that there unfortunately may not be any written documents to request/FOIA from the CHSRA. …

So, what does all this mean? It means that the CHSRA very well might have been offered private funding for the plan, but turned it down because it didn’t fulfill desired political objectives of going through towns in the Central Valley onto the main trunk line …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Travel
KEYWORDS: california; chsra; hsr; sncf

1 posted on 07/11/2012 4:35:03 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

What’s the point of the high speed rail if it goes through all the small towns. Wasn’t it supposed to replace air travel so the lefty’s would feel better about CO2.


2 posted on 07/11/2012 4:54:21 PM PDT by spawn44 (moo)
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To: spawn44

It is nothing more than an idol for Gaia worship. Nobody will ride it and it will lose Billions since you can fly from SF to LA in 1/5 the time.

Pray for America


3 posted on 07/11/2012 4:59:26 PM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: Olog-hai

“...desired political objectives....”

Did you think the train was for hauling people around?


4 posted on 07/11/2012 5:03:15 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Did you think the train was for hauling people around?

How else do you get a large number of people to the gulag?

5 posted on 07/11/2012 5:19:47 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: Olog-hai

About a year ago I read somewhere that the Corporations control by Sen Diane Fineswine’s husband are buying up land that “the train to nowhere”’s right of way will cross. The idea being to sell the land at a high price to the train’s operators or whatever. This has been done before by them for solar energy sites, etc.


6 posted on 07/11/2012 5:44:19 PM PDT by TaMoDee ( Lassez les bons temps rouler dans les 2012! Allez Pack!)
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To: TaMoDee; NormsRevenge; SierraWasp; Grampa Dave; tubebender; Carry_Okie; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; ...

Now that makes sense.


7 posted on 07/11/2012 9:08:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Your GD state is going bankrupt and these idiots are farting around with making things in the end result. Worse. It's all BS as far as I can see. The only ones sure of greasing their pockets will be the politicians. The good people of CA most probably will loose.
Think blazing saddles. Think "Sen Diane Fineswine’s husband".
Enough said on the matter.
8 posted on 07/11/2012 9:23:20 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Now that makes sense.

I'm feeling a little Blum about the whole thing.

9 posted on 07/11/2012 9:53:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Olog-hai

Several years ago I took my grandson to California for vacation and decided to take the train from San Diego to Los Angeles very early on a Monday morning. We always flew everywhere we went and he had never ridden a train before. We thoroughly enjoyed the slow, scenic early morning ride. There was only one other passenger riding in the entire business section. Seemed like such a waste of resources.


10 posted on 07/11/2012 10:01:24 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Grams A
I don’t understand why those Pacific Surfliners make so many stops; there are seven intermediate stops between LA and SD (scheduled average speed of 45 mph), and there is only one “express” train in the direction of LA (leaves SD at 7:07 AM and runs Monday-Friday only, with four intermediate stops) that raises the average speed to almost 52 mph. On top of that, I don’t see why they have a business section on a train whose major operating segment (LA to SD) is only 128 miles long; coming from San Luis Obispo, I couldn’t tell you if the business class fills up, but it does sound wasteful. (The SLO segment is 222 miles long and has 17 intermediate stops, although not all trains stop at every station with some skip-stop service; the average speed is worse on that segment, at 34½ miles per hour and about 15 intermediate stops on most trains. There is a layover period in Santa Barbara; while most of the layovers are scheduled for 2-3 minutes, some are scheduled to last as long as 18 minutes.)

Also, these trains have cars that are supposed to be able to run at 100-125 mph and locomotives with a FRA-certified top speed of 110 mph, but FRA regulations on top of that, related to imposing speed limits based on “track classes” and signaling, force the top speed down to 79 mph or slower. The USA just regulates everything viable out of existence . . .
11 posted on 07/12/2012 2:04:11 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Ernest.
To summarize: SNCF, the highly experienced French national high-speed rail operator, apparently had a plan for California's HSR network... they wanted to make a straight shot from LA to San Francisco by running along the flat, government-owned I-5 corridor with spurs out to the eastern Central Valley, whereas the California High Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA) and state politicians wanted the main line to go through every little town in the Central Valley... David Schonbrunn, a pro-HSR, anti-CHSRA activist, says... SNCF not only advocated I-5, but they actually had private investors lined up... a "secret meeting" between SNCF and CHSRA where such issues were discussed... someone else... said that CHSRA was so dismissive of SNCF's plan that no formal proposal was ever requested or made... the CHSRA very well might have been offered private funding for the plan, but turned it down because it didn't fulfill desired political objectives of going through towns in the Central Valley onto the main trunk line...

12 posted on 07/12/2012 3:21:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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