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If Obama wins: Will Texas secede from the union?
BizPac Review ^ | Michael Dorstewitz

Posted on 07/15/2012 3:46:27 PM PDT by cap10mike

Could Texas once again become the Republic of Texas?

Without question, the Nov. 6 election will be a do-or-die, make-or-break, Rubicon-crossing event. If the presidential election goes one way, we get a “do-over.” We’ll be given the opportunity to take the first step on a long, arduous journey back to our political and economic roots. If it goes the other way, federalism and balance of power will continue to be edged out by an overreaching federal government and an imperial presidency. Socialism will have an unbreakable hold on the economy, and a centralized government, rather than a free market, will determine business’ winners and losers.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: bho2012; election; obama; secession; texas; tx2012
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1 posted on 07/15/2012 3:46:34 PM PDT by cap10mike
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To: cap10mike

If that happens I hope we do to. If not I may move to Texas. I may live like a $hit dog but it would be worth it.


2 posted on 07/15/2012 3:48:33 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: cap10mike

I don’t think we get a do over with Romney, merely a reprieve.


3 posted on 07/15/2012 3:48:38 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: cap10mike

No.


4 posted on 07/15/2012 3:49:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cap10mike

I thought the Civil War effectively ended the right of states to secede.


5 posted on 07/15/2012 3:52:14 PM PDT by Random_User_250
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To: cap10mike

If the Kenyan does win and Texas does secede, you can call me “Gone to Texas”.


6 posted on 07/15/2012 3:52:28 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Who is Barack Hussein Obama?)
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To: cap10mike

Texas will never secede again, the economy is too dependent on the rest of the nation to do so. It’s the same reason China would never attack America. But, who are we kidding anyways? Romney will be another G.W. Bush and we’ll be explaining away his decisions for a long time to come.


7 posted on 07/15/2012 3:55:30 PM PDT by Engineer_Soldier ("Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: cap10mike
It was illegal for Texas to secede the first time and it is still illegal now.

Texas v. White (1869)

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

8 posted on 07/15/2012 3:56:01 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: cap10mike

If O made the USA the Obamanation, with more unconstitutional power grabs, as a Texan, I would support secession. The constitution does not prohibit secession, and the Civil War didnt settle the question for all time


9 posted on 07/15/2012 3:56:20 PM PDT by fahraint (git theah fuhstest with the mostest)
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To: cap10mike

Secession at pleasure is not constitutional. I would recommend against starting a war with a nuclear power. To get a constitutional secession you need 3/4s of the states for a constitutional amendment, or perhaps 2/3rds of the Senate and the President to sign via a treaty. If you can muster those kinds of electoral support why can’t you get the other legislation you want?


10 posted on 07/15/2012 3:58:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: cap10mike
If Obama wins, it's too late for secession.

Obama will instantly declare “Administrative Amnesty” for illegal immigrants.

And Texas will instantly become a “Blue State.”

11 posted on 07/15/2012 3:58:50 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Random_User_250
I thought the Civil War effectively ended the right of states to secede

You are correct.

The south never had the legal right to secede in the first place but Texas v. White (1869) confirmed that succession was illegal.

12 posted on 07/15/2012 3:59:40 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: fahraint

I refer you to Texas v. White which ruled that secession as pretended by the various state legislatures in 1860-1865 was a legal nullity.


13 posted on 07/15/2012 4:00:45 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

Trade adjustments occur all of the time, but if Texas left others would probably join or would trade with Texas no matter what the feds say. The entire situation would be uncharted territory.

It is very unlikely that Texas would try to secede. Still, I would support it. We don’t need to be yoked with the culturally and economically rotten NE, West Coast, and parts of the upper midwest.


14 posted on 07/15/2012 4:00:51 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: cap10mike

The Federal government will NBC any state before it would
relinquish control. To much wealth and tax base, the banks
would never allow it. It would totally destroy the faith
and credit of the U.S. Once a state tries to secede, It
would become the countries #1 worst enemy. And
Geneva convention rules do not apply.


15 posted on 07/15/2012 4:02:20 PM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Random_User_250

There is no right one way or the other, Only whether one is willing to force the other. I live in Texas, and, frankly, if Zero wins re-election I will support secession. Texas is in the unique position to do so, we have agriculture, oil, seaports. No one will attack us over it, so why not? It won’t necessarily cause civil war, could actually prevent one.


16 posted on 07/15/2012 4:02:43 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: cap10mike

Not if he picks his buddy Rick Perry as his VP/Running mate.


17 posted on 07/15/2012 4:03:32 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (No more RINOS!)
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To: donmeaker

Texas vs White was after 1861-1865.....the winner declared right through might. I dont consider the question settled for all time. The Constitution itself does not prohibit secession, only the interpretations of the victors prohibits secession.


18 posted on 07/15/2012 4:03:32 PM PDT by fahraint (git theah fuhstest with the mostest)
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To: moonshot925

It wasn’t illegal. The 1869 SCOTUS could hardly be deemed honest precedent on the matter. In 1789 not one state thought it was entering a “roach motel”. The “Perpetual Union” language was in the Articles of Confederation and it was not included in the Constitution.


19 posted on 07/15/2012 4:04:01 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Ditto. There’ll be nothing left to lose at that point.


20 posted on 07/15/2012 4:04:58 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: moonshot925

That is not correct. That is one side of it. You didn’t hear the Texas side of things.
If the Constitution meant for States to be in the Union forever, it would have said so. It didn’t.
What the Court ruled is in affect changing a contract. A contract cannot be changed without BOTH parties agreeing to it. That never happened.
Texas, and ever other state, can leave if it’s citizens decide to do so, period.


21 posted on 07/15/2012 4:05:30 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

If we get the House and Senate and send a repeal bill to Romney, he’ll sign it whether he wants to or not. He wants to be President too bad to throw away the only reason he’s there. With Obama, it’ll go into effect and never be dismantled. One play with a crap hand.


22 posted on 07/15/2012 4:05:35 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: achilles2000

I agree, as a somebody who grew up as a young boy in Aransas Pass, TX. But, as a realist, I couldn’t see it happening.


23 posted on 07/15/2012 4:06:05 PM PDT by Engineer_Soldier ("Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: cap10mike

Nobody is going to secede over a four year term. If a
president claims marshall law and decides to extend his
term then all bets are off.


24 posted on 07/15/2012 4:06:31 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: donmeaker

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


25 posted on 07/15/2012 4:06:58 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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It is absurd to say that secession is “illegal”. When you have a president who uses the Constitution for toilet paper, there is a right and duty to protect the people of one’s state from tyranny. If you want to sit back in Kalifornia or Taxachusetts and bemoan your fate all the while doing nothing, then be my guest. Texas is going to show you that Obama’s tyranny will not stand.


26 posted on 07/15/2012 4:07:06 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: cap10mike

If Obama is re-elected that will pretty much confirm America has embraced his degenerate Marxist-collectivist worldview, which will spell the country’s ignoble end. Nothing really left to save or preserve. Thus, as a longstanding Texan, I’d be more than receptive to the prospect of secession.


27 posted on 07/15/2012 4:08:31 PM PDT by greene66
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To: moonshot925

Texas didn’t give a rats ass the first time,and won’t give a rats ass this time either. The administration in Washington has violated nearly all of the Constitution, so, IMHO, that alone gives Texas or any other state that thinks it can make it on it’s own the right to leave. We don’t depend on the rest of the country to any degree that we couldn’t manage here in Texas.


28 posted on 07/15/2012 4:10:43 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: achilles2000; Sporke; Engineer_Soldier; Arkansas Toothpick
The Constitution itself does not prohibit secession, only the interpretations of the victors prohibits secession

Cheif Justice Roger Taney explained why succession is unconstitutional in a memorandum on 1 February 1861.

"The South contends that a state has a constitutional right to secede from the Union formed with her sister states. In this I submit the South errs. No power or right is constitutional but what can be exercised in a form or mode provided in the constitution for its exercise. Secession is therefore not constitutional, but revolutionary; and is only morally competent, like war, upon failure of justice."

In other words, there is no way for the concept of unilateral secession to be exercised under the US Constitution, for no mode or form of such is provided in that document

This is the Chief Justice Justice of the United States BEFORE the Civil War even started.

29 posted on 07/15/2012 4:11:19 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: fahraint

You are correct, sir.


30 posted on 07/15/2012 4:11:58 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: zeestephen

“Obama will instantly declare “Administrative Amnesty” for illegal immigrants.

And Texas will instantly become a “Blue State.”

That’s right and Roberts will pave the way. People are starting
to rethink that “Bush “Miss me yet” bumper sticker.


31 posted on 07/15/2012 4:13:57 PM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: moonshot925

That was an opinion of a man.....nearly one million died to debate it. He is not right because his side won......I repeat, there is absolutely zero in the US Constitution that prohibits secession. There wasnt in 1861, and there still isnt.


32 posted on 07/15/2012 4:14:34 PM PDT by fahraint (git theah fuhstest with the mostest)
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To: cap10mike
If Obama wins: Will Texas secede from the union?

I doubt that we would have to.

Four more years of little bammy's communism with the little nutjob flailing around issuing E.O's because he "has been mandated by the election" and half of the u.S. will simply collapse.

We here in Texas, along with a few other "producing" States will simply work amongst ourselves to carry on while the basket-case states fold up. If dee-cee attempts to "federalize" (nationalize) our and other producing states resources they probably will fail outright as whomever they send will simply surrender and request asylum in that state rather than go back to the communists.

Here is where we can quote "the smartest President in history."



It doesn’t work,” Obama said. “It’s never worked.”



How right you are, jugears.

Just not the way you want to be right.

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33 posted on 07/15/2012 4:15:15 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: donmeaker

Why does secession start a war? No one is going to nuke us.Texas would have control over the nukes that are here, anyway.


34 posted on 07/15/2012 4:15:39 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: saganite

You may be right on that one. I suppose we could all pray for a Congress of Allen Wests.


35 posted on 07/15/2012 4:16:08 PM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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To: Quickgun
Texas didn’t give a rats ass the first time,and won’t give a rats ass this time either.

Texas was crushed the first time and will be crushed again if it tries to secede from the union it voluntarily entered into.

36 posted on 07/15/2012 4:16:44 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I may move there no matter what. :)


37 posted on 07/15/2012 4:17:27 PM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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To: Random_User_250

It’s never been tested in the courts that I’ve been able to determine.


38 posted on 07/15/2012 4:19:42 PM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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To: Quickgun

Could Texas handle 30 million refugees from the other states?


39 posted on 07/15/2012 4:21:06 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Hahahahaha! I’ll be there right along with ya!


40 posted on 07/15/2012 4:21:16 PM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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To: zeestephen

And ranchers here will start buying more ammo and backhoes....


41 posted on 07/15/2012 4:21:25 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: Quickgun

“we have agriculture, oil, seaports.”

Yes, but do we have an ABM system? Do we have nukes for a
deterrent? As soon as any governor declares it the invasion
would begin. This administration would throw the whole hog
at Texas and enjoy doing it.


42 posted on 07/15/2012 4:21:43 PM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Sivad
Nobody is going to secede over a four year term.

The South Carolina hotheads did it over Lincoln's election in 1860. But few would accuse that bunch of possessing much political common sense.

43 posted on 07/15/2012 4:21:46 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: cripplecreek

“No” is such a negative word. :)


44 posted on 07/15/2012 4:22:37 PM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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To: moonshot925

“It was illegal for Texas to secede the first time and it is still illegal now.”

...and it was illegal for the United States to secede from Great Britain. Our Declaration of Independence is very clear. When government becomes tyrannical, a people not only have a God given right to cast off their oppressors, they have the responsibility to do so. No constitution or court ruling can deny a God given right.

If the federal government violates the pact between it and the states (the Constitution) by trampling the rights of the people, the the states have a responsibility to “...dissolve the political bands that have connected them...” with the federal government.


45 posted on 07/15/2012 4:22:59 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: moonshot925

Agree with everything you said, and furthermore, no one state can have more rights under the constitution than another state no matter what their state constitution says.


46 posted on 07/15/2012 4:24:08 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: fahraint
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

/johnny

47 posted on 07/15/2012 4:24:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Randy Larsen

Not if he picks his buddy Rick Perry as his VP/Running mate


What about Jan Brewer ?
she can sure wag her finger at obama
he needs more of this


48 posted on 07/15/2012 4:24:28 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yeah, we might just have to kick a few folks out that don’t belong here! And left up to our own, we can do that too.


49 posted on 07/15/2012 4:25:02 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: cap10mike
“No” is such a negative word. :)

It also happens to be a realistic word.
50 posted on 07/15/2012 4:25:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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