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Science points to God
Hutchinson News ^ | 7/12/12 | DAVE DENLINGER

Posted on 07/19/2012 5:48:29 PM PDT by kathsua

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To: MHGinTN
Thank you for your encouragements, dear MHGinTN!
51 posted on 07/22/2012 10:23:21 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TXnMA; betty boop
Thank you so very much for bringing that graphic to the discussion, dear brother in Christ, and especially for sharing your insights!

I'm thrilled you found it!

I struggle with the concept that God ever completely removed His guiding hand from His creation (put it "on autopilot", controlled only by his designed-in "laws"). But, if he, indeed, did so, it most likely was during that seventh "rest day"..

Likewise, I do not perceive the Creation being on auto-pilot since God is actively guiding and impacting our lives.

One concept I'd love to see illustrated in your graphic is that a photon sent from a star to an observer some million light years away might spend 10 million years getting there because space/time itself expands while the photon is en route.

Perhaps the bottom of the graphic showing Days 1 through 6 could be proportionally changed using Dr. Schroeder's calculations in The Age of the Universe:

Now we can go one step further. Let's look at the development of time, day-by-day, based on the expansion factor. Every time the universe doubles, the perception of time is cut in half. Now when the universe was small, it was doubling very rapidly. But as the universe gets bigger, the doubling time gets longer. This rate of expansion is quoted in "The Principles of Physical Cosmology," a textbook that is used literally around the world.

(In case you want to know, this exponential rate of expansion has a specific number averaged at 10 to the 12th power. That is in fact the temperature of quark confinement, when matter freezes out of the energy: 10.9 times 10 to the 12th power Kelvin degrees divided by (or the ratio to) the temperature of the universe today, 2.73 degrees. That's the initial ratio which changes exponentially as the universe expands.)

The calculations come out to be as follows:

• The first of the Biblical days lasted 24 hours, viewed from the "beginning of time perspective." But the duration from our perspective was 8 billion years.

• The second day, from the Bible's perspective lasted 24 hours. From our perspective it lasted half of the previous day, 4 billion years.

• The third 24 hour day also included half of the previous day, 2 billion years.

• The fourth 24 hour day ― one billion years.

• The fifth 24 hour day ― one-half billion years.

• The sixth 24 hour day ― one-quarter billion years.

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

53 posted on 07/22/2012 11:10:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

I’m into timing... God provides “gifts”..

—Bonus—
http://www.youtube.com/user/hosepipeify?feature=guide


54 posted on 07/22/2012 11:12:24 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: kathsua

bflr


55 posted on 07/22/2012 11:55:37 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Alamo-Girl
LOL!!! Thank you for your encouragement and vote of confidence!!!

You don't ask for much, do you? '-) Here I am, struggling to represent four dimensions on a flat plane -- and you request dynamic expansion, time dilation, and exponential time, as well!!

Whoeeee! Nothing like a nice challenge... ;-}

No wonder you're one of my favorite fans! :-)

~~~~~~~~

BTW, I've now found a mockup of my 3~4-D attempt, and am trying to add in representation of multiple (linear) ray/photon paths across distance|time (reaching us, at our "now"). When I get that done, I'll share it for comments before I formalize it further.

56 posted on 07/23/2012 12:24:54 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: hosepipe
Wow, talk about gifts! Thank you oh so very much for introducing me to Jackie Evancho and for this wonderful collection!
57 posted on 07/23/2012 12:03:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TXnMA
LOLOL!!!

I'm so sorry. It's just wishful thinking on my part. If you'd rather stay away from those subjects, that's fine by me.

Thank you again, oh so very much dear brother in Christ, for all of your insights and encouragements!

58 posted on 07/23/2012 12:16:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
ROFLOL!! I was just enjoying your vote of confidence in my graphic abilities! :-)

You suggestions are all worthy goals, and I hope to be able to work some of them in... But you can only push a graphic analogy so far... especially if you are merely trying to explain (in four dimensions) everything that is -- or ever was -- (and praising the ONE Who made and controls it all) ...on a single 17" flat screen...! LOL!!

I'll soon ship the URL for my rough-draft working model to you via FReepmail, and we can discuss modifications of the final version or -- more likely -- other, supplementary illustrations...

Believe me, just attempting something like this is a most thought-provoking and educational exercise... ;-)

But, it has also become a strikingly meaningful experience of worship and praise!

His name is "I AM", and He is beyond wondrous!!!

59 posted on 07/23/2012 4:02:49 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop

FReepMail (with goodies) for you...


60 posted on 07/23/2012 8:42:22 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA
But, it has also become a strikingly meaningful experience of worship and praise!

His name is "I AM", and He is beyond wondrous!!!

Amen. Praise God!!!

I'm so very glad you have taken this project up again, dear brother in Christ, and I'm particularly glad that it is already a wonderful experience of worship and praise!

Now to check that Freepmail...

61 posted on 07/23/2012 9:45:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
A-G, In your #53, you wrote:

"Perhaps the bottom of the graphic showing Days 1 through 6 could be proportionally changed using Dr. Schroeder's calculations in The Age of the Universe:"

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Ah! Schroeder's The Age of the Universe! I have just read (yet again) nearly all of my copy of Schroeder's Genesis and the Big Bang -- and was unable to locate those calculations. No wonder! :-}

Unfortunately, neither I nor our local library has The Age of the Universe. Thanks for providing a link to the "Age..." passage in your comment!

I set up a quick little spreadsheet to do the same calculations, and Schroeder's sequence, 8, 4, 2, 1, .5, .25, .125 does, indeed, match a universe with an age of 15.75 billion years.

BUT... the currently published age ofthe universe is 13.75 +/- .11 billion years (based on the CMB data from WMAP).

Running Schroeder's calculations for the currently published age of 13.75 +/- .11 billion years, gives the "lengths of the days of creation" series as

Day 1 = 6.98 billion years
Day 2 = 3.49 billion years
Day 3 = 1.75 billion years
Day 4 = 0.87 billion years
Day 5 = 0.44 billion years
Day 6 = 0.22 billion years
Day 7 = 0.11 billion years

(...with the 7th day (in both instances) calculated "for grins" to see how it might "fit in".) Curiously, the calculated 7th day duration equates to the absolute value of today's current uncertainty/tolerance on the total age... Hmmmmm... '-)

Per your suggestion, the newly-calculated "day/'yom'" durations are already "plotted in"...

Thank you, dear Sister in Christ, for the great suggestion and assistance!

~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I AM" created all, formed ("made") all, and knows/sees/sustains all!! To HIM be the glory!

62 posted on 07/27/2012 11:23:43 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; kathsua
A-G, In your #53, you wrote:

"Perhaps the bottom of the graphic showing Days 1 through 6 could be proportionally changed using Dr. Schroeder's calculations in The Age of the Universe:"

~~~~~

Ah! Schroeder's The Age of the Universe! I have just read (yet again) nearly all of my copy of Schroeder's Genesis and the Big Bang -- and was unable to locate those calculations. No wonder! :-}

Unfortunately, neither I nor our local library has The Age of the Universe. Thanks for providing a link to the "Age..." passage in your comment!

I set up a quick little spreadsheet to do the same calculations, and Schroeder's sequence, 8, 4, 2, 1, .5, .25, .125 does, indeed, match a universe with an age of 15.75 billion years.

BUT... the currently published age ofthe universe is 13.75 +/- .11 billion years (based on the CMB data from WMAP).

Running Schroeder's calculations for the currently published age of 13.75 +/- .11 billion years, gives the "lengths of the days of creation" series as

Day 1 = 6.98 billion years
Day 2 = 3.49 billion years
Day 3 = 1.75 billion years
Day 4 = 0.87 billion years
Day 5 = 0.44 billion years
Day 6 = 0.22 billion years
Day 7 = 0.11 billion years

(...with the 7th day (in both instances) calculated "for grins" to see how it might "fit in".) Curiously, the calculated 7th day duration equates to the absolute value of today's current uncertainty/tolerance on the total age... Hmmmmm... '-)

Per your suggestion, the newly-calculated "day/'yom'" durations are already "plotted in"...

Thank you, dear Sister in Christ, for your great suggestion and assistance!

~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I AM" created ("ex nihilo") all, designed and formed ("made") all, and knows/sees/sustains all!! To HIM be the glory!

63 posted on 07/27/2012 11:51:09 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA
Thank you oh so very much for making those important corrections, dear brother in Christ!

Curiously, the calculated 7th day duration equates to the absolute value of today's current uncertainty/tolerance on the total age... Hmmmmm... '-)

Outstanding!!!

As Einstein said "Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous."

"I AM" created ("ex nihilo") all, designed and formed ("made") all, and knows/sees/sustains all!! To HIM be the glory!

Praise God!!!


64 posted on 07/27/2012 8:40:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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