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(Vanity) Yet another "which firearm?" thread
Self | 7/20/12 | Thunder Sleeps

Posted on 07/20/2012 9:24:49 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps

Sorry for yet another which firearm thread. Been putting in some OT the last several months, banked up a few extra $$$. Going to celebrate my right as guaranteed by 2nd Amendment. (note, not granted, the government doesn't give me this inalienable right)

So, I am literally set to "pull the trigger" on the purchase of a handgun tomorrow. I have narrowed it down to either a Beretta PX4 Storm (Compact, 9mm) or a Glock 19. This will be a concealed carry weapon.

I don't want to go any larger (full size) as I'm only an average sized guy with slightly smaller than average sized hands. (plenty of hand/arm strength from weight training) I don't want to go any smaller because I don't like the way the grips of the sub-compact weapons don't fill out even my hands.

I was leaning towards the 40S&W round but like the wider availability of 9mm, plus I can share ammo with my wife.

I was originally thinking Glock, almost went for it. Then a guy at a firearms store almost talked me into the Beretta. Now I'm leaning back towards the Glock. Lots of factors at play here, trying to sort them all out.

The Glock is simple, dirt simple to operate. The Beretta has more controls on it.

I like the looks of the Beretta slightly more.

I like the triple-dot sights of the Beretta slightly more.

Several informal polls of fellow firearms enthusiasts say the Glock may have a slight edge in reliability and accuracy. Not sure I'm a good enough shot though to make a difference.

Beretta claims their barrel line is lower, closer to your hand thus reducing felt recoil. Don't know, I've fired a S&W 9mm compact and the recoil is very manageable. (I can be fairly quick, fairly accurate)

Things that aren't factors: magazine capacity (same), accessory rail (both have one, though I don't plan on putting anything on it).


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So last chance fellow Freepers. Any words of wisdom to sway me one way or the other?

Both are in stock, the Glock comes in $20 less than the Beretta.

1 posted on 07/20/2012 9:25:02 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps
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To: ThunderSleeps

Glock, based on personal preference and nothing more.


2 posted on 07/20/2012 9:26:15 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I’m going for the sig.


3 posted on 07/20/2012 9:26:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Buy the one with which you can most frequently reproduce accurate results.


4 posted on 07/20/2012 9:29:42 PM PDT by The_Sword_of_Groo (My world view is accurately expressed in the lyrics of " The Fightin' Side of Me")
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To: ThunderSleeps

I will opine that you should go with the Glock due to the wide availability of spare parts.


5 posted on 07/20/2012 9:30:38 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: driftdiver

I prefer the glock 26. I have a Ber FS 92. I shoot better with the Glock.


6 posted on 07/20/2012 9:30:53 PM PDT by FFforFreedom
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To: ThunderSleeps

Another vote for the Glock.


7 posted on 07/20/2012 9:35:02 PM PDT by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Read all the other posts, good info all. Just keep in mind that the only purpose of the handgun is to fight your way to your rifle.

Godspeed


8 posted on 07/20/2012 9:36:04 PM PDT by coldbluesteel (Endo)
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To: ThunderSleeps

If you go with an auto, get one with an external safety. That omits Glock.
IMO a light trigger auto with a loaded chamber and no safety is asking for an A D.
Yes, Glock has a trigger ‘safety’. Not good enough for me.
Up to you though.
I like theS&W M&P w/ thumb safety.


9 posted on 07/20/2012 9:36:04 PM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I have a Beretta, a Ruger, and a Bersa for my CCs. I love them all, but the Bersa is actually my favorite. I’ve shot Glocks and will probably buy one next.

I’d go with the Glock, just because I have had a few jamming issues with my Beretta.


10 posted on 07/20/2012 9:37:39 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Before you buy go rent both at a gun range. Make sure it feels right in your hand. Dry fire it a few times to make sure you like the weight of the trigger.

Whatever you buy be sure to PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.

If you go with a gun without any safeties on it like the Glock I recommend getting a Kydex holster to keep it in. I use my holster as a safety as I can keep it loaded without worrying about something getting in between the trigger when I throw it in a suitcase or in my glove box.


11 posted on 07/20/2012 9:37:48 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: ThunderSleeps

Can’t go wrong with a Glock IMO (lots more aftermarket parts),
but take a look at the Sig P250 subcompact, the Springfield XD subcompact and the new M&P Shield as well.

The best thing would be to go somewhere and shoot each one to see what you like best. I would avoid the Berretta.


12 posted on 07/20/2012 9:38:33 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Glock.

PX4s are too new and have yet to stand the test of time.

A good friend had to return a .40 cal PX4 because of wicked trigger snap. It was a Model C DAO with the cut down hammer. It was really a bad design.

He also had to repair a .40 cal CX 4 that came with a defective mag retention spring.

He has never had any issue with Glocks.

13 posted on 07/20/2012 9:38:38 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: ThunderSleeps

The first shot counts most.

Some still prefer a small revolver for reliability, safety and low-light, off-hand function.

Holstered in back behind one hip, you can reach it with either hand and it will function reliably.

It’s not what I routinely carry, but it is what works well for a lot of people. .38 +P gives you several concealable options.


14 posted on 07/20/2012 9:38:52 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
I was originally thinking Glock, almost went for it. Then a guy at a firearms store almost talked me into the Beretta. Now I'm leaning back towards the Glock.

Are you talking about a Beretta PX4 Storm?

I've had a PX4 Storm in 9mm as well as a Glock 19 9mm and a Glock 26 9mm.

The Beretta had nice write-ups in all of the gun mags, and was a nice-looking gun.

Mine however, was a jamming piece of crap that I sold off.

I also have had a Beretta 92FS (same as the military's M9). While fun to shoot and reliable, it was big and heavy, and I never carried it.

For your purposes, I recommend a Glock 9mm, either Model 26 or 19.

15 posted on 07/20/2012 9:39:19 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Vinnie

I’ve always liked the “no safeties” aspect of having a Glock.

I consider my holster to be my safety. If my gun is out then its ready to go. With a good holster that covers the trigger you won’t have to worry.

AD are caused by negligence. Someone wasn’t following the rules.


16 posted on 07/20/2012 9:41:14 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: ThunderSleeps
I was originally thinking Glock, almost went for it. Then a guy at a firearms store almost talked me into the Beretta. Now I'm leaning back towards the Glock. Lots of factors at play here, trying to sort them all out.

The guy in the store knows no more than you do.

Seek uninvolved professional opinion.
Check with a NRA Pistol Instructor.

Glocks works every time you pull the trigger.

For concealed carry consider a G26.


17 posted on 07/20/2012 9:41:31 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I would get the glock that fires the 7.92×24mm VBR round.


18 posted on 07/20/2012 9:42:59 PM PDT by Perdogg (Let's leave reading things in the Constitution that aren't there to liberals and Dems)
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To: ThunderSleeps

When I bought my pistol at the local firearms store, I asked the retired cop who was helping me my first time at the range what he carried — He had a Firestarter (with the goal post for lining up easier and external safety). I like it a lot and it didn’t cost a lot of money. I am interested in having a revolver, too, that won’t jam — I do get that on occasion with the semi-auto but think it is pretty much a user problem.


19 posted on 07/20/2012 9:43:15 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo; ThunderSleeps

Groo has it - go with the one you, personally, can reproduce the best results with. For some, that’s a Glock. For me, it’s snubnose revolvers - the heavier caliber, the better. Pump 100 rounds through each at a shooting range that carries each or a similar model. You’ll pay a little now, but save time, hassle, and possibly a life in the long run.


20 posted on 07/20/2012 9:43:15 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Vinnie; ThunderSleeps

Thanks

TS, if you had to ask, you should listen to Vinnie


21 posted on 07/20/2012 9:48:56 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: ThunderSleeps
I don't want to go any larger (full size) as I'm only an average sized guy with slightly smaller than average sized hands. (plenty of hand/arm strength from weight training) I don't want to go any smaller because I don't like the way the grips of the sub-compact weapons don't fill out even my hands.



Can't someone with bigger hands hold it for you?

Oh, I'm just kidding! :)
22 posted on 07/20/2012 9:49:40 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: ThunderSleeps
Also, IMHO, lack of a manual safety device does not make a gun less safe in the hands of a trained individual.

In addition, there is a school of thought that says a manual safety can get you killed in the heat of the moment. I think that is why many Police prefer no manual safety device. Most cops I know carry Glock or a Sig.

23 posted on 07/20/2012 9:53:44 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: Ainast

Good post!


24 posted on 07/20/2012 9:55:11 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: ThunderSleeps

Glock or an XD; G21 SF owner here but if I could go back I’d go with the XD just for the grip safety.

I miss my 1911.


25 posted on 07/20/2012 9:55:41 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot (My carry permit was issued in 1791.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
If you don't currently carry a gun that size, I would recommend a smaller Glock.

Concealed carry is only helpful when it is small enough to carry all the time. When I was a civilian CCW I started with a mid-sized Springfield and almost immediately moved down to a Glock 27. It was just a lot easier to carry than the Springfield.

I now work for a small federal agency that carries HKs and the sub compact makes me miss my 27, especially after traveling all day on a plane.

26 posted on 07/20/2012 9:57:30 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ThunderSleeps

NO gun should be purchased based off of what someone said. Period. You should take all of the information you can (specs, personal opinions you get elsewhere, etc), and narrow down your list. THEN, you should borrow/rent/do whatever to get the different finalists into your hands at a range and squeeze off some rounds. THEN you should make your decision.

I did all of the research in the world possible for my wife’s Christmas present. Listened to opinions, looked at wound ballistics, etc. Narrowed my field down to an M & P or a Glock. Rented both, found out that my wife, although an incredibly awesome shot, couldn’t get a good grip with her tiny fingers and limp wristed them both terribly. Had I gone off of opinion and bought either, she would have a really expensive bludgeoning weapon. Now she rocks a little .357 revolver that doesn’t have that problem.

Moral of the story: you need to actually put some time in at the range. Hold all of the guns you are thinking of buying. Does your hand fit? Can you reach the mag release? Do you like the safety location? Do you like the weight? Do you like the sights? There’s only one way to find these things out: hold the gun and pull the trigger with live ammo in it.

Trust me on this one like you life depends on it. Because it very well could.


27 posted on 07/20/2012 10:01:45 PM PDT by The Black Knight (What would John Rambo do?)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Sounds like you haven’t shot either of them. Go rent them at a range before making the purchase.


28 posted on 07/20/2012 10:02:14 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Ainast

Note, the Glock haters haven’t shown up yet.

They will recommend against a Glock because it has no external safety but will recommend a revolver because it has no external safety.

Makes one kinda wonder.


29 posted on 07/20/2012 10:02:17 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: ThunderSleeps

Glock! Dale Fricke’s AIWB Archangel holster. A couple G18 33 round magazines for backups


30 posted on 07/20/2012 10:05:04 PM PDT by stickandrudder (Another Bitter-Clinger! God-Family-Tribe)
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To: ThunderSleeps
i'd go with the Storm cause if you have a failure to fire you can simply re-cock the hammer and try again before having to cycle the slide, but that's just me...
31 posted on 07/20/2012 10:08:00 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: smokingfrog

Why would you want to shoot a perfectly good gun? They don’t work with bullet holes in them.

(lol. I’m pulling yer leg)

=)


32 posted on 07/20/2012 10:09:28 PM PDT by Redcitizen (bumper sticker- 4 out of 3 people can't do math.)
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To: Eaker

They should always respect their gun and what it can do regardless of whether it has a safety or not. A gun is never safe.

If someone fears a gun then they really shouldn’t be carrying. It means they haven’t practiced enough.


33 posted on 07/20/2012 10:13:10 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: Chode

Why not just rack the slide? Maybe the bullets defective. That solves both problems.


34 posted on 07/20/2012 10:15:09 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: Chode

Agree on this. That’s one of the great features of the PX4. If you have children in the house, I’d recommend the PX4, otherwise the glock is a good gun. Another point, what clothes will you be wearing when carrying your gun? My business casual, in the Summer, makes it hard to conceal a PX4 style of gun. A pocket carry .380 may be a good alternative for the Summer to use to get you to a larger gun, if ever needed. Just another perspective. :)


35 posted on 07/20/2012 10:16:29 PM PDT by I_Publius
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To: ThunderSleeps
I am an old wheel gun type, so I doubt if I would buy either. That said, my son in law has a Glock in .45acp that I have shot. It is the most intuitive shooting auto I have ever shot. Ugly as a mud fence and seems to be as reliable. The polymer frame soaks up the recoil like you would not believe. My guess is, same gun in .40 cal would be even better. Lots of knock down power and a little less recoil. Hell, most cops like the .40. that says something.
Beretta is a lot prettier though,
36 posted on 07/20/2012 10:17:11 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: driftdiver

sig 228


37 posted on 07/20/2012 10:18:24 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Tupelo

I hate to burst your bubble but 40 has more power than 45


38 posted on 07/20/2012 10:29:14 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Ainast
actually i misspoke, simply pull the trigger again since it is truly double action... then rack the slide if you have to

that and i just do not like having to hand cycle the slide if i don't have to in a high stress situation

39 posted on 07/20/2012 10:29:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Love the Beretta....Glocks seem a little cheap. Plus the trigger safety would take a little getting used to.


40 posted on 07/20/2012 10:32:00 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Glock 19. Buy a quality holster.


41 posted on 07/20/2012 10:33:11 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: ThunderSleeps

Why did you narrow it down to two? Give us the rationale? Cuz I think you don’t know why you did that. There is XD, 1911, CZ, and others. I think you need to open up your search.


42 posted on 07/20/2012 10:33:48 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Sioux-san
i have two Firestars, a 9mm and a .40S&W i carry the .40
43 posted on 07/20/2012 10:36:37 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Glock .40 model 27 9+1 in the chamber

it’s just a hair over 4” X 6” and it will fit in the same holster as my Wives .380


44 posted on 07/20/2012 10:46:08 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Get ‘em both: they’re both good pistolas. And you can never have too many guns...


45 posted on 07/20/2012 10:52:02 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Go in your local gun shop and look at a Taurus 740 slim .40S&W fits just right in the back pocket of a pair of jeans and retails for around $340 Lifetime warranty. Also includes an extra magazine in the box. I have owned nine or ten Taurus pistols over the years and have gotten great service out of all of them. I also own Glocks, Sigs, a couple of Kimbers, S&W’s and many others for the price size and quality the 740 is hard to beat.


46 posted on 07/20/2012 10:59:48 PM PDT by cquiggy
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To: ThunderSleeps

FWIW, between those two options, I’d definitely go Glock, but Beretta isn’t a bad option, so buy what suits you best. I’ve got three 9mm—Glock 19, Ruger SR-9, and a Kel-Tec PF9. The KT is for concealed carry and I shoot it often enough to be competent with it, but when I just want to shoot, I go with the other two (or another caliber). After thousands of rounds each, I’ve never had a single malfunction in either the Glock or the Ruger, so I trust them equally. I shoot with slightly more accuracy with the Ruger, but that’s probably because the Ruger perfectly fits my hand.

Don’t forget to take the cost of extra magazines into account. Going to the range with only one or two magazines will get old fast, and paying $40/each for extras will get old even faster, regardless of how much money you have. Going to the range with 5-10-15 pre-loaded hi-cap magazines is a lot more fun than watching other guys shoot while you are constantly loading magazines. And if there is ever an all-out SHTF emergency, you will be thankful you have plenty of magazines.

I would also consider the holsters that are available for both guns. It’s frustrating to buy a new gun and then find out there aren’t many holster options.


47 posted on 07/20/2012 11:05:12 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: ThunderSleeps

Definitely go with the Glock.

Ultra reliable, and more after-market options than any other handgun except the 1911.

Also, those options are dirt cheap, and usually user installable.


48 posted on 07/20/2012 11:13:22 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: The Black Knight
Didn't make myself clear in first post. This isn't the initial stages of looking at a purchase, this is the end game. I have fired several revolvers (parents), a G26 (borrowed), S&W MP compact (wife's), a Colt semi-auto, the big Beretta (M9), a small German .32 (can't remember the make)...

Yes, I've narrowed the field down to a pistol over a revolver. (personal preference) Yes I've narrowed it down to a mid-sized frame based on preference when firing. I can't see carrying a full-size and I hate the way the subcompacts feel in my hand - all of them. Sure they may be easier to carry, but if they are miserable to fire at the range, that takes a lot of the fun out of the sport as well as means I'll probably practice less, which isn't a good thing. I'd rather carry and rely on a weapon I'm comfortable with, even if it means adapting to a little more bulk.

Besides real range time/firing I've held and dry fired just about every semi-auto in three different local shops. I narrowed it down to the two I mentioned based on feel in my hand, reputation of the manufacturer, combination of features. What I was looking for here was (were?) the anecdotes, the personal experiences (first or second hand) such as the jams, trigger issues, magazine problems, ammo sensitivity, nooks and crannies that are hard to clean, etc.

You see, my theory is, if you go on the net and look around at reviews what you're going to see are both ends of the bell curve. Those people that care enough to post a review are going to either be fanboys that think manufacturer X can do no wrong. Or people that had a bad experience and hate Y with a passion. In general, these kinds of reviews are biased and not that useful. They're only useful if they occur a lot - indicating a real problem or a really good product that a lot of people fall in love with. Every product is going to have it's irrational fanboys and detractors. Those kinds of reviews are only useful in a statistical sense. What I'm more interested in are the experiences in the middle of the bell curve - what are they like to live with day by day.

49 posted on 07/20/2012 11:23:27 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

The Glock 19 is an excellent firearm and you cant go wrong with it. Accurate. Reliable. Indestructible. Hard to beat as a concealed carry weapon. I have the Gen 4 Glock 19, and I really like it.


50 posted on 07/20/2012 11:25:13 PM PDT by Astronaut
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