Skip to comments.(Vanity) Yet another "which firearm?" thread
Posted on 07/20/2012 9:24:49 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps
Sorry for yet another which firearm thread. Been putting in some OT the last several months, banked up a few extra $$$. Going to celebrate my right as guaranteed by 2nd Amendment. (note, not granted, the government doesn't give me this inalienable right)
So, I am literally set to "pull the trigger" on the purchase of a handgun tomorrow. I have narrowed it down to either a Beretta PX4 Storm (Compact, 9mm) or a Glock 19. This will be a concealed carry weapon.
I don't want to go any larger (full size) as I'm only an average sized guy with slightly smaller than average sized hands. (plenty of hand/arm strength from weight training) I don't want to go any smaller because I don't like the way the grips of the sub-compact weapons don't fill out even my hands.
I was leaning towards the 40S&W round but like the wider availability of 9mm, plus I can share ammo with my wife.
I was originally thinking Glock, almost went for it. Then a guy at a firearms store almost talked me into the Beretta. Now I'm leaning back towards the Glock. Lots of factors at play here, trying to sort them all out.
The Glock is simple, dirt simple to operate. The Beretta has more controls on it.
I like the looks of the Beretta slightly more.
I like the triple-dot sights of the Beretta slightly more.
Several informal polls of fellow firearms enthusiasts say the Glock may have a slight edge in reliability and accuracy. Not sure I'm a good enough shot though to make a difference.
Beretta claims their barrel line is lower, closer to your hand thus reducing felt recoil. Don't know, I've fired a S&W 9mm compact and the recoil is very manageable. (I can be fairly quick, fairly accurate)
Things that aren't factors: magazine capacity (same), accessory rail (both have one, though I don't plan on putting anything on it).
Both are in stock, the Glock comes in $20 less than the Beretta.
Glock, based on personal preference and nothing more.
I’m going for the sig.
Buy the one with which you can most frequently reproduce accurate results.
I will opine that you should go with the Glock due to the wide availability of spare parts.
I prefer the glock 26. I have a Ber FS 92. I shoot better with the Glock.
Another vote for the Glock.
Read all the other posts, good info all. Just keep in mind that the only purpose of the handgun is to fight your way to your rifle.
If you go with an auto, get one with an external safety. That omits Glock.
IMO a light trigger auto with a loaded chamber and no safety is asking for an A D.
Yes, Glock has a trigger ‘safety’. Not good enough for me.
Up to you though.
I like theS&W M&P w/ thumb safety.
I have a Beretta, a Ruger, and a Bersa for my CCs. I love them all, but the Bersa is actually my favorite. I’ve shot Glocks and will probably buy one next.
I’d go with the Glock, just because I have had a few jamming issues with my Beretta.
Before you buy go rent both at a gun range. Make sure it feels right in your hand. Dry fire it a few times to make sure you like the weight of the trigger.
Whatever you buy be sure to PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.
If you go with a gun without any safeties on it like the Glock I recommend getting a Kydex holster to keep it in. I use my holster as a safety as I can keep it loaded without worrying about something getting in between the trigger when I throw it in a suitcase or in my glove box.
Can’t go wrong with a Glock IMO (lots more aftermarket parts),
but take a look at the Sig P250 subcompact, the Springfield XD subcompact and the new M&P Shield as well.
The best thing would be to go somewhere and shoot each one to see what you like best. I would avoid the Berretta.
PX4s are too new and have yet to stand the test of time.
A good friend had to return a .40 cal PX4 because of wicked trigger snap. It was a Model C DAO with the cut down hammer. It was really a bad design.
He also had to repair a .40 cal CX 4 that came with a defective mag retention spring.
He has never had any issue with Glocks.
The first shot counts most.
Some still prefer a small revolver for reliability, safety and low-light, off-hand function.
Holstered in back behind one hip, you can reach it with either hand and it will function reliably.
It’s not what I routinely carry, but it is what works well for a lot of people. .38 +P gives you several concealable options.
Are you talking about a Beretta PX4 Storm?
I've had a PX4 Storm in 9mm as well as a Glock 19 9mm and a Glock 26 9mm.
The Beretta had nice write-ups in all of the gun mags, and was a nice-looking gun.
Mine however, was a jamming piece of crap that I sold off.
I also have had a Beretta 92FS (same as the military's M9). While fun to shoot and reliable, it was big and heavy, and I never carried it.
For your purposes, I recommend a Glock 9mm, either Model 26 or 19.
I’ve always liked the “no safeties” aspect of having a Glock.
I consider my holster to be my safety. If my gun is out then its ready to go. With a good holster that covers the trigger you won’t have to worry.
AD are caused by negligence. Someone wasn’t following the rules.
Seek uninvolved professional opinion. Glocks works every time you pull the trigger. For concealed carry consider a G26.
The guy in the store knows no more than you do.
Check with a NRA Pistol Instructor.
Seek uninvolved professional opinion.
Glocks works every time you pull the trigger.
For concealed carry consider a G26.
I would get the glock that fires the 7.92×24mm VBR round.
When I bought my pistol at the local firearms store, I asked the retired cop who was helping me my first time at the range what he carried — He had a Firestarter (with the goal post for lining up easier and external safety). I like it a lot and it didn’t cost a lot of money. I am interested in having a revolver, too, that won’t jam — I do get that on occasion with the semi-auto but think it is pretty much a user problem.
Groo has it - go with the one you, personally, can reproduce the best results with. For some, that’s a Glock. For me, it’s snubnose revolvers - the heavier caliber, the better. Pump 100 rounds through each at a shooting range that carries each or a similar model. You’ll pay a little now, but save time, hassle, and possibly a life in the long run.
TS, if you had to ask, you should listen to Vinnie
In addition, there is a school of thought that says a manual safety can get you killed in the heat of the moment. I think that is why many Police prefer no manual safety device. Most cops I know carry Glock or a Sig.
Glock or an XD; G21 SF owner here but if I could go back I’d go with the XD just for the grip safety.
I miss my 1911.
Concealed carry is only helpful when it is small enough to carry all the time. When I was a civilian CCW I started with a mid-sized Springfield and almost immediately moved down to a Glock 27. It was just a lot easier to carry than the Springfield.
I now work for a small federal agency that carries HKs and the sub compact makes me miss my 27, especially after traveling all day on a plane.
NO gun should be purchased based off of what someone said. Period. You should take all of the information you can (specs, personal opinions you get elsewhere, etc), and narrow down your list. THEN, you should borrow/rent/do whatever to get the different finalists into your hands at a range and squeeze off some rounds. THEN you should make your decision.
I did all of the research in the world possible for my wife’s Christmas present. Listened to opinions, looked at wound ballistics, etc. Narrowed my field down to an M & P or a Glock. Rented both, found out that my wife, although an incredibly awesome shot, couldn’t get a good grip with her tiny fingers and limp wristed them both terribly. Had I gone off of opinion and bought either, she would have a really expensive bludgeoning weapon. Now she rocks a little .357 revolver that doesn’t have that problem.
Moral of the story: you need to actually put some time in at the range. Hold all of the guns you are thinking of buying. Does your hand fit? Can you reach the mag release? Do you like the safety location? Do you like the weight? Do you like the sights? There’s only one way to find these things out: hold the gun and pull the trigger with live ammo in it.
Trust me on this one like you life depends on it. Because it very well could.
Sounds like you haven’t shot either of them. Go rent them at a range before making the purchase.
Note, the Glock haters haven’t shown up yet.
They will recommend against a Glock because it has no external safety but will recommend a revolver because it has no external safety.
Makes one kinda wonder.
Glock! Dale Fricke’s AIWB Archangel holster. A couple G18 33 round magazines for backups
Why would you want to shoot a perfectly good gun? They don’t work with bullet holes in them.
(lol. I’m pulling yer leg)
They should always respect their gun and what it can do regardless of whether it has a safety or not. A gun is never safe.
If someone fears a gun then they really shouldn’t be carrying. It means they haven’t practiced enough.
Why not just rack the slide? Maybe the bullets defective. That solves both problems.
Agree on this. That’s one of the great features of the PX4. If you have children in the house, I’d recommend the PX4, otherwise the glock is a good gun. Another point, what clothes will you be wearing when carrying your gun? My business casual, in the Summer, makes it hard to conceal a PX4 style of gun. A pocket carry .380 may be a good alternative for the Summer to use to get you to a larger gun, if ever needed. Just another perspective. :)
I hate to burst your bubble but 40 has more power than 45
that and i just do not like having to hand cycle the slide if i don't have to in a high stress situation
Love the Beretta....Glocks seem a little cheap. Plus the trigger safety would take a little getting used to.
Glock 19. Buy a quality holster.
Why did you narrow it down to two? Give us the rationale? Cuz I think you don’t know why you did that. There is XD, 1911, CZ, and others. I think you need to open up your search.
Glock .40 model 27 9+1 in the chamber
it’s just a hair over 4” X 6” and it will fit in the same holster as my Wives .380
Get ‘em both: they’re both good pistolas. And you can never have too many guns...
Go in your local gun shop and look at a Taurus 740 slim .40S&W fits just right in the back pocket of a pair of jeans and retails for around $340 Lifetime warranty. Also includes an extra magazine in the box. I have owned nine or ten Taurus pistols over the years and have gotten great service out of all of them. I also own Glocks, Sigs, a couple of Kimbers, S&W’s and many others for the price size and quality the 740 is hard to beat.
FWIW, between those two options, I’d definitely go Glock, but Beretta isn’t a bad option, so buy what suits you best. I’ve got three 9mm—Glock 19, Ruger SR-9, and a Kel-Tec PF9. The KT is for concealed carry and I shoot it often enough to be competent with it, but when I just want to shoot, I go with the other two (or another caliber). After thousands of rounds each, I’ve never had a single malfunction in either the Glock or the Ruger, so I trust them equally. I shoot with slightly more accuracy with the Ruger, but that’s probably because the Ruger perfectly fits my hand.
Don’t forget to take the cost of extra magazines into account. Going to the range with only one or two magazines will get old fast, and paying $40/each for extras will get old even faster, regardless of how much money you have. Going to the range with 5-10-15 pre-loaded hi-cap magazines is a lot more fun than watching other guys shoot while you are constantly loading magazines. And if there is ever an all-out SHTF emergency, you will be thankful you have plenty of magazines.
I would also consider the holsters that are available for both guns. It’s frustrating to buy a new gun and then find out there aren’t many holster options.
Definitely go with the Glock.
Ultra reliable, and more after-market options than any other handgun except the 1911.
Also, those options are dirt cheap, and usually user installable.
Yes, I've narrowed the field down to a pistol over a revolver. (personal preference) Yes I've narrowed it down to a mid-sized frame based on preference when firing. I can't see carrying a full-size and I hate the way the subcompacts feel in my hand - all of them. Sure they may be easier to carry, but if they are miserable to fire at the range, that takes a lot of the fun out of the sport as well as means I'll probably practice less, which isn't a good thing. I'd rather carry and rely on a weapon I'm comfortable with, even if it means adapting to a little more bulk.
Besides real range time/firing I've held and dry fired just about every semi-auto in three different local shops. I narrowed it down to the two I mentioned based on feel in my hand, reputation of the manufacturer, combination of features. What I was looking for here was (were?) the anecdotes, the personal experiences (first or second hand) such as the jams, trigger issues, magazine problems, ammo sensitivity, nooks and crannies that are hard to clean, etc.
You see, my theory is, if you go on the net and look around at reviews what you're going to see are both ends of the bell curve. Those people that care enough to post a review are going to either be fanboys that think manufacturer X can do no wrong. Or people that had a bad experience and hate Y with a passion. In general, these kinds of reviews are biased and not that useful. They're only useful if they occur a lot - indicating a real problem or a really good product that a lot of people fall in love with. Every product is going to have it's irrational fanboys and detractors. Those kinds of reviews are only useful in a statistical sense. What I'm more interested in are the experiences in the middle of the bell curve - what are they like to live with day by day.
The Glock 19 is an excellent firearm and you cant go wrong with it. Accurate. Reliable. Indestructible. Hard to beat as a concealed carry weapon. I have the Gen 4 Glock 19, and I really like it.
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