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James Holmes Black Bloc OWS Evidence? - Hate Is On the Rise
Radio Free NJ ^ | 7/21/2012 | frithguild

Posted on 07/21/2012 7:39:13 AM PDT by frithguild

I thought I would post a few thoughts. This image is now running around out there, without attributing the work done here at RFNJ:

I have not made any conclusions here [at RFNJ] that James E. Holmes belonged to any particular occupy group. It seems that only here at RFNJ can you see the truthful source of this image. For any OWS participants who come here, I will only say that I find admitting truth to be a liberating experience.

I draw an inference from the YouTube upload of this carefully edited video that it was NOT produced by the song artist James W. Holmes. iTunes shows this artist published other works that enjoy greater popularity. Yet, the creator of HolmesCollection at YouTube uploaded only one production, with "Keep Love Alive," as the sound track, and "hate" sounding at the appearance of an image appearing to be James E. Holmes.

I dare also say that a person more often than not knows of a namesake that enjoys great popularity. Here, it seems that James E. Holmes may have taken pleasure with hiding in plain sight.

Today my prayers are with the victims.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: jamesholmes; occubots; occutardation; occutards; occuturds; ows
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1 posted on 07/21/2012 7:39:26 AM PDT by frithguild
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To: frithguild

ping


2 posted on 07/21/2012 7:47:11 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: frithguild

Democrat Activist James Holmes (D-Aurora) tried to accelerate Democrat-led Gun Control by killing 12 people in a theatre. The whole reason everyone is saying “let’s not politicize this” is because there’s no way Democrats could call Democrat Activist James Holmes a “Tea party Republican”.


3 posted on 07/21/2012 7:47:30 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: frithguild

Thanks for posting this juxtaposition
Looks tot me like same smirk, same eyebrows, same eyes
Imagine with flaming red hair

If he was OWS (”Bless their hearts” sayeth Nancy Pelosi) in San Diego no wonder his mother knew immediately he was off the rails in Denver

Psycho Joker dude was bearded when he went rampaging in the theater this week, maybe conditioned to hate babies and women because he saw all those people as the 1%

I look forward to a forensics report affirming whether this is the same Holmes.

Maybe Brian Ross will get ABC investigators on this )(sac)


4 posted on 07/21/2012 7:48:40 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: frithguild
Thanks for posting this juxtaposition
Looks to me like same smirk, same eyebrows, same eyes
Imagine with flaming red hair

If he was OWS (”Bless their hearts” sayeth Nancy Pelosi) in San Diego no wonder his mother knew immediately he was off the rails in Denver

Psycho Joker dude was bearded when he went rampaging in the theater this week, maybe conditioned to hate babies and women because he saw all those people as the 1%

I look forward to a forensics report affirming whether this is the same Holmes.

Maybe Brian Ross will get ABC investigators on this (sarc)

5 posted on 07/21/2012 7:49:30 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: frithguild

That photo does not look real. The press has reported that he has no criminal record.


6 posted on 07/21/2012 7:50:58 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: frithguild

First the guy in the picture looks nothing like the suspect. Much different facial features.

Furthermore, the individual is being carried away by police... to be arrested, not dropped off at the nearest Starbucks.

James Holmes from Aurora via San Diego had no police record.


7 posted on 07/21/2012 7:56:23 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Agreed! This is hogwash. Unless there is more proof that the Colorado gunman is linked to OWS it's the same as Brian Ross linking him to the Tea Party.

Let's wait until the contents of the apartment have been examined. It's possible there will be evidence linking him to OWS or some other organization.

Until then I believe it was the result of a mind ruined by drugs.

8 posted on 07/21/2012 8:01:23 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
That photo does not look real.

Have you seen it in context in the video? With sound on?

9 posted on 07/21/2012 8:02:47 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: frithguild
I really think that we should just stop this. It's wrong when the leftist scum in the media plays these kinds of games, and our side shouldn't do it either.

There is no reason at all to believe that this terrible incident had any kind of even remotely conventional political motive behind it. This was simply a severely mentally disturbed individual who finally went around the bend and snapped. Period, end of story.

10 posted on 07/21/2012 8:04:19 AM PDT by jpl (The government spent another half a million bucks in the time it just took you to read this tagline.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Most OWS’ers were never charged or had their charges dropped by a sympathetic government.


11 posted on 07/21/2012 8:05:41 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: jpl

Not playing a game - I did not edit a video to make the above image appear when the singer sings “hate is on the rise”


12 posted on 07/21/2012 8:11:48 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: frithguild

Doesn’t look like the same guy to me. The jawline doesn’t match, the eyebrows don’t match and the hair/hairline/hair part don’t match.


13 posted on 07/21/2012 8:17:04 AM PDT by DCBurgess58 (In a Capitalist society, men exploit other men. In a Communist society it's exactly the opposite.)
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To: prisoner6
"Let's wait until the contents of the apartment have been examined. It's possible there will be evidence linking him to OWS or some other organization."

I agree with you on the larger point but after seeing that Governor ramble incoherently last night with a shoulder out of socket for slapping him on his back, do you even think for a moment that his office will let that piece of information out? Not a snowball's chance in hell.

He was so giddy about speaking to Napolatano but even more gleeful that Obama beat her to calling him. Then he has the gall to mention that Holder called him as well!

14 posted on 07/21/2012 8:20:22 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: nhwingut

Much different facial features? right eyebrow higher than left, hazel eyes, gaze palsy, high cheek bones, straight nose bridge, long chin, earlobes. Still think different? If so, OK.


15 posted on 07/21/2012 8:22:32 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Well it appears he went from 0 to 60 faster than my Maserati.


16 posted on 07/21/2012 8:23:00 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: jpl
I disagree...it is important to get the OWS Black Bloc spin out as the left will most certainly try to pin this nut case on the tea party ABC news already started that spin...

In case you have not realized the left is at war against all things opposed to it...

They do not have a difference of opinion between them and us, they want to crush us, destroy us, drive us to our knees to subjugate us to their will...

17 posted on 07/21/2012 8:24:26 AM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: jpl

>>I really think that we should just stop this. It’s wrong when the leftist scum in the media plays these kinds of games, and our side shouldn’t do it either.

Well, they do it. They’ve done it for years. If we don’t learn how to fight back, we’re all going to be disarmed serfs working in government owned factories and standing in line for food.

>>There is no reason at all to believe that this terrible incident had any kind of even remotely conventional political motive behind it. This was simply a severely mentally disturbed individual who finally went around the bend and snapped. Period, end of story.

This kind of insanity is not “simple”. He is a smart, educated man. He didn’t go from normal to homicidal maniac in one day. His OWS activities may be a key to his descent into madness. The leftist media will not willingly highlight anything that harms their cause, and if we don’t have the courage to stand up and point to the obvious, then they will control the dialogue. They will find one conservative-ish thing he’s done in his life and focus all their energy on that. And like Jared Laoughner, the media narrative of this will be that he is a right-wing gun nut who was driven to kill by his gun collection and video games.


18 posted on 07/21/2012 8:27:38 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DCBurgess58

jawline covered by beard. Hair is longer and dirty from being outside for a long period, explaining the curls. Left eyebrow is low on the orbit on the medial portion and thin at the outside margin and right eyebrow is higher in both pictures. Coincidence?


19 posted on 07/21/2012 8:27:54 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Democrat MO for as long as FR has been around IMHO

I call these events pre-election massacres, and they are done precisely because the left has in their little minds that there is no other way to get the kind of gun control they want, so sacrifices must be made in the effort.

Told a friend yesterday that as sure as God made little green apples, this guy was an OWS’r gone over the hill, but then weren’t they all?


20 posted on 07/21/2012 8:31:31 AM PDT by wita
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To: frithguild
they will control the dialogue

Finally someone who gets it!

This angle is too weird for any media outlet - even conservative - to play with. Believe me, I know.

21 posted on 07/21/2012 8:32:31 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: jpl
There is no reason at all to believe that this terrible incident had any kind of even remotely conventional political motive behind it.

The "Black Bloc" is an ultra-violent faction of the OWS movement. James Holmes was apparently dressed in "Black Bloc" attire during the rampage. The film playing at the time (Batman) depicts the 'Occupy' movement as villainous. The film is pro-Capitalist, anti-OWS. Its producers proudly and openly describe themselves as "right-wing". So there is at least SOME reason to believe the attack might be politically motivated.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9405999/How-the-Dark-Knight-Rises-reveals-Batmans-Conservative-soul.html

22 posted on 07/21/2012 8:32:39 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Vince Ferrer

At the press conference yesterday they said he had had no contact with Denver police other than a summons for speeding. Does not mean he had no criminal record with other jurisdictions. It could be the same guy only the eyes look different to me.


23 posted on 07/21/2012 8:32:39 AM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: frithguild

They don’t look alike to me. OWS-guy has more baby fat, curlier and lighter hair, bushier brows, and a more direct look in his eyes (shooter looks a bit more startled-ier, if that’s a word).


24 posted on 07/21/2012 8:37:13 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: frithguild

There are some very interesting twists and turns on this one.

1) He has zero internet presence beyond a sex site.

2) He had been collecting unemployment, which means that somebody had to have employed him for the minimum time (base period), but no mention of who employed him.

3) He dropped out of the graduate program about 1 month before the shooting spree.

4) Within a week before the shooting he was socializing in a bar with people who knew him, one of whom said he was acting normal.


25 posted on 07/21/2012 8:37:51 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Popman
the left is at war against all things opposed to it

The OWS people are out in force on social media callin names at any who intimate a Holmes/OWS connection. Yet, silence with this visual depiction and no discussion about where the image is from.

But here I get, let's wait and see. What has happened to FR?

26 posted on 07/21/2012 8:38:25 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: Bryanw92
And like Jared Laoughner [Giffords shooter] , the media narrative of this will be that he is a right-wing gun nut

The Last Honest Liberal-Caitie Parker (Friend of AZ Shooter)
Multiple including twitter interview by Freeper ^ | 1-9-11 | Icwhatudo

Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2011 5:32:27 AM by icwhatudo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2653697/posts
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Here are Caitie Parker's (a former friend of the shooter) original responses to 3 different Twitter posters (the 'at' symbol @ = To: _______ )

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27 posted on 07/21/2012 8:42:02 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Popman

>>They do not have a difference of opinion between them and us, they want to crush us, destroy us, drive us to our knees to subjugate us to their will...

I agree with you. Its just incredible that there are still people, even on FR, who cling to the stupid belief that this is just politics. The leftists tell us that they plan to fundamentally change America, they tell us that they don’t want us eating so much and driving so much, they tell us that they want our guns, they tell us that they want to control our businesses for the Greater Good. Obama has written his Mein Kampf through his speeches. Why won’t they listen to him?

We’ve seen kiling fields, execution chambers, ovens, mass graves in the last 100 years. The dictators who murdered millions started out saying the same thing as the modern leftist. Despite all this evidence, people will stick their head in the sand and pretend that all will be good if WE play by the rules we set for ourselves as the enemy plays by a different set.


28 posted on 07/21/2012 8:42:09 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
“Loughner’s former [BEST] friend [Zach Osler] said that he was mostly influenced by the Zeitgeist Movement. Below is the ABC video interview with Jared Loughner’s friend, Zach Osler.” [see first link below]

(ABC Good Morning America video at link)

Zach Osler: [pp] “Zeitgeist Movement had a PROFOUND effect on shooter and how he saw the world”
http://www.norcalblogs.com/gate/2011/01/shooter-never-listened-to-talk-radio-called-gifford-stupid-after-meeting-her.php
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The ‘Zeitgeist Movement’ is basically a global Marxism one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement

29 posted on 07/21/2012 8:42:37 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Bryanw92
From 2 DAYS before the shooting...

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KOS: My CongressWOMAN [Giffords] voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!
dailyKOS via google cache ^ | BoyBlue

Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:39:18 PM by Jim Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2653556/posts

30 posted on 07/21/2012 8:43:27 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Bryanw92
Following the shooting...

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Sarah Palin's Culpability in Attempted Assassination of Giffords
by BJ Rudell
Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 12:23:13 PM PST
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/8/934315/-Sarah-Palins-Culpability-in-Attempted-Assassination-of-Giffords

31 posted on 07/21/2012 8:44:11 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: albionin

He grew up in California, and there was an article yesterday from California stating he has no criminal record there. His sole run in with the police previous to yesterday is that speeding ticket.


32 posted on 07/21/2012 8:44:14 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: mazda77

Oh yes...Hicken...whatever his name...is just a couple of points away from Kusinich on the wacko scale! What worries me about the apartment is the concept of using a controlled explosive device. That is just stupid!

They don’t know what is in the containers. Setting off a device could release who knows what! The guy was working on phd and may have had access to chemicals and bio agents.

An explosion may also destroy other evidence, especially digital. Could his digital info be protected by vials of acid that would be released unless an overide code is entered?

I also believe a lot of info has already been scrubbed. That could be the reason for the delay in releasing his name. Years ago the first thing I did working in news was search all over the web for info on perps. Myspace, Twitter, Facebook, Usenet groups, photo and video sites and such.

You woud be amazed at what I used to find! Locally a gunman attacked a workout center and killed several people. I found extensive writings and pics by the perp before anyone else.

Now I often don’t bother looking!


33 posted on 07/21/2012 8:45:08 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: frithguild

I dunno - all white guys look the same.


34 posted on 07/21/2012 8:46:35 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

He was working at McDonalds after he graduated and couldn’t get a job. I’ve seen that several places.


35 posted on 07/21/2012 8:48:17 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: jpl

You know what? Screw the left. They play this s**t all the time. Hell, I might even outright-FABRICATE some damned evidence. I’m pretty good at this computer stuff, so.... Yes. I think I will.


36 posted on 07/21/2012 8:49:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Borg Zombies walk around groaning "Commmppuutteerrrrssss......Commmppuutteerrrrssss......")
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To: Yashcheritsiy

The beard on Occupy guy looks a lot different than the beard on Holmes. Not definitive, but Holmes’ beard in the sex site photo doesn’t have nearly the thickness (hair count per square inch).


37 posted on 07/21/2012 8:54:20 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: frithguild
I totally see that this guy looks like the San Diego OWSer.

I would love to know what the mom meant by, "You have the right guy"? It has not been made clear to me. Did she simply mean that she was, indeed, the mother of the shooter or that she knew her son was mentally unstable?

Maybe I'm the only one that isn't clear about her comment.

38 posted on 07/21/2012 8:55:57 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (I just try to stay out of the fray...)
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To: Vince Ferrer

That is amazing. I am not a psychologist but It seems like a schizophrenic to me. I have read that it usually rears it’s ugly head in the 20’s. When I was a kid there was a bum in the neighborhood living in an abandoned house. He would always ask you if you were with the secret service. Everyone thought he was harmless until one day he came in to my grandmother’s business and told the guy working there that he wanted to take him down to the fish plant and cut his face off with the fish scaling machine. The police finally hauled him off.


39 posted on 07/21/2012 8:56:52 AM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: frithguild
They've got him in custody and I'm thinking that we may be finding out some very interesting things...

And I base this on the way I see the media behaving, which tells me that they've got some insider info from the leftists. It's only a matter of time.

They're being so gentle with him. I think the political exploitation of the event have been so minimal that there must be something explosive we don't know yet.

40 posted on 07/21/2012 9:03:12 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: prisoner6

“Until then I believe it was the result of a mind ruined by drugs.”

Yeah, let’s blame it on K2 Spice...It’s all the rage!


41 posted on 07/21/2012 9:12:10 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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42 posted on 07/21/2012 9:14:33 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: jpl
There is no reason at all to believe that this terrible incident had any kind of even remotely conventional political motive behind it.

From Breitbart, one day before the shooting...

("Dark Knight" was ANTI-Occupy, PRO-Capitalist)

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/07/18/dark-knight-rises-review-batman-bain-ows

43 posted on 07/21/2012 9:14:51 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: jpl

“This was simply a severely mentally disturbed individual who finally went around the bend and snapped. Period, end of story.”

Prove it...if you can.


44 posted on 07/21/2012 9:15:13 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: jpl
There is no reason at all to believe that this terrible incident had any kind of even remotely conventional political motive behind it. This was simply a severely mentally disturbed individual who finally went around the bend and snapped. Period, end of story.

If there was any evidence at all this guy was a Tea Party activist then the media would be well within their rights to report that fact. And they would.

Likewise, if it turns out he's a anarchist from the OWS movement then that should be reported as well. But they will not.

So someone needs to determine the truth.

45 posted on 07/21/2012 9:21:59 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: wita

“...his guy was an OWS’r gone over the hill, but then weren’t they all?”

This is what they mean when they say “By Any Means Necessary”. Just ask Eric Holder.


46 posted on 07/21/2012 9:25:02 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: DCBurgess58; All
That photo does not look real. The press has reported that he has no criminal record.

Does not look real?

From 'here'; think this looks exactly like him! His face; cheek planes, eyes; and yes, 'hair'. It is naturally curly and so real 'part line'. When 'this' hair is trimmed; this is exactly what it looks like; can see same drop of longer 'curl' still evident on left of forehead; post trim.

As for 'arrest record'; why are you assuming there was an arrest in this picture. Thousands 'picked up'; not charged. . .just removed; or moved to another location when blocking a roadway etc. . .

OWS would be a 'likely location' for James Holmes; who clearly, wanted/needed some 'stage' attention; as well as his being 'otherwise' disturbed and needing to find 'place' for it; or passage from it.

Sad, and troubling; that there is no place for young men; to experience 'rites of passage'/acknowledgment anymore. Save, of course, for the Military and that derided by Liberals. So, what is left? Religion? That underpinning, well taken care of, for 'young, rising Liberals per their upbringing, anyway.

Safe to say; Holmes has the Liberal 'trademarks'.

47 posted on 07/21/2012 9:29:14 AM PDT by cricket
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To: frithguild

It’s him. He may be going by Muhammed Alam in that arrest photo, but it’s him.


48 posted on 07/21/2012 9:39:59 AM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: txhurl
It’s him. He may be going by Muhammed Alam in that arrest photo, but it’s him.

Odds are about a million to one that that's him in the photo. And why in hell would an Marxist/anarchist "Occupy" member use a muslim name?

49 posted on 07/21/2012 10:23:32 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Bryanw92

(((((there are still people, even on FR, who cling to the stupid belief that this is just politics))))

Politics is just the foreplay to war....

Fortunately in this country we “ had” a citizeney that was moral, ethical, hard working, honest, living their lives based on western civilization values, thoughts and concepts so as not to slip from the realm of politics into warfare....as well as a sound government based on the rule of law (consitituon) and sound fiscal policies...to reign in any forces that would upset the apple cart of American life....

That my FRiend is where we were....today do to a whole realm of different reasons....we are heading to a new territory strangely familiar but not at all American....God help us.....


50 posted on 07/21/2012 10:27:42 AM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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