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How Romney could become a great president
original to FR | July 22, 2012 | Peter O'Donnell

Posted on 07/22/2012 3:32:46 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell

This year, America needs to elect a great president, and that will require voting against the incumbent.

Mitt Romney has failed to excite conservatives, by and large, and is suspected of being too centrist, even too liberal, to bring the necessary resolve to the office that might place America back on the right path.

However, alternatives seem few and far between as there is almost no chance of anyone else being nominated for the GOP or elected as a third party candidate. So it's basically a choice between Mitt Romney stepping up to the plate, or waiting for that great president to come along in 2016 -- and that begs the question, does America have four years to sacrifice? Perhaps, things always look worse than they turn out to be, but this may be the one time where things are as bad, if not worse, than they appear.

Here's what I believe Mitt Romney must do to become a great president. I must admit that when asked to choose four topics in posting this article, I was tempted by humour, weird stuff, and miscellaneous. I'm not saying that I think Romney can improve his game this much. But at least we should discuss what he needs to do to attract the support of conservatives.

First, he needs to select the most suitable running mate. I would like to see him select Sarah Palin or possibly Newt Gingrich. America needs to have confidence that there's a substantial person at the side of this potential president, and not just substantial, but with conservative credentials. But some of the choices mentioned widely in the press would not harm the rest of this agenda, because it's mainly in Romney's hands anyway.

Here are four conservative principles that I think Romney should pledge to uphold if elected.

(1) Take all possible steps to balance the budget and to reduce the debt and deficit. As part of that, refrain from further misadventures under the heading of "green economy" and adopt sensible, realistic climate policies (meaning, accept natural variability and move on, no more expensive solar or wind boondoggles, an emphasis on clean air rather than reduced carbon dioxide).

(2) Pledge to stay out of foreign entanglements of all kinds except those which vitally affect the security of the United States. No more U.N. sponsored adventures, no costly ambiguous foreign wars, just intervention to save vital interests of this country.

(3) Preserve the principle of conventional marriage, and uphold the spirit of the First and Second Amendments.

(4) Keep taxes low and stimulate small business while doing nothing to harm the economy.

If Romney pledges to maintain these four key conservative "core values" then he would be on the road to being the great president that these times require. He must also pledge to keep the Mormon faith question a private matter and maintain the separation of church and state.

I believe he should do all this, not to enhance his voter appeal or run up larger vote totals, but to save America from becoming a failed state. The question of border security plays into this as well, and it should be expected that there would be a reversal of trends towards increased illegal immigration. What you do with the ones already here is probably open to different solutions, but these should be in the national interest.

If Romney fails to endorse a strong conservative foundation, then I don't see how he is going to be enough of an improvement over Obama to merit any special consideration from American conservative voters, who would be quite within their rights to park their vote with a more principled candidate. It's up to Romney, does he want to do the minimum (and probably lose like McCain did) or does he want to do the maximum (and probably win like Reagan did against Carter?).

To me, the choice is a no-brainer -- conservative principles can save America from the inevitable crisis that would follow any further liberal misadventures.


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1 posted on 07/22/2012 3:32:52 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell
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To: Peter ODonnell

BRING BACK AMERICAN MANUFACTURING.

Stop exporting things.

Just stop it. Fight to bring back (all) jobs.

Now.


2 posted on 07/22/2012 3:35:29 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Peter ODonnell

3 posted on 07/22/2012 3:35:54 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: NoLibZone

Sorry Sarah... Romney is already snubbing you...


4 posted on 07/22/2012 3:38:11 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
" BRING BACK AMERICAN MANUFACTURING. Stop exporting things. Just stop it. Fight to bring back (all) jobs. Now. "

Right - both parties know this but they won't act on it. Until they do, we will have recession.

5 posted on 07/22/2012 3:44:18 PM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

It was Bush I and Bush II who gave us NAFTA and CAFTA and CRAPTA. Disgusting self-serving RINOS. And dyed- in -the- wool Globalists. Pursuing personal wealth.

If Romney can dial this back...all the way back...he will indeed be counted as one of the great ones.


6 posted on 07/22/2012 3:44:51 PM PDT by miserare
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To: Peter ODonnell
A better title for this article might be:

How Wishful Thinking Leads To Disappointment

7 posted on 07/22/2012 3:46:09 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: NoLibZone

Good words from Sarah.


8 posted on 07/22/2012 3:46:16 PM PDT by miserare
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To: Peter ODonnell
Obama worships Obama. Romney seeks God. I will vote for Romney.
9 posted on 07/22/2012 3:54:52 PM PDT by Armaggedon
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To: Peter ODonnell

romney should name Sarah or Newt as VP but he wont. The clown is anti-conservative as noted from the pic of romney sr next to goldwater. Ann Romney said they didnt even know a repub in 1995. Romney will name another rino/moderate as VP and mediocrity ensues.


10 posted on 07/22/2012 3:55:54 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

How is stopping exports going to bring back jobs? We need to esport more.


11 posted on 07/22/2012 4:00:12 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

American manufacturing is not coming back until we no longer have the highest corporate tax rates, highest regulations, and unfair trading practices by countries such as China & Japan and many others.

Cost of labor is not the overriding factor most think it is. Most mass produced goods do not require a lot of labor hours. We have open markets where foreigners can dump goods at will. Yet, there are numerous roadblocks and tariffs on our exports to certain countries. Like Trump says again and again, they are laughing at us!


12 posted on 07/22/2012 4:02:27 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will rot your gut from the inside.)
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To: Hugin

Oops. You’re right.

Export more. Stop importing everything.

Thanks. :D


13 posted on 07/22/2012 4:02:47 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: biggredd1

Newt would be an outstanding choice for VP. He has the best skills in dealing with media.


14 posted on 07/22/2012 4:04:38 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will rot your gut from the inside.)
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To: Peter ODonnell
Why Mitt Romney is Unlikable!

A lot is being said in the media about Mitt Romney not being "likable" or that he doesn't "relate well" to people. Frankly, we struggled to understand why. So after much research, we have come up with a Top Ten List to explain this "unlikablility."

Top Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney:

1. Drop-dead collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesman like aura. Looks like every central casting's #1 choice for Commander-in-Chief.

2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has been faithful to her, including through her bouts with breast cancer and MS.

3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)

4. Can't speak in a fake, southern, "black preacher voice" when necessary.

5. Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School...and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.

6. Doesn't smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs, not even in the counter-culture age when he went to college. Too square for today's America?

7. Represents an America of "yesterday", where people believed in God, went to Church, didn't fool around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!

8. Has a family of five great sons....and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab. But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom, and that "choice" deserves America's scorn.

9. Oh yes.....he's a MORMON. We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.

10. And one more point.....pundits say because of his wealth, he can't relate to ordinary Americans. I guess that's because he made that money HIMSELF.....as opposed to marrying it or inheriting it from Dad. Apparently, he didn't understand that actually working at a job and earning your own money made you unrelatable to Americans. My goodness, it's a strange world, isn't it?

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Personal Information:

His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney
He was Born: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.
His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan.
He was raised in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan
He is Married to Ann Romney since 1969; they five children.
Education: B.A. from Brigham Young University, J.D. and M.B.A. from Harvard University.
Religion: Mormon - The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints
Working Background: After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.
After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar exam, but never worked as an attorney.
In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm, one of the largest such firms in the United States.
In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy. He was President and CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games. In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit. Some Interesting Facts about Romney:

Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts, turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people. Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply and many others. He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign for 1 year. He was an unpaid intern in his dad's governor's office for eight years. He was an unpaid bishop and state president of his church for ten years. He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic committee for three years. He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years. He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our country but has given more back to its citizens in terms of money, service and time than most men. And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income.... Just for comparison purposes, Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.

Mitt Romney is Trustworthy:

He will show us his birth certificate
He will show us his high school and college transcripts.
He will show us his social security card.
He will show us his law degree.
He will show us his draft notice.
He will show us his medical records.
He will show us his income tax records.
He will show us he has nothing to hide.
Mitt Romney's background, experience and trustworthiness show him to be a great leader and an excellent citizen for President of the United States. You might think that Romney is not be the best representative the Republicans could have selected. But at least I know what religion he is, and that he won't desecrate the flag, bow down to foreign powers, or practice fiscal irresponsibility. I know he has the ability to turn around this financial debacle that the current regime has gotten us into. We won't like all the things necessary to recover from this debt, but someone with Romney's background can do it.

On the minus side, he never was a "Community Organizer", never took drugs or smoked pot, never got drunk, did not associate with communists or terrorists, nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the US.

"What you permit, you promote."

First Rule of Liberalism: Government failure always justifies more government.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

-- Thomas Jefferson

15 posted on 07/22/2012 4:07:19 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Peter ODonnell
If Romney is going to be a good President the first thing he must do is fire every single government employee hired in the previous eight years.

The second thing he needs to do is issue an executive order canceling about 90% of Obama's executive orders including the amnesty executive order.

Third, he needs to kill Obamacare without replacing it with his own program.

Fourth, he needs to remove on oil and gas until the U.S. is 100% independent on foreign oil.

All of the above can be done in the first week in office.

How many of the above will he actually do?

16 posted on 07/22/2012 4:10:28 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Actually, the manufacturing sector is looking a lot better than you think. Total manufacturing output is growing at a nice pace, about 4% and that's faster than overall GDP growth.

U.S. Manufacturing Leads Current Economic Growth As It Has For 15 Years

17 posted on 07/22/2012 4:16:06 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Peter ODonnell

“To me, the choice is a no-brainer — conservative principles can save America from the inevitable crisis that would follow any further liberal misadventures.”

Better look for somebody other than Willard.. Conservative principles he has not....

He is and isn’t for gay marriage
He is and isn’t pro second amendment
His record on taxes and spending is mixed
Willard Mitt Romney does not and will not fulfill the dreams you present here.


18 posted on 07/22/2012 4:23:40 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: InterceptPoint

Look I’m not doubting you, but I’m not saying your figures are right either.

We have become almost a relic, in just a few short years. We used to sell, design and manufacture almost everything in the world.

Now we buy (import) a bunch of stuff.

That happened because we stopped selling things, and buy, and buy, and buy.

That will not continue. We are 15 trillion in debt, and that increases by the day.

We need to start making things here, stop spending money we do not have, and get our house in order.

Now. Sorry but it’s true.

We need to sell stuff.


19 posted on 07/22/2012 4:24:10 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Peter ODonnell
Romney is a fool, but the Republican voters decided he was the one. So we have to get behind what the voters selected. Only the convention could change things and it will not. So we have to get used to it. It is too bad that some Republicans decided that Newt was not good President material. The best thing that might help Romney is to suggest cabinet positions for Palin and Gingrich.
20 posted on 07/22/2012 4:25:26 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: cableguymn

I disagree that Sarah’s assessment of MItt was motivated by personal ambitions and self interests.


21 posted on 07/22/2012 4:26:22 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: Peter ODonnell

P.S. Mitt Romney if elected president will be as reliable a conservative as Justice Roberts....


22 posted on 07/22/2012 4:28:23 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: Armaggedon

“Obama worships Obama. Romney seeks God. I will vote for Romney.”


Wrong. Obama worships Obama. Mittens worships a space alien on planet Kolob who promises, in return, to make Mittens an object of worship.

It’s a sad thing to see conservatives turn Hopey-Changey over Mitt Gimmick 2012. Just accept the fact that we got screwed, again, and that we lost the Presidential race when Mitt won the nomination. He’s not our guy. He’s the GOPe’s guy.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 4:39:35 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
We need to sell stuff.

True enough but the rest of the world, Europe, China and India in particular, need to sell stuff too for the same reason. Free trade, to the extent that is actually achievable, is still better than any other scheme. History tells us so.

If you actually think that we import too much "stuff" then, as a loyal American, you need to do your part and stop shopping at Walmart, Target, Fry's, Penny's, Nordstroms ... (Just kidding.)

I'm pretty sure that the manufacturing data is pretty close to the truth. Remember, we are buying plastic toys and clothing from the Chinese and selling them Boeing 747's. Don't make the mistake of equating both sides of that transaction. If I recall correctly, the last time I looked the productivity of a U.S. worker is something like 20x that of the corresponding Chinese. If not 20x it is still a very large ratio. The Chinese will not be able to match U.S. manufacturing productivity for many decades if ever.

24 posted on 07/22/2012 4:40:27 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: RaisingCain

(welcome to FR)

Just saying...


25 posted on 07/22/2012 4:40:51 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: InterceptPoint

I believe the Chinese have already exceeded America exports, two years ago.

Just saying.

We still import more. Which leaves less.


26 posted on 07/22/2012 4:43:19 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: entropy12
"American manufacturing is not coming back until we no longer have the highest corporate tax rates, highest regulations, "

I think that is overblown. GE and others are paying no tax, but exporting jobs, IBM has no unions but still outsourced. Apple makes the Ipad in China. Few corporation pay the tax rate because of loopholes. Plus we probably don't want the water and air pollution, child labor of 3rd world countries.

It's all about making the most money for Wall Street stock approval and year end bonus getting.

27 posted on 07/22/2012 4:46:32 PM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“1. Drop-dead collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesman like aura. Looks like every central casting’s #1 choice for Commander-in-Chief.”


He’s like Barbie’s Mormon dad. The Plastic-Ken doll of politics.


“3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)”


Except that he’s a proven pathological liar on virtually every issue of importance.


” Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School...and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.”

Because guys from Harvard Business and Law school really made this country great, and all their decisions have really left us a shining city upon a hill.


“Represents an America of “yesterday”, where people believed in God, went to Church, didn’t fool around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!”

Mittens represents the “yesterday” of the 1800s when ignorant farmers believed there were Mormons on the moon and on the sun, and that despite being wrong multiple times, their prophets are still prophets because the prophet said so.


“Oh yes.....he’s a MORMON. We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.”

That’s a myth. The Mormons are just as corrupt as any other group, though they are more prone to lying about what their religion teaches when challenged on it than others.


28 posted on 07/22/2012 4:50:46 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Peter ODonnell; Elsie; greyfoxx39; All
From the article: He must also pledge to keep the Mormon faith question a private matter and maintain the separation of church and state.

Now why would either Romney, who promised in Dec 07 that he would keep the faith of his "fathers," pledge to do something that would set aside the authority of his "prophet" and general authorities to weigh in re: his life?

And why would the Mormon general authorities -- who have already gone on record re: the inclination to engage in political overreach -- retreat from what they've said on the record?

Lds Leader Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title) Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words)
John Taylor Lds 'Prophet' #3 “The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto…[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862)
John Taylor Lds 'Prophet' #3 The LDS Church -- in 2001 -- thought it well to pull this quote from John Taylor to emphasize it: "The Lord...is desirous to show us how to save ourselves, how to bless ourselves temporally and spiritually, intellectually, morally, physically, POLITICALLY..." (Lds Church owned Deseret News, Nov. 19, 1865, p. 2, as quoted in Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor (2001, p. 178). Also from p. 178: "The idea of strictly religious feelings with us, and nothing else, is out of the question...Our religion is more comprehensive than that of the world...it embraces all the interests of humanity in every conceivable phrase..." (Original source: The Gospel Kingdom, 1943, p. 168)
Orson Hyde President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875) “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)
Heber J. Grant Lds 'Prophet' #7 "Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984)
Harold B. Lee Lds 'Prophet' #11 ...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989)
Spencer Kimball Lds 'Prophet' #12 "President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983)
What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father? Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets') "Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984)
Ezra Taft Benson Lds 'Prophet' #13 Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: “…remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet…” (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #5 5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #9 9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #10 10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt?)
B.H. Roberts LDS Historian and Seventy. Note: Roberts was an elected Democratic Congressman from Utah in 1898 -- but was NEVER seated by Congress because of grass roots uproar vs. Roberts, who took a THIRD simultaneous wife in the early 1890s. Grass roots America collected 7 MILLION signatures on 28 banners and presented them to Congress...in pre-mass media 1800s! “[T]he kingdom of God... is to be a POLITICAL INSTITUTION THAT SHALL HOLD SWAY OVER ALL THE EARTH; TO WHICH ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUBORDINATE AND BY WHICH THEY WILL BE DOMINATED.” The Rise and Fall of Nauvoo, 1900, p. 180
Mitt Romney as POTUS??? Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do? The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."]

29 posted on 07/22/2012 4:50:56 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Mitt Romney is Trustworthy: He will show us his birth certificate

Mitt Romney will confess that he was first "spirit born" on a planet near the star Kolob. But he won't prove that he's an alien who came to this planet to inhabit a body.

It's what he believes. (Which is pretty wacky that so many would vote for a self-confessed other worldly alien)... still, he can't prove it.

30 posted on 07/22/2012 4:53:26 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I believe the Chinese have already exceeded America exports, two years ago.

That's true. It happened in 2010. The Chinese are manufacturing more that the U.S. That's likely to continue at least into the near future.

My point is that the Chinese need to employ a very large percentage of their population to accomplish this. And they have 1.3 billion people compared to the U.S 300 million or so. That's 4 times as many people. And U.S. manufacturing, because of automation, requires a very small percentage of the population to be involved in manufacturing.

And, as noted, we are selling Boeing 747s and they are selling plastic toys. (OK, I exaggerate, but you see my point.)

Bottom line: Comparing Chinese manufacturing and U.S. manufacturing is sort of an apples/oranges deal. You have to be careful.

31 posted on 07/22/2012 4:53:58 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: InterceptPoint

It’s unlikely, actually. Manufacturing in China is artificial and is even now slowing down. They can only build giant cities with no one living in them for so long. They can also only inflate their numbers fraudulently for only so long.


32 posted on 07/22/2012 4:56:36 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: InterceptPoint

Yes and no.

China exports more than we do now.

China also has much lower unemployment. So we have more unemployment, and spend money to keep those unemployed fed - which china continue to sell all sorts of things to America unhindered, and continues to grow.

That is unfair, and I oppose it. We need to stop buying everything imported.

It is beyond foolish now. It is becoming dangerous.

Buy American.


33 posted on 07/22/2012 4:58:32 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Peter ODonnell

Is this from the Onion?

This is like saying how Hannibal Lechter can become a great cook.


34 posted on 07/22/2012 5:10:26 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: CharacterCounts

Without going into lots of details, he can’t even do those things. He can do a few, but only a few. BUT . . he’s not a Conservative. he has come up with an excuse for everything he has ever believed on every side of the issue.

If Romney is elected, Conservatism dies. We will be completely and utterly irrelevant. Didn’t we learn that under W.? Clearly, some of us didn’t.


35 posted on 07/22/2012 5:15:36 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Peter ODonnell

Meh.


37 posted on 07/22/2012 5:21:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: Peter ODonnell

Gov. Sarah Palin or Speaker Newt Gingrich as VP
COULD let Mr. RomneyCARE win POTUS, BUT
Mr. ROmneyCARE, author of DEATH PANELS, would
NEVER become a great president because he
is a liberal and a liar. Mr. RomneyCARE would
nominate Democrats, install Global Warming
Fees, and Sharia Fees (oh, how he loves that word).


38 posted on 07/22/2012 5:22:16 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Peter ODonnell
How Romney could become a great president

AQnd still miss Heaven...

39 posted on 07/22/2012 5:24:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Peter ODonnell

Uh, I dunno, get re-incarnated as a fiscal Conservative?


40 posted on 07/22/2012 5:24:16 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Stop exporting things.

Uh... I think you mean IMPORTING...



Fight to bring back (all) jobs.

You'd have to have high tariffs placed on imports to offset the low cost wages of foreign workers.

Until then, our money WILL flow to the cheapest supplier of whatever you want created.

Simple econmonics.

41 posted on 07/22/2012 5:26:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Armaggedon
Romney seeks God. I will vote for Romney.

Romney is a mormon, he does not seek God, he seeks to BE a god. Big difference. I am not sure I will vote at all for the first time in my life.

42 posted on 07/22/2012 5:27:28 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: NoLibZone
Mitt might know it; but I doubt that he'd DO it...
43 posted on 07/22/2012 5:27:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Sorry I mixed up the time-comparisons just a bit so it sounds like I said something else, but you get my point.

Romney is (much) better than Obama at this point in time.

Hopefully Palin is nominated as Romney’s VP. If not, then I’ll vote for Romney but then turn tail the day after his election.

We’ll end up with another candidate, but right now we (HAVE) to unelected Obama first.

Everything else, after that.


44 posted on 07/22/2012 5:29:28 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Armaggedon; Jeff Head
Romney seeks God.

The MORMON one (of many).

MORMONism's 'god' is NOT the same as Christianity's.


Santorum endorses one-time rival Romney

Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:32:46 AM · 416 of 492
Jeff Head to stpio

Jesus Christ is God’s Son, spiritually and physically. He calls Him Father, He prays to Him. We are to pray to Him,, God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, His Son.

God’s voice was heard at Christ’s baptism, coming from Heaven while He was in the water. The Holy Sirit also descended. Three seperate entities/Gods.


45 posted on 07/22/2012 5:29:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Peter ODonnell

He’s gotta get there first. Won’t get much help from FReeperland.


46 posted on 07/22/2012 5:30:11 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: NoLibZone; cableguymn
Gov. Palin did not give a candid opinion of BAckstabber
Romney. After all, he sent Team Romney to take out the
reputation of HER FAMILY --- her children to throw the
Election of 2008 to Romney's friend Obama.

To the degree Gov. Palin supports the Backstabbing
Liar KNown As Mr. RomneyCARE, it is Stockholm Syndrome.


47 posted on 07/22/2012 5:31:16 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: American in Israel
Do not fall into Obama’s trap. Romney is a saint compared to Obama. Obama will destroy America if we let him beguile us.
48 posted on 07/22/2012 5:32:31 PM PDT by Armaggedon
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.

.
.
.
But at least I know what religion he is...

barely!


Mitt either AGREES with the following or he does not.

Has ANYONE put the question to him???



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

49 posted on 07/22/2012 5:33:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
That happened because we stopped selling things, and buy, and buy, and buy.

No; it became CHEAPER to buy from overseas.

A loooooong time ago, I purchased a Nikon camera thru the PX while in the service; near the end of my 4 years enlistment.

It did not come until AFTER I had been discharged and was back home.

I almost did NOT get it from the Post Office because I had not paid the TARIFF on it (established to 'protect' our manufacturers of cameras).

I had to prove I purchased it thru the system overseas that did NOT require the tariff.

It is the QUALITY of the overseas stuff that FORCED our country to improve OUR stuff, since they could be slack and make chintzier equiptment; knowing that most folks look at price; NOT quality!

You get what you pay for STILL is a good, old adage!


Oh yeah...

The 'tariff' was about $500 at the time - in 1964 dollars!

50 posted on 07/22/2012 5:40:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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