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Washington Times full-page ad: Stop The Charade
The Washington Times ^ | 07/23/2012 | Article 2 Super PAC

Posted on 07/23/2012 10:27:38 AM PDT by TexasVoter

Article 2 Super PAC has placed an explosive ad on the front section, back page of today's Washington Times, quoting Cold Case Posse Lead Investigator Mike Zullo, "It's time for this charade to stop!"


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: barackobama; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; kenyanborn; liarinchief; liarobama; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamalies
This newspaper typically winds up on the desk of every lawmaker in Washington. Let's hope they read it.
1 posted on 07/23/2012 10:27:49 AM PDT by TexasVoter
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To: TexasVoter

http://www.art2superpac.com/UserFiles/file/A18-WTNA07232012.pdf


2 posted on 07/23/2012 10:30:50 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: TexasVoter

In before the “we trust Obama” crowd


3 posted on 07/23/2012 10:32:21 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Doogle

Page 18?

Should be front page.


4 posted on 07/23/2012 10:34:48 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: TexasVoter

I encourage everyone to watch the selective service fraud video. That alone should be enough to send chills through you.


5 posted on 07/23/2012 10:38:34 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: All

6 posted on 07/23/2012 10:39:35 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: TexasVoter

Do I see a snowball at the top of the hill starting to roll...


7 posted on 07/23/2012 10:41:35 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: TexasVoter
The response to this ..I can hear the crickets chirp. The Lame Stream Media will ignore this or at best brand it as the work of some birther nuts. The GOP court eunuchs will do the same. If this damning information were on a Republican President the impeachment would have already started and calls for resignation would be at fever pitch.

Remember the fable of the Emperor's new clothes and no one save a little kid had the guts to say the Emperor was actually nude? Obama's fraud is manifest for all who dare to see, but like most of the Emperor's subjects no one dares to recognize the truth.

8 posted on 07/23/2012 10:42:14 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: TexasVoter

Call me a pessimist, but I see this going about as far as it’s gotten so far, which is nowhere. The Republicans don’t have the guts to follow through with any of this stuff, and I’m certainly not holding my breath that Romney will run with any of this. Even some in our own crowd don’t want to talk about it. And even if it is challenged, then what? It would probably end up in the laps of the Supreme Court, and I can pretty much guess what will happen there.

This will become a footnote in history that there was talk about Obama not being a natural born citizen and other mysteries surrounding his early life, and that will be about it. I hope I’m wrong.


9 posted on 07/23/2012 10:47:16 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: The Great RJ

Yeah....I keep thinking about sending out an email WEEKLY....with a subject line that says “The Emperor has No Clothes”....to all my friends, family, etc.....and just see if anyone gets it....


10 posted on 07/23/2012 11:02:23 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: Codeflier

can you point to a link?


11 posted on 07/23/2012 11:03:12 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: TexasVoter

I saw a survey (http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2012/07/number-of-people-who-dont-believe-obama.html) that suggests that 45% of Americans either disbelieve or are unsure whether Obama was born in the US. This is an INCREASE since his alleged birth certificate was posted on the White House Website.

Members of Congress are waiting to hear from this many concerned citizens. They are elected officials. They will not take any risk toward a Congressional investigation until they feel that it is necessary for their reelection.

START HERE: http://www.art2superpac.com/contactcongress.html


12 posted on 07/23/2012 11:23:18 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: goodnesswins

Forgive the lack of html for the link (copy and paste)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbkPh6NXZ7A


13 posted on 07/23/2012 11:25:37 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Codeflier

Amen.


14 posted on 07/23/2012 11:28:38 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Doogle

I have always been confused with this line of logic. Believe me, I despise the man, but it is my understanding, that if his mother was an American citizen and he was born anywhere in the world, he is a ‘natural born’ American - no need to ‘naturalize’.

Let me explain. Both of my children were born in Greece - 82’ and 84’ respectively. I was working there for the American Embassy in Athens at the time for the Dept. of State. They were both born in a Greek Hospital, and we were living on the Greek economy. After they were born, we registered them with the Greek Government, then took all of the Greek paperwork to the embassy and obtained certificates titled ‘Birth of Americans citizens born abroad’. The children did not have to be ‘naturalized’ upon entry in the U.S. and had obtained their own U.S. passports, (even thought the pictures were of babies being held up. The reason we obtained their own passports was in the chance that we would have to evacuate a country - it was recommended that they each have their own passport rather than attaching to either parent). They were literally born natural Americans in Greece simply due to our citizen status. I do not believe that both parents have to be citizens, but just proof of one - in Obama’s case, it is his mother. If someone wants to explain, in practical terms, laws that state otherwize, I would be happy to hear them, but have believed that this is a line that has not merit from the get go. Natural born does not mean you have to actually be born on U.S. soil. John McCain was born in Panama while his father was in the navy and he was certified to be eligible. it simply means that you are an American at birth.


15 posted on 07/23/2012 11:30:21 AM PDT by mouell
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To: mouell
Ummmmm....I assume your spouse is also American...?

with Zero, the fact remains that his father was a British subject; both parents have to be citizens in order for their offspring to be NB.

16 posted on 07/23/2012 11:38:55 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: mouell

Believe me, I despise the man, but it is my understanding, that if his mother was an American citizen and he was born anywhere in the world, he is a ‘natural born’ American - no need to ‘naturalize’.


Perhaps you missed this post.
“The Constitution, Vattel, and ‘Natural Born Citizen’: What Our Framers Knew
American Clarion ^ | July 18, 2012 | Publius Huldah “

You can believe what you wish, but you should at least be aware of the the reasons why others have concluded that Obama is not a “natural born citizen”.


17 posted on 07/23/2012 12:00:31 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: mouell

wrong the statutory law in effect at time of Obamas supposed birth if it was out of the US required his mother (if married) to have 5 years residency after age 14 which she did not so both of his parents would have had to be US citizens for him to be a citizen at birth.

Natual born citizen is a requirement for President of the US and does not mean statutorily born a citizen at birth (until decided by the US Supreme Court which they are avoiding)


18 posted on 07/23/2012 12:22:29 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: murron
"The Republicans don’t have the guts to follow through with any of this stuff..."

I sometimes wonder if the GOP opposition to us "birther" nuts has more to do with Marco Rubio than with lord Obama.

Can anyone here correct me when I opine that Rubio's parents' status at the time of his birth put him in approximately the same non-natural born citizen category as is lord Obama?

19 posted on 07/23/2012 12:26:06 PM PDT by norton
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To: mouell
per US State Department

7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency (TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)

a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.

b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that ―No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President.‖

c. The Constitution does not define "natural born". The ―Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization‖, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat. 103,104) provided that, ―...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States

d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf

20 posted on 07/23/2012 12:42:52 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: mouell

“Believe me, I despise the man, but it is my understanding, that if his mother was an American citizen and he was born anywhere in the world, he is a ‘natural born’ American - no need to ‘naturalize’.”

How did you reach this understanding? Citizenship has been tied to the father for,,forever. Isn’t that why they call it HIStory instead of HERstory?

Why isn’t anyone born in the US a natural born citizen? That would mean any child of any illegal alien, communist dictator, Mexican NarcoTerrorist, etc., born in the USA - just like Anwar al-Awlaki, Islamic terrorist extraordinaire, born in Las Cruces, NM, to Yemeni parents.

Your position suggests that, as long as a person is born in the US, regardless of the parents’ citizenship, they can be raised abroad to be an enemy of the US and reintroduced into our country in time to meet the 14-year residency requirement.

Raise your hand if that’s what you think the Founding Fathers intended when they used the phrase, “natural boern Citizen,” in Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution. Anyone...?

NBC = Born in the USA to parents who are both citizens at the time. (Sorry, Bobby Jindal and Macro Rubio.)


21 posted on 07/23/2012 12:46:25 PM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: mouell

As you can see, even by reading this very thread, that there are disagreements as to who is an NBC besides the hapless television network. There is only one agreement among the pursuers of this matter (which I don’t happen to share) that people with arguments like yours are just dirt!

That said, it seems clear to me that if Obumster wasn’t born in the U.S. of an adult mother he ain’t no NBC.


22 posted on 07/23/2012 12:53:51 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: mouell

A natural born citizen relies on nature and only nature to demonstrate citizenship. Born in the country of citizen parents. All other combinations need help from a law.

The laws of nature are not subject to the laws of Congress and Congress knows it. Look for them to do nothing.


23 posted on 07/23/2012 1:04:24 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: TexasVoter

CaLl for Freepers Reinforcements

Freepers need to show these Obots what the truth is.
They are lying and confusing people that are now inquiring about this.

http://www.amazon.com/Mike-Zullo-Aaron-Klein-Show/forum/Fx3O0GUS5OOQ7GV/TxEMZ0INM4DVHI/1/ref=cm_cd_fp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&asin=1936488299


24 posted on 07/23/2012 1:15:53 PM PDT by OUTKAST
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To: mouell
Let me explain. Both of my children were born in Greece - 82’ and 84’ respectively. I was working there for the American Embassy in Athens at the time for the Dept. of State. They were both born in a Greek Hospital, and we were living on the Greek economy. After they were born, we registered them with the Greek Government, then took all of the Greek paperwork to the embassy and obtained certificates titled ‘Birth of Americans citizens born abroad’. The children did not have to be ‘naturalized’ upon entry in the U.S. and had obtained their own U.S. passports, (even thought the pictures were of babies being held up. The reason we obtained their own passports was in the chance that we would have to evacuate a country - it was recommended that they each have their own passport rather than attaching to either parent). They were literally born natural Americans in Greece simply due to our citizen status. I do not believe that both parents have to be citizens, but just proof of one - in Obama’s case, it is his mother. If someone wants to explain, in practical terms, laws that state otherwize, I would be happy to hear them, but have believed that this is a line that has not merit from the get go. Natural born does not mean you have to actually be born on U.S. soil. John McCain was born in Panama while his father was in the navy and he was certified to be eligible. it simply means that you are an American at birth.

A "natural" citizen is one whom is born with no other nation's claim upon them.

Your children can be Claimed by the Greeks under the jus soli doctrine of law. Children born in the U.S. to U.S. Citizen parents, cannot be claimed by any other nation, and therefore they have no hint of divided loyalty.

That is the sum total purpose and intent of the "natural citizen" requirement. No divided loyalty.

25 posted on 07/23/2012 1:25:30 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: rolling_stone; mouell
wrong the statutory law in effect at time of Obamas supposed birth if it was out of the US required his mother (if married) to have 5 years residency after age 14 which she did not so both of his parents would have had to be US citizens for him to be a citizen at birth.

Natual born citizen is a requirement for President of the US and does not mean statutorily born a citizen at birth (until decided by the US Supreme Court which they are avoiding)

Another aspect of this of which you may not be aware is that prior to 1924, Women could not transfer citizenship at all. It was the "Cable Act" of 1922 that first permitted women the ability to transfer citizenship. Prior to that point in History, ONLY the father could transfer citizenship.

Why does this matter? How can you argue that someone is a "natural citizen" (A term used in the constitution written in 1784) when they are only a citizen through an act of congress passed a over a hundred years later?

As I have pointed out countless times, the meaning of constitutional terms cannot be re-defined by subsequent acts of congress. The meaning of the term "right to bear arms" will not change if congress defines the word "arms" to mean rubber band guns. Likewise, Congress cannot create natural citizens. They can only naturalize people into being citizens.

If a citizen is only a citizen because of a subsequent act of congress, then they are NOT a "natural citizen". They are an artificially created citizen with the exact legal status (for article II purposes) as that of any other "naturalized" citizen.

26 posted on 07/23/2012 1:36:17 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: norton
Can anyone here correct me when I opine that Rubio's parents' status at the time of his birth put him in approximately the same non-natural born citizen category as is lord Obama?

Yup, which is why I expect him to be the VP nominee.

The powers that be are laughing at us. They aren't even trying to hide anything anymore.

27 posted on 07/23/2012 2:00:24 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: mouell

what they said.........


28 posted on 07/23/2012 2:18:26 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: norton

I don’t think that is it. First of all, they are gutless wonders, and secondly, Marco Rubio was born in the U.S. There is some debate here on FR about the citizen status of parents at the time of birth, but I think most people outside of here believe that the birth requirement is that as long as you are born here in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen, and that includes members of Congress.


29 posted on 07/23/2012 5:48:47 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: murron

Members of Congress believe what Pelosi, Reid, Boehner, McConnell, etc., tell them to believe - otherwise their constituents get no government largesse, and when re-elect-time comes around, the DNC and RNC provide them no “campaign donations”.

The old guard will not give up their positions of power, and they will not tolerate any who don’t toe the proscribed line.

If that “line” means the ineligible Rubio is to be VP, Rubio will be the VP - and to hell with the Constitution.

Rubio is toeing the line nicely. He turned on the tea party, he’s weak on “immigration”. And did I read somewhere today that he’s among those ripping Michelle Bachmann for calling out Hums Abedin’s connections to the Muslim Brotherhood? [correct me if that’s wrong]. Such a good little RINO-in-training he is.


30 posted on 07/23/2012 8:17:26 PM PDT by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture, every photo))
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To: norton

No, because Obama has never proven that he was even BORN in this country. That piece of paper that he calls his BC doesn’t prove that at all. Rubio at least has one leg up on him on that score.


31 posted on 07/23/2012 8:44:39 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: murron

“I think most people outside of here believe that the birth requirement is that as long as you are born here in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen, and that includes members of Congress.”

That would include any child of any illegal alien, communist dictator, Mexican NarcoTerrorist, etc., who was born in the USA - just like Anwar al-Awlaki, Islamic terrorist extraordinaire, born in Las Cruces, NM, to Yemeni parents.

So — as long as a person is born in the US, regardless of the parents’ citizenship, they can be raised abroad as an enemy of the US and reintroduced into our country in time to meet the 14-year residency requirement for POTUS?

I’d like to see an explanation from anyone who thinks that is what the Framers of the Constitution intended when they used the phrase, “natural born Citizen.”


32 posted on 07/23/2012 8:50:22 PM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: TexasVoter

You make a great point. The progressive liberals have guided the general population through political correctness that anyone born here can run for president. The election commission should have put their foot down and made a big deal out of letting Roger Colero, a Nicaraguan National, get on presidential ballots in several states.


33 posted on 07/23/2012 9:21:50 PM PDT by Fred Garvin-MP
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To: TexasVoter

Yes, that is so. Rules are rules. The Constitution doesn’t say if you are a Natural Born Citizen except for this, this, or this reason, then you can be POTUS. I don’t like it, but that’s the way it is. As far as being raised abroad as an enemy combatant, it would be up to the voters to decide if that person should be president. We have enough conservative media today that can bring this to light to the voters. I would hope that this never happens, but there is nothing in the Constitution that stops this. This scenario that you mention could happen no matter what citizenship status that the parents have. Parents born in the U.S. could be anarchists and raise an anarchist child overseas as well as a non-U.S. set of parents.

We have enough Communists masquerading as Democrats today in this country that are NBCs that could be president at any time.


34 posted on 07/23/2012 11:29:49 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: murron
"Yes, that is so. Rules are rules. The Constitution doesn’t say if you are a Natural Born Citizen except for this, this, or this reason, then you can be POTUS."

We are so close to agreement, my dear proud mother of a Marine Vet. And thank you for your families' service to our country.

Please note this excerpt from the US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 ...

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
As you can see, the Constitution actually DOES provide for an exception to the NBC requirement. The "grandfather" clause exempts mere citizens who were alive at the time of Ratification because there were no NBC's yet; the country had only just been established. Most were born in a British Colony in the New World. They and their parents were bornBritish subjects and remained so until after The War of Independence.

Our primary point of disagreement is about whether any citizen is also a "natural born Citizen." This crucial national security provision of the Constitution recognizes "Persons," "Citizens," and "natural born Citizens."

Please help me understand?:

Why did the Framers make a distinction between "Citizen" and "natural born Citizen" if there is no such difference?

35 posted on 07/24/2012 8:41:17 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: TexasVoter

Because you can be a naturalized citizen, not being born here but becoming a citizen later in life. My friend who works for the Passport agency processing applications to check for citizenship tells me there are several ways to be a citizen and not be born here. My aunt by marriage was born in Guatemala and married my uncle in 1955. After they were married a few years, she became a citizen through the naturalization process. She would not be eligible to be president.


36 posted on 07/24/2012 10:18:53 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: murron

Sorry, ma’am, but - Did you answer my question?


37 posted on 07/24/2012 11:48:19 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: TexasVoter

I think I did. I don’t know how much more plainer I can explain it. You can be born in this country, therefore you are a NB citizen, and you can apply for citizenship if you weren’t born in this country, therefore becoming a “naturalized” citizen, which is different from Natural Born. What didn’t I answer?


38 posted on 07/24/2012 1:07:12 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: TexasVoter

I’m afraid you will never get an answer to your question. As the saying goes “There are none so blind as those who will not see.”


39 posted on 07/24/2012 2:15:37 PM PDT by knew it all the time
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