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The Alinsky-Bernardin-Obama Nexus Part 1 (sickening-Chicago Catholic orgs)
Barnhardt ^ | 7-23-12 | Ann Barnhardt

Posted on 07/23/2012 6:45:29 PM PDT by STARWISE

Over at the Blaze, they're running a headline piece on Phyllis Schlafly's new book, "No Higher Power."

Here's the link.

Schlafly has the entire paper trail showing the Archdiocese of Chicago paying for Obama to attend a seminar in California on Alinsky tactics and theory. Praise God, she even has the check stub with "THE CATHOLIC BISHOP OF CHICAGO" emblazoned across the top of the check. The images of that are at the link above.

If you haven't watched my video series below on the Vendee Genocide, please do.

For those of you who have, you will remember that I specifically called out the dead former Cardinal Archbishop of Chicago, Joseph Bernardin, and stated that he was not only a Marxist plant, but also an actual, real-life Satanist, who participated in satanic rituals, "black masses", orgies and child rape.

Guess who the Cardinal Archbishop of Chicago was in 1986 who sent and paid for Obama to attend the conference on Alinsky tactics and theory - the same Alinsky who proudly dedicated his seminal manifesto, "Rules For Radicals" to Lucifer himself?

Joseph Bernardin. Joseph Bernardin, the Marxist plant and satanist, sent Obama to Alinksy training in 1986.

Here is the very short story on what likely happened with Bernardin.

Bernardin was born Catholic in South Carolina in 1928. He had no remarkable zeal for the faith as a youngster, according to his own immediate family. Right after WWII, when the Communists really began their infiltration strategy of both the U.S. and the Catholic Church, Bernardin enrolled in the University of South Carolina pre-med program. All he had ever talked about as a kid was being a doctor.

Bernardin was homosexual, and likely entered into the gay underground scene in Columbia. There he was recruited by satanists. Remember, this is 1948. Satanists and Communists, who many times were BOTH, cultivated and trolled gay bars and the gay underground for recruits. Bernardin was promised power and as much deviant sex as he could ever want if he would enter seminary and be ordained a Catholic priest.

After his first year at USC, Bernardin went home and announced to his SHOCKED family that he was entering seminary. He was ordained in 1952 by Bishop John J. Russell, who was also fingered in depositions as the "celebrant" of satanic rituals.

Russell may have repented, as he offered to testify against Bernardin in a lawsuit brought by one of Bernardin's male seminarian rape victims, but conveniently died before he could testify in the early 1980s.

Bernardin was then speedily elevated up the ranks, being installed a bishop at the remarkably young age of 37. Shockingly, he was made the General Secretary of the Conference of Catholic Bishops (U.S.) in 1968 after being a bishop for only two years, and being only 40 years old. Guess what his job was? Implementing the Novus Ordo Mass, and we can now say with certainty, destroying the Tridentine Mass, and with it the Church itself.

Again, only a few years later in 1974, at the age of 46, Bernardin was elected the President of the Conference of Catholic Bishops (U.S., which is now called the USCCB). He held that post, either himself or through his hand-picked proxies, and pretty much controlled what went on in the U.S., most especially who was elevated to the office of bishop in the U.S. and who ran seminaries, until he died in 1996.

Bernardin, in addition to utterly destroying the Mass, railed against Pope Paul VI's encyclical Humanae Vitae, which explicitly and prophetically condemned all birth control and abortion as objective evil, and laid out the consequences of a contraceptive, abortive culture: skyrocketing adultery, skyrocketing divorce, skyrocketing objectification of women, skyrocketing sodomite perversions, the destruction of the institution of marriage, the destruction of the family as the center of society, economic collapse, and finally total civilizational collapse. Sound familiar???

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Alinsky-Bernadin-Obama Nexus Part 2

Posted by Ann Barnhardt - July 23, AD 2012 1:18 PM MST


Bernardin's satanic means of coercing Catholics to vote for his Marxist-Communist masters and allies was called the "Seamless Garment" argument.

He told people that it was their duty to vote for pro-abort politicians (read Democrats) because the fact that they wanted to give free s**t to people canceled out the fact that they also wanted to kill babies.

Because, you know, we have to view life as one big seamless garment, and take the good with the bad, or something. If the image of the serpent beguiling Eve in the Garden hasn't popped into your mind yet, now it has.

Since Bernardin was in charge of who got elevated and thus had control over the seminaries, orthodox, heterosexual Catholic men were either rejected or harassed/threatened into leaving.

Bernardin would frequently make "visits" to seminaries all over the U.S. Whenever he would appear, he would ALWAYS have a young male with him, whom everyone knew was his concubine. Bernardin would then cruise the seminarians for sex, and got quite a bit, since the majority of seminarians were homosexual per his policy.

Bernardin was made the Archbishop of Chicago in 1982. In 1986, Bernardin sent Barack Obama to California to attend a training seminar on Alinsky theory, tactics, and "community organizing", which we all know now is Marxist infiltration and agitation of the proletariat with the objective of crushing the middle class, collapsing the economy and government, and thus enabling a Marxist-Communist-Fascist hybrid revolution, ending with the total destruction of the Church and global totalitarian tyranny.

Continue @ LINK.

(FYI ~~ Ann Barnhardt is very outspoken, pulls no punches, has been known to curse when the occasion deserves it, and is a very religious, traditional Catholic.)

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To: stars & stripes forever

Yes, but I believe the “Seamless Garment’ term, as understood in political terms, originated with Bernadin back in the 70s.

21 posted on 07/23/2012 10:42:39 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: stars & stripes forever
It is embraced by anyone justifying a vote for an unrighteous candidate.

Quite the irony how this is applicable to today's presidential race.

22 posted on 07/23/2012 10:53:24 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: spunkets

23 posted on 07/23/2012 11:25:24 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: spunkets

24 posted on 07/23/2012 11:27:29 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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"If so, may God who knows and sees all forgive me for not being personally knowledgeable of the claims and naively passing on untruths. But in searching further, there certainly is an abundance of sickeningly distasteful and disturbing information...

It's pure filthy libelous gossip. You're like an old lady. Maybe you're just a transvestite and you can join Brian Ross on ABC and be the Mourning Defamation Club.

"Among Bernardin’s close friends was...

Maybe you can cover some of Jesus' close friends and prove He was a fag.

"Left unanswered was how Bernardin learned of the killing and why he should personally visit the scene of a relatively unimportant individual whom he had no reason to know."

He was his Music director and the CPD investigators who knew them both called him you idiot. This is nothing, but filthy maggot infested rubbish.

25 posted on 07/23/2012 11:28:28 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

You’re an old lady too. Grab your dress and you can be on the Brian Ross show with STARWISE on the ABC Mourning Defamation Show. Your frist show together can cover how Mother Theresa was a lesbo, because Bernardin wrote a book about her. You’re a disgrace.

26 posted on 07/23/2012 11:33:22 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

27 posted on 07/24/2012 12:05:05 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: spunkets

God be with you.

28 posted on 07/24/2012 12:26:34 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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I am surprised by nothing but the Satanic rituals part. The bishops have supported everything Obama has done. They support the health care bill, except for the abortion part, but they fully the support the rest. They support illegal aliens to the tune of giving them whatever they want.

The Catholic Church's leadership here in the U.S. is NOT what people think it is.

29 posted on 07/24/2012 5:27:13 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: spunkets
ChurchMilitant.TV: Gays in the Clergy 07-23

Gays in the Clergy

Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. I’m Michael Voris coming to you from St. Peter’s Square at the Vatican.

It’s a subject no one really wants to discuss in the open. Every now and then it emerges in an article or book .. but then gets the short shrift as clergymen pass over it as quickly as possible.

The subject? The powerful and influential homosexual sub-culture .. or should we say semi- sub culture.

Here in Rome .. it is no secret .. and if you get in to discussions with the right people who are well informed .. the homosexual mafia is not only a given .. but their power and influence are more far reaching than almost any Catholic in the pew would ever imagine.

These homosexual clergy and their allies have caused tremendous damage to the Church and it’s about time the issue was talked about plainly and openly.

We’ve touched on this topic every now and then .. from the so-called Gay Masses in St. Joseph’s Parish in Sydney’s Newtown neighborhood to the Gay Mass at St. Francis Xavier in the New York Archdiocese to London’s So-Ho District Gay Mass at The church is Our Lady of the Assumption and St Gregory. It doesn’t take a master’s degree or a Papal diploma to know these abominations are evil.

Can you imagine St. Augustine or St. Thomas or Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen giving their blessings to these?

But here’s the larger point. These are allowed to happen .. as well as many other things .. because of the pervasive presence of active and passive homosexuals among Catholic clergy .. many of them very high ranking who wield enormous amounts of influence. And here at the Vatican .. the question is being wondered about and whispered about .. how can this network be put out of business? The problem is that it appears to be so widespread and on every level .. that no one is sure how to tackle it.

While there are a few open homosexuals in the clergy .. some of them bishops like Rembert Weakland who ruled the archdiocese of Milwaukee like his own personal gay Club Med from 1977-2002 when he stepped down in disgrace after his former male “lover” blackmailed him for nearly half a million dollars. Weakland is just the tip of the iceberg however. The homosexual clergy sex abuse crisis which became public ten years ago has brought a number of homosexual clergy .. including bishops .. to the public eye.

It’s not the point of this Vortex episode to go back and re-visit each of those cases .. they are notorious and easily discoverable on the internet .. but rest assured .. there are many of them.

The point it to engage in the larger discussion of the power this network of gay priests and bishops wield and how they use that power not only to live a life of sexual immorality .. but to silence those who seek to expose their evil.

Moreover .. they have been complicit in willfully doing all they could to pervert the liturgy .. seminaries .. schools and every other institutional aspect of church life they could. They have viciously sought to destroy the faith by undermining it at every turn.

This has all tied into a much larger broad based agenda on the part of the homosexual movement in general to force society into accepting same-sex attraction and acting on those attractions as normal and even good.

The movement coalesced in the late 1960’s .. in what some have called The Evil 60’s for a variety of events that that occurred in that turbulent decade.

Militant homosexual activists began to organize socially and politically in the early and mid-70’s .. and it was then that they publicly said it was organized religion that would be their greatest obstacle.

So they first began subtle attacks on Protestant groups .. fighting to have homosexual acts viewed as not being sinful. They joined various denominations and became ministers and leaders and advanced the so-called gay-agenda. At the same time .. modernist Catholics were banging the drum for greater hand-holding with Protestant groups and this trend has continued non-stop since. With a bridge to a more “open and welcoming” style of theology .. Catholic homosexual clergy now had the opportunity to meet each other through already established social and political networks.

And meet they did. Up to this time .. homosexual Catholic priests had remained somewhat isolated from each other except for the occasional meetings. But with networking channels now available to them .. a sea change happened.

The Protestant Clergy Gay Network model was imported into the halls of Catholic clergy and shortly thereafter .. a whole network began developing .. oftentimes under the banner of social justice. One big organization was Call To Action .. which got its start in the Detroit Archdiocese in 1976.

While many consider it the first .. Call To Action would not be the last. Soon more blatant Catholic groups would begin emerging .. like Catholic Coalition for Gay Civil Rights .. Dignity .. New Way Ministry and others .. which openly protest Church teaching and call for change.

Attached to these mostly lay groups were numerous priests and diocesan staffs all across the country .. various priests who in fact would move up the ranks to become heads of seminaries .. monsignors .. and bishops. And what they shared in common was their homosexuality and their desire for the Church to accept their sin as a virtue.

So they spent decades kicking orthodox straight men out of seminaries .. persecuting priests who fought against them .. and insuring that they get as many homosexuals ordained as they possibly could.

As part of the larger plan to overthrow Church teaching .. they have struggled mightily and quite successfully to undermine ALL sexual morality teachings of the Church.

It was many of the loudest voices who opposed Humane Vitae .. Pope Paul’s 1968 condemnation of birth control .. and still oppose it .. who have also come out in favor of greater acceptance of homosexuality in general .. civil unions and even same sex marriage.

While this is somewhat of an overview of WENT wrong and how it happened .. the much more pressing concern is this .. how to eradicate this evil from the bosom of the Church. Here in Rome .. which admittedly moves very slowly with everything .. the fruits of the homosexual clergy culture in the Church .. a mass falling away from the faith .. is only now being realized in all its ugliness.

In many ways .. it’s very secretive .. and no doubt .. in not a few cases .. it is able to threaten to blackmail. But however it’s done .. there are those in the Vatican who say .. this network must be exposed and ended before any more souls are lost.

GOD Love you,

I’m Michael Voris

30 posted on 07/24/2012 8:35:35 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: spunkets
This is today's release from ChurchMilitantTV: Diabolical Disorientation 07-24

Please see the area in bold. There is a reason all this is coming out right now. Denial is pointless, and shooting the messenger is not virtuous.

Diabolical Disorientation

Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. I’m Michael Voris coming to you from St. Peter’s Square at the Vatican.

Following up on our report yesterday about the influx of gay positive males into the Catholic priesthood and episcopacy over the past 50 years or so .. there is more than ample evidence that this is the case.

For example .. in 1977.. Christian Brother Gabriel Moran was speaking before the annual conference of Christian Brothers and heavily intimated in his speech that religious communities were the ideal setting for homosexual relations. Then there are the widely publicized cases of priests openly challenging Church teaching on homosexuality and receiving absolutely no reprimand or discipline whatsoever.

For example .. The Jesuit Magazine AMERICA in 1978 .. made the incorrect claim .. "the application of Scriptural texts that condemn homosexuality is dubious at best".

Uh, no they are not dubious .. but they played into a gay party line coming from pro-gay Protestant Churchmen who contested that Sodom and Gomorra were not destroyed because of homosexuality and spread the falsehood that it was because they had not been hospitable to their guests.

Not a few Catholic priests were happy to use that line and say it far and wide in CATHOLIC circles and not a few bishops let them get away with it unscathed.

Then there is Dominican Father Donald Goergen who wrote a widely-circulated, pro-homosexual book entitled The Sexual Celibate.

Far from suffering penalties from the Vatican's Congregation for Religious, Goergen was actually REWARDED and elected Provincial of the Chicago Dominican Province, after the book was published.

Some of this is documented in the now out of print book .. The Homosexual Network. It was written by Fr. Enrique Rueda in 1982 who was in shock at what he was seeing all around him in the clergy .. bishops and well as priests.

Speaking of Chicago .. perhaps no single bishop had a greater hand in advancing the homosexual sub-culture in the United States during the past 50 years than Cardinal Joseph Bernardin.

Stories have circulated for years about how gay or gay friendly much of the Chicago clergy was or is .. and that Mundelein Seminary was a virtual training ground for gay clergy .. and it was not alone. One former student for the priesthood was quoted as saying it was not a seminary .. but a feminary .. enjoying a similar reputation as quite a few others .. including Rome’s North American College.

And with regard to Chicago .. get this. In the mid to late 80’s it was becoming apparent even in Rome .. that the homosexual movement within the Catholic clergy in the United States was strong and growing stronger.

One of the centers of that rebellion was a group called Dignity .. a group of dissident Catholics who claims its sole purpose it quote .. "to unite all gay Catholics, to develop leadership, and to be an instrument through which the gay Catholics may be heard by the Church and society." Dignity clearly states that its aim to "promote the cause of the gay Community”.

The Vatican eventually ordered the group out of all Catholic parishes .. something that many diocese in the US were very slow to do .. defying Rome and being disobedient.

In Chicago .. Cardinal Bernardin cleverly used an entirely different tactic. He complied with Rome’s orders. He refused Church recognition to Dignity. However, he created an office called AGLO (Archdiocese Gay and Lesbian Organization), practically identical to Dignity. That office is still operating today and one of its listed resources is Fr. Richard Sparks, a notorious dissenter from Church teaching.

And moreover .. several former Dignity officers ended up as members of AGLO. So what the Cardinal Archbishop of Chicago .. a prince of the Church .. did .. in effect .. was ended up protecting Dignity by giving it a new and apparently "respectable" identity.

It should be noted that Bernardin requested in his will that the Chicago Gay Men’s Chorus sing at his wake in Holy Name Cathedral .. which they did in fact do.

And one further note .. Bernardin exercised quite the influence in the naming of a good number of bishops in the US. Many are his protégés and were advanced for that very reason.

The list of these types of accounts could make a dozen books and hundreds of articles .. and as a matter of fact they have. There was even a website called St. Sebastian’s Angels which was a meeting place for dozens and dozens of homosexual clergy .. including at least one bishop. The site closed down after it was discovered and the bishop was relieved of his duties.

Its is of course horribly sad to talk about of any of this. But the larger point is this. Men like this .. who hide behind collars and under miters are responsible for the destruction of the faith of GOD knows how many people.

And it’s not just a question of active homosexuals in the clergy .. but those who are sympathetic to their cause because of existing friendships from days in seminary for example.

The homosexual agenda .. which is antithetical to Catholic thought and teaching has been promoted and advanced .. or at the very least .. ignored or given a wink and a nod by many many of the very people sworn and graced to protect the faith.

Is it any wonder that when it comes to clear and express preaching on Catholic sexual teaching .. so much of the clergy is simply silent. Even now .. in the face of Obama’s contraception mandate .. the issue has been twisted into one of religious liberty other than what it actually is .. which is an evil and unjust law because it promotes the intrinsically evil practice of contraception.

Could it be that so much of the clergy has fallen absolutely mute on sexual teaching because so much of the clergy disagrees with it and may actually be living a life contrary to it .. including a vast array of secretive homosexuals who are protected by a network of other homosexuals or those sympathetic to them in the hierarchy?

Given how SO MUCH has gone wrong in the Church in this area of sexual morality and still continues unabatedly .. why has there not been even ONE clear definitive statement from any bishops’ conference clearly stating what has gone wrong and reaffirming in no uncertain terms the Church’s teaching.

It was after all .. a cleanup effort from the Vatican itself in the wake of the homosexual priests sex abuse crisis .. that hopefully began something of a reform. Why was that effort not forthcoming from the US Bishops themselves .. who clearly MUST HAVE KNOWN what was going on and cannot be unaware of the homosexual network in their own ranks and among their own clergy and religious orders.

The sex abuse crisis did not drop out of the sky. It was homosexual in nature. It was homosexual priests preying on teenage boys. It was bishops .. some of whom with questionable associations with homosexual clergy and sympathetic to them who engaged in a massive cover up.

And even today .. it is still many bishops and their staffs that allow the so-called Gay Masses to continue right in their diocese and performed by their clergy. These priests are promoted .. given positions of authority .. sometimes in high Church circles and continue to undermine Church teaching with very alarming regularity.

And they continue to go unpunished .. undisciplined and unexplained. Here in Rome .. clergy will tell you quietly and privately that even they cannot say some of this publically for fear of retribution.

But the truth of this ongoing situation must be exposed.

Good and faithful Orthodox Catholics .. laity and clergy .. cannot continue to run into this buzzsaw of twisted theology and modernist clap trap promoted by a secretive homosexual militancy every time they want to advance the truths of the faith.

The same thing has always been true in the Church .. accept the teaching or leave .. but don’t work to undermine the faith for the advancement of your own diabolical and wicked ends.

Years after the miraculous vision of Our Lady at Fatima .. Sr. Lucy one of the three children who the Queen of Heaven appeared to said .. a diabolical disorientation .. her words .. would seize hold in the Church. Could this be what she was referring to?

GOD Love you,

I’m Michael Voris

31 posted on 07/24/2012 9:01:15 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: boxlunch

b -

This post might answer some of your questions.


32 posted on 07/24/2012 9:10:41 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Good and faithful Orthodox Catholics .. laity and clergy .. cannot continue ....

As I see it, there appears to be no mechanism of reform open to the laity.

The only option available to the laity is to rear up righteous sons. Then in 50 years ( maybe) these sons will be in the leadership positions to make reform possible. So?...Does that sound like a rational plan? A half century or more to see any meaningful change and even that is not guaranteed since exiting homosexuals promote and mentor other homosexuals.

Then if the Catholic leaves the corrupt church they are emotionally threatened ( in a cult-like manner) with eternal damnation. Wow! What a Catch 22.

Also, money is fungible, so there is no way to fully guarantee that donations to the Catholic Church are not going to promote more evil.

33 posted on 07/24/2012 9:25:18 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Michael Voris is one of God’s relentless and committed brave warriors, speaking/writing truth and revealing the false fronts and sickening charades. God bless him. We need his voice today very badly.

His bio

Love is not tolerance

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.

The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth.

It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.

The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body; but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.

Real love involves real hatred:

whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth.

Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”; it is not a species of sloppy sentiment.

Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God, which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

34 posted on 07/24/2012 9:53:38 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: wintertime
Then if the Catholic leaves...

There is NO WHERE else to go. If the Catholic Church is not the Church Christ founded, then NONE are, and Christ was a liar and a deceiver, because He would have failed to keep His promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church.

"52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 54 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.

59 These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.

60 Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it? 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you? 62 If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that would betray him. 65 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.

66 After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? 68 And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.

35 posted on 07/24/2012 10:13:30 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

So...the choice is to support evil or leave and go to hell.

Great choice.

36 posted on 07/24/2012 10:19:37 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime; Dr. Brian Kopp

Who said anything about supporting evil? Yes, the Church is infested, but so is everything else in this wicked world. The question is, “What is the Truth?” Was Jesus lying when He said that the gates of Hell shall never prevail against His Church? Notice, He said “prevail,” not “infiltrate.” There is a difference!

37 posted on 07/24/2012 11:24:19 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret

When time and money is given to an organization infested with evil, in which the common members have no means to reform it, that is supporting and enabling evil.

From your post it is evident that the evil extends thoroughout the leadership from the lowest rungs of the seminary clear to the Vaticant.

It appears that the only choices open to the lay member is to join with evil or go to hell. Great choice, there.

38 posted on 07/24/2012 11:36:45 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime

There is always a way to clean up the Church: PRAYER!! and Fasting and Sacrifice. Just because no one has devised a program to do it, does not mean that Jesus can’t. We who are faithful are being called to suffer, and it is not for us to ask why, any more than we should ask why Jesus had to suffer for us on the Cross.

Rather than being evil Herself, I believe that the Church, the Bride of Christ, has been raped. It can’t be undone, but it can be healed and Christ can heal the Church, just as He heals us. It will take a lot of time and a lot of prayer and a lot of suffering, but in the end, the Bride of Christ will be glorious and spotless once again.

39 posted on 07/24/2012 11:55:47 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: wintertime
So...the choice is to support evil or leave and go to hell.

Don't be ridiculous. I'm a faithful Catholic and I do not support evil. In fact, I oppose it with every fiber of my being, and was deeply involved in getting a number of homopederasts removed from my own diocese. For those efforts I was branded an "enemy of the diocese" by the previous bishop. But that's not a big deal in the big scheme of things, and I still believe with every fiber of my being that there is no where else to go.

40 posted on 07/24/2012 12:32:07 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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