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Does Hollywood Bear Any Blame For Violence?
The Christian Diarist ^ | July 26, 2012 | JP

Posted on 07/26/2012 8:21:25 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Peter Bogdanovich, the legendary director, has broken ranks with his Hollywood brethren. He may never eat lunch in that godless town again.

In a disarmingly-honest first-person jeremiad appearing in the August 3 issue of the Hollywood Reporter, the auteur known for such films as “The Last Picture Show,” “Paper Moon” and “Mask” indicts the motion picture industry for playing a role in last week’s massacre in Colorado.

“People go to a movie to have a good time,” said Bogdanovich, “and they get killed.”

“At first,” he noted, some of those watching the massacre unfold inside the theater, “thought it was a part of the movie. That’s very telling.”

The director lamented, “Violence on the screen has increased ten-fold. It’s almost pornographic… It’s all out of control. I can see where it could drive someone crazy.”

Bogdanovich wasn’t just ranting in the wake of tragedy. He was speaking truth.

Indeed, Ameirca’s youth are inured to violence through saturation exposure to violence-laden movies, like “The Dark Knight Rises,” as well as television shows and video games.

Before the average American child even finishes elementary school, he or she will view 100,000 acts of violence just on TV, including some 8,000 murders. And when they become old enough to go to the movies without their parental units, they’ll see even more ersatz violence.

Of course, most of Bogdanovich’s Hollywood brethren (and sistren) will strenuously object to suggestions that the violence and mayhem they are putting on the screen has any effect whatsoever on mass murderers like 24-year-old James Holmes.

But there is prima facie evidence of the influence Hollywood has on the hoi polloi.

All the way back in 1934, Columbia Pictures released “It Happened One Night,” a romantic comedy starring Clarke Gable and Claudia Colbert. In one memorable scene, Gable took of his shirt and revealed his bare chest.

In so doing, the actor inspired millions of American men to abandon their undershirts, temporarily devastating the nation’s T-shirt manufacturers.

More recently, there was the 1982 science fiction movie, “E.T.,” starring young Henry Thomas and a very young Drew Barrymore. In one noteworthy scene, the character played by Thomas lures an extraterrestrial out of hiding by dropping Reese’s pieces on the ground.

For months, Reese’s pieces were the most popular candy in America.

Warner Bros., the movie studio that released “Dark Knight Rises,” did not cause the bloodshed in Colorado last week. I still maintain that young man Holmes was operating under demonic influence.

But Warner’s certainly contributed.

In the previous installment of its Batman franchise, the most compelling character was not Batman, the good guy, but the Joker, who delighted in murder and mayhem.

That clearly was an inspiration to Holmes, who went so far before his real world killing spree as to dye his hair red in worshipful tribute to Warner’s evil-doing character.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Religion; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: coloradomassacre; hollywood; peterbogdanovich; violence
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Bogdanovich doesn't give himself a free pass. He noted that his very first film,“Targets,” released in 1968, ends with a sniper taking out teen-agers at a drive in movie theater. Though it was based on a true story, Bogdanovich says today, “It makes me sick that I made a movie about it.”
1 posted on 07/26/2012 8:21:31 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

THIS WAS AN OCCUPY MAN ...HE HAS NO VALUES SO HOW COULD HE BE INFLUENCED . EVEYONE THAT SEES A MURDER MOVIE DOESNT KILL


2 posted on 07/26/2012 8:26:09 AM PDT by dalebert
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THIS WAS AN OCCUPY MAN ...HE HAS NO VALUES SO HOW COULD HE BE INFLUENCED

I thought that was debunked as a NO 1-2 days after the shooting?

3 posted on 07/26/2012 8:30:06 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (Bigamy: Having at least one wife too many. Monogamy: Definitely having one wife too many.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Generally speaking, Hollywood has brutalized our society.

Somehow, these entertainment people think that gratuitously depicting violence and other shocking and outrageous conduct and events IS art.

THAT was never art.

People without talent think that excesses in depicting deviancy and shocking images will mask their lack of talent. Shock is meant to take the place of authenticity or originality.... for them THAT is art.

NOT!


4 posted on 07/26/2012 8:34:18 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Does Hollywood Bear Any Blame For Violence?

I think violent movies desensitize to a degree but I don't want censorship by a bureaucracy either...that would be a worse "cure'

5 posted on 07/26/2012 8:37:06 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (Bigamy: Having at least one wife too many. Monogamy: Definitely having one wife too many.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Hollywood lacks the moral and cultural wisdom to recognize the destruction they create in the real world. We need movie control. There are certain movies that people don’t need to see in theaters, or have in their homes. They are assault movies, and they need to be regulated. In addition, there should be a national registry of movie goers, one that can be reviewed by the FBI to see which movie goers, or owners, might frequent too many of the wrong kinds of movies. Laws and regulations have to be written to stop the bitter movie clingers.


6 posted on 07/26/2012 8:39:23 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SMARTY
People without talent think that excesses in depicting deviancy and shocking images will mask their lack of talent. Shock is meant to take the place of authenticity or originality.... for them THAT is art

I want movies to be realistic..good or bad..For instance, I like the current westerns with sweaty, grubby, defective, real to life characters.. Don't want to go back to the 1950's fake Westerns of cowboys in pressed pants and the women in perfect makeup and salon hair.

7 posted on 07/26/2012 8:43:00 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (Bigamy: Having at least one wife too many. Monogamy: Definitely having one wife too many.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I think they do, and also the computer gaming people. For the longest time, before there were so many good sports games, almost all of the earlier computer games involved shooting. A large portion of kids grew up blasting away with all sorts of weapons. I think a lot of it stuck in kids.


8 posted on 07/26/2012 8:44:55 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Guns don’t kill people, Movies don’t kill people


9 posted on 07/26/2012 8:45:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: pallis
Hollywood lacks the moral and cultural wisdom to recognize the destruction they create in the real world. We need movie control. There are certain movies that people don’t need to see in theaters, or have in their homes. They are assault movies, and they need to be regulated. In addition, there should be a national registry of movie goers, one that can be reviewed by the FBI to see which movie goers, or owners, might frequent too many of the wrong kinds of movies. Laws and regulations have to be written to stop the bitter movie clingers.

You started to get me scared after the second sentence...then I read the rest and no more worries..at least I hope you meant sarcasm...

10 posted on 07/26/2012 8:45:37 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (Bigamy: Having at least one wife too many. Monogamy: Definitely having one wife too many.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

The entire movie-tv-media culture has about destroyed traditional American culture

because we let too many foxes in our henhouse


11 posted on 07/26/2012 8:46:05 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Hollywood would correctly respond that the individual, and not the movies he watches, should be held to blame for the atrocity he commits. But, hypocritically, most of the Hollywood leftists would blame the gun and not the individual in any argument about gun control. And if the criminal were black, the leftist would blame racism and the oppressive white culture surrounding the individual, but neither the movies he watches nor the video games he plays should be held accountable. Having been in these conversations many times I’ve ceased trying to convince the thought-disordered liberal of anything.


12 posted on 07/26/2012 8:47:27 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: trailhkr1
"For instance, I like the current westerns with sweaty, grubby, defective, real to life characters." Unforgiven being a good example, although not considered current.
13 posted on 07/26/2012 8:52:45 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

No, it doesn’t.

James Holmes bears every last bit of responsibility.

Knock it off, stupid America.


14 posted on 07/26/2012 8:55:23 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

There’s a big big difference between buying candies and committing violent acts.

And I think the idea of people being inured to violence by the movies is silly. I was just discussing this while watching the season finale of Deadliest Catch with the wife Tuesday. I’m a fan of Dario Argento, I’ve seen some of the most violent movies ever committed to film, never a flinch. In the beginning of Tuesday’s DC a guy gets his finger caught in the wrong place and loses the first segment of one of his fingers, I squirmed for the whole scene. There’s a big gap between movie violence and real blood.

Meanwhile of course during the age of violent entertainment, from the first release of the video game Doom in 1993 to now, the violent crime rate has dropped by more than half.


15 posted on 07/26/2012 8:58:03 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Back in the early 70s, communications scholar Dr. George Gerbner, then head of the Annenberg School of Communications at the University of Pennsylvania,* wrote extensively about media violence. He warned that it would cause copycat violence and a coarsening of the culture. Over and over. He was ignored.

It stands to reason that if advertising on television and radio can influence people to buy products or even modify their lifestyles based on the content they see, that sex and violence in media can change the culture in the direction of increasingly gratuitous sex and escalating violence.

As early as 1964, Marshall McLuhan coined the famous phrase "the medium is the message" in writing about mass communications in Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man, a long treatise on the social effects of media, and how media changes culture not just according to its content, but by its very presence and capabilities. We see this today in people's toxic involvement with social media, dangerous self-disclosures and addictive gaming.

Hollywood has found that in seeking profits in international markets, media content with dialogue and subtle, culture-bound nuances do not make a lot of money with the prime media user group, young males. Violence and sex, however, need no explanation or subtitles; therefore they are cash producers for media producers.



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* The University of Pennsylvania is not to be confused with Penn State of recent notoriety. The University of Pennsylvania, nicknamed Penn or UPenn, is an Ivy League university located within the City of Philadelphia, and was founded in 1740 by Benjamin Franklin -- before there were "states."

16 posted on 07/26/2012 8:58:26 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: SMARTY

***Generally speaking, Hollywood has brutalized our society.***

I remember when the movie critics were agast at the “sadistic movie” DR NO back in 1963. It was still so safe you could drop off your kids to see it.

Then in 1968 Bobby Kennedy got shot. The MSM blamed violece on TV! Toy guns! comic books! TV shows! The NRA! Saturday night specials! Army surplus rifles and handguns!

TV shows dumbed down and became kiddie oriented shows. Comic books backed off the violence for a while. Toy guns disappeared from the shelves. Congress passed that travesty the 1968 gun control law. Movies from 1940-1968 were recut to remove any violence before being shown on TV.

But the movies? They said they would police themselves with a joke of a rating system.

Hot digidy! Censorship was gone! The screens began to drip blood and sex like you wouldn’t believe. Some new movies had scenes re-shot to make them more sexual or bloody. The most vile language came over the sound system. It has gotten worse.
“R” rated movies are aimed at pre-18 aged teens, knowing they will find a way to get in to the theater.

Now we got video games in which you can blast your way through a series of zombies or other attackers.

It will get worse.


17 posted on 07/26/2012 9:00:03 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Is a bear catholic?


18 posted on 07/26/2012 9:00:19 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Pssst

Down here,

down here

We have to keep this very quiet. Hollywood earns millions and millions of dollars from companies simply to have a product placed or used in a movie. While not a word is said, millions of viewers will buy something simply because the hero uses it. Or they’ll repeat a saying simply because the hero uses it. But when one of these kind of events occurs, just remember to say that movies have absolutely no effect on the viewers. But be careful around our advertisers, because we like the money, and everything people see in movies DOES influence them.


19 posted on 07/26/2012 9:01:35 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: trailhkr1
Well, that is where ‘art’ comes into the picture.

It CAN be done and done well without rubbing my face in excessive displays of deviant behavior, pervasive ugliness meant to depict ‘reality’, gratuitous gore and violence.

It would take actual filmcraft, originality and you'd call THAT art... succeeding without descending to smut and brutality!

20 posted on 07/26/2012 9:03:10 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I was shocked in the late 1970s or early 1980s when Hollywood discovered the ‘double tap’, I feared the massive street shootings of the era would start reflecting this visually cool, cold, ruthless, (and effective) practice, and it did.

At a time when Houston was getting between 500 and 700 murders a year, the double tap started showing up in street crime after street crime, Hollywood introduced finishing off the wounded, to urban incompetent, but brutal street criminals.


21 posted on 07/26/2012 9:03:25 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Portcall24
Unforgiven is my absolute favorite Western.

“It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.”
*****

“Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!”
“Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend”

**************

The bodies were not even cold yet before those with an axe to grind started grinding the axe over their dead bodies.

Guns. Movies. Culture. Whatever. Never let a crisis go to waste I guess.

I find it sickening.

Crazy people are crazy. And they were crazy long before movies and guns. When a crazy person takes it into their head that they want to kill a lot of people some fools who think laws and regulations are going to stop them are crazy.

22 posted on 07/26/2012 9:03:37 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: discostu

When we were kids, we would sing some of the most violent songs about blowing up the school, killing teachers, etc. One example:

To the tune of “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school
We have tortured all the teachers - we have broken all the rules
We went to the office and we hung the principal
Our truth is marching on!

Glory, glory, hallelujah
My teacher hit me with a ruler
I shot her in the head with a loaded .44
And she ain’t our teacher no more

And yet somehow we didn’t grow up to become psychotic murderers


23 posted on 07/26/2012 9:04:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: an amused spectator; weegee; Republicanprofessor; Sam Cree; Liz; woofie; Eric Blair 2084; ...

see post 16.


24 posted on 07/26/2012 9:07:57 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: dfwgator

We had one that got into the gruesome details of body decomposition. All I remember anymore is the worms eating your eyes, can’t even remember what we were filking. But yeah, we had some brutal stuff.


25 posted on 07/26/2012 9:17:29 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Bogdanovich is partly responsible for the murder of Dorothy Stratten.
He intervened in a relationship that was far from perfect but he should have stayed out of it. Then, he tried to blame Hugh Hefner and Playboy for it.
26 posted on 07/26/2012 9:18:08 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: equaviator

He is a freak...smarmy as hell in his interviews.

he was almost 30 years her senior and wanted some young tail...i mean who doesn’t?

but resisting those urges are what makes a man of character or not

he married Dorothy’s little sister right after that...what a piece of work

before all this he had an affair with Cybill Shepherd ..half his age.. that broke up his then marriage

he’s a Polanski and epitomizes whaty is wrong in Hollywood and the destructiveness it’s wrought upon our culture

his unabashed hypocrisy in chastizing that which he is guilty of himself is hubris...chutzpah...whatever

a turd

though i like Last Picture Show a bit as a kid


27 posted on 07/26/2012 9:36:11 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: Albion Wilde

CAN’T DISAGREE WITH YOUR POST.


28 posted on 07/26/2012 9:41:16 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Albion Wilde

CAN’T DISAGREE WITH YOUR POST. I PUT IN A LOT OF GAME TIME DUE TO BAD TV AND BEING HOME BOUND. I ALSO DO OTHER THINGS BUT BELIEVE TOO MUCH OF ANYTING IS NOT GOOD. SOME KIDS ARE GETTING 60 HOURS OF TV A WEEK. SAD


29 posted on 07/26/2012 9:43:06 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Roman gladiator arenas were pretty violent...pretty sure they didn’t have Hollywood back then.

Point being, human nature, at its basest form, is violent. Violent, ruthless, selfish, and given to incredible sin at a moments notice. All of human history plays out as one long violent movie.

We just get better at covering it up over the years - so when the mask drops it seems more uglier than ever. There’s nothing new under the sun, indeed - our nature hasn’t changed, we’ve just created new ways to showcase it.


30 posted on 07/26/2012 9:46:04 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (DERP!)
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To: Albion Wilde

Then it should be happening all the time, every day.

He was ignored because it’s a load of horse crap.

The person who bears 100% responsibility for the crimes committed is James Holmes.

That is all.


31 posted on 07/26/2012 9:48:36 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks for the information. I really love your footnote. Unfortunately it may be necessary to use it for many years to come.


32 posted on 07/26/2012 9:54:50 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: dfwgator
(FUJR (not you, Jim))

I don't get it. Living where you do, what do you have against the Ewings?

33 posted on 07/26/2012 10:00:54 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Government's solution to everything: Less freedom.)
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To: SMARTY

Hollywood promotes smoking as well - - it has for decades. Yet they are not called to accountability.


34 posted on 07/26/2012 10:13:07 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

If you could sell tickets for cinema #9 with the guarantee of safety, what would the public pay?


35 posted on 07/26/2012 10:17:00 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: tnlibertarian

Assuming you don’t know, the “JR” is John Roberts.


36 posted on 07/26/2012 10:29:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

I assumed that was the JR in question. I was just trying, (failing, but trying), to make a Dallas joke. I guess I should forget about my Jim Ross of WWE and Jerry Rice comments.


37 posted on 07/26/2012 10:44:54 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Government's solution to everything: Less freedom.)
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To: pallis; BufordP; Albion Wilde

Dare I say we should put a $2000 stamp tax and a Class 13 licensing requirement on the most violent films (machine-films, if you will)?


38 posted on 07/26/2012 7:42:39 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: chris37
Then it should be happening all the time, every day. He was ignored because it’s a load of horse crap. The person who bears 100% responsibility for the crimes committed is James Holmes. That is all.

You've never taken a statistics course, have you?

Here are a couple of phrases you might want to look up:
1. Critical mass
2. Tipping point.

39 posted on 07/27/2012 7:17:47 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Albion Wilde

1. Critical mass- James Holmes is responsible for the crimes he planned then committed.

2. Tipping point- James Holmes is responsible for the crimes he planned then commited.

Any questions?

Have a good day.


40 posted on 07/27/2012 9:09:19 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: gortklattu

>>If you could sell tickets for cinema #9 with the guarantee of safety, what would the public pay?<<

Whew...hard to say. Personally, I wouldn’t accept any institution’s “guarantee” of safety. I’d hate to see the security measures the public would have to endure in order for a company to make such a claim!


41 posted on 07/27/2012 9:26:47 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (DERP!)
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To: chris37

Gosh, what a good sport! You stay classy, hear?


42 posted on 07/27/2012 11:21:37 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Albion Wilde

Was there some risk that I was going to be less than classy?

No point in muddling simplicity and obvious truth with a bunch of college drivel.


43 posted on 07/27/2012 12:02:48 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
No point in muddling simplicity and obvious truth with a bunch of college drivel.

Be sure to tell that to your doctor next time you or a family member has a serious illness.

44 posted on 07/27/2012 1:24:56 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: chris37
No point in muddling simplicity and obvious truth with a bunch of college drivel.

Be sure to tell that to your doctor next time you or a family member has a serious illness.

45 posted on 07/27/2012 1:25:19 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

This issue has been being studied by psychologists and the scientific community for the last 60 years.

There is irrefutable proof that watching violence on the tube or screen increases the violence of the audience.

True, not for everyone that watches. But enough that violence on the screen can be considered a causative factor for violence in society.

I can dig out the Scientific American reprints of articles from the 1950’s if you don’t believe me...


46 posted on 07/27/2012 1:34:23 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Albion Wilde

Oh, subject change?

Well, you go on and discuss that with yourself then, I’m not interested.


47 posted on 07/27/2012 1:56:15 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
Oh, subject change?

Not in the least. You blinked, smarty pants.

48 posted on 07/27/2012 2:36:33 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Albion Wilde

No, I walked away.

They didn’t teach you reading comprehension before you got to Jackass 101, I see.


49 posted on 07/27/2012 2:40:29 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Running with his numbers...

300,000,000 people see a cumulative one-third to one trillion murders depicted per year.
One third to one half of those people have easy access to a gun.
For all that, there is about one mass shooting per year.
That pretty much eliminates any correlation.
That pretty much proves no causation.

In contrast, 93 people are killed each day with automobiles.
And nobody gives a damn.


50 posted on 07/27/2012 2:49:11 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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