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You built your business yourself? Tell it to the world, but get off the tax-payer's tit, first.
SelfAdoration.com ^ | July 26, 2012 | Greg Swann

Posted on 07/26/2012 9:21:14 AM PDT by Greg Swann

It's vampire versus vampire at the National Review. In response to President Obama's "you didn't build that" attack on individual initiative, a New Hampshire contractor insisted that he did so build his business. Except, as Think Progress reports, the guy is a rent-seeker. He built his business by the sweat of the tax-payer's brow in the form of government-subsidized loans, grants and contracts.

The Think Progress article is disgusting, and the comments are worse, but the National Review piece isn't much better:

This man pays taxes that support this government endeavor (and many others he does not benefit from),
That would be the logical fallacy Two Wrongs Make A Right.
and he is operating in a business environment in which all his competitors have access to government funds.
And that is the logical fallacy Tu Quoque.

This is me in Man Alive!:

The paths to error are infinite, but two landmarks I have learned to rely on, in listening to people trying to justify their evil actions, are the logical fallacies Tu Quoque and Two Wrongs Make A Right. Tu Quoque is Latin. It means, “You do it, too.” When you catch your teenager swiping a beer, the pre-fabricated rationale will surely be, “Well, you drink, why can’t I?!?” And you were probably very young when you first heard some little proto-brute justifying his vengeance by bellowing, “Well, he hit me first!” -- ergo, two wrongs make a right. You should probably be on your guard against any statement that starts with a “well” and ends with an exclamation point. That particular verbal construction seems to fit very comfortably in the mouths of liars and thugs. But when you hear those two logical fallacies being deployed in tandem, what you are hearing, almost certainly, is a cunningly-crafted rationalization of an abominable injustice.
This is the comment I left to the atrocious argument at National Review:
Taking money from the government in any form is welfare -- receiving stolen funds.

You can't avoid using government roads; the state is a coercive monopoly on roads and other so-called "public services."

You definitely can avoid taking money that has been stolen from innocent tax-payers.

When you take that money, no matter how you rationalize it, you are a moocher, a looter, a thug, a welfare slave.

This is obvious, no need to tap-dance around it.

That was a conversation stopper. I shouldn't complain, though. Very often, when I leave comments at conservative web sites, they never show up at all.

Are you bursting with the need to say, "Yeah, but..."? Let me do it for you:

"Yeah, but surely I'm entitled to get something back from my taxes." The word 'entitled' almost always denotes welfare-slavery, but it means nothing in a context where you do not have a legally-enforceable contract. Your money was stolen from you, yes. But once it was, it became part of a vast pool of stolen funds, and none of that money is yours. When you presume to claim some of it, you are making yourself complicit in the slavery of innocent people whose sole crime was working to provide for themselves and their loved ones.

"Yeah, but if I don't take that money, somebody else will." If so, the people who take it will have soiled themselves. What benefit to you self-adoration will you realize by soiling your self?

"Yeah, but just because I built my business with coerced 'investments,' that doesn't make me the bad guy!" Yes, it does. There is no way to tap-dance around theft.

In truth, most small-businesses don't take government money. The owners of those firms are the victims of the state's countless intrusions, and they persevere gamely while bearing unbearable parasitic burdens. They did build their businesses themselves, with no stolen funds or rent-seeking favors, and they have every right to be proud of themselves. But by giving rent-seekers cover -- by permitting tax-looting thugs to call themselves business-people -- they arm their own enemies.

Here is a sign I made for honest entrepreneurs:

I would love to see this posted prominently in every place of business in America. If you are not the crook, the leech, the moocher that the president of the United States says you are, tell it to the world -- starting with your customers.

And if you have taken tax money in the past? If you have campaigned for competition-killing laws? Go forth and sin no more. You were wrong, but now you know you were wrong. The past cannot be changed, but the future can. If you continue to try to live as a looter, you will know without doubt what you are -- and so will everyone else. When your neighbors and competitors finally get up the nerve to celebrate their own virtue, they will have no trouble at all expressing contempt for your vice.

And in the battle of vampire versus vampire, scrupulous honesty slays every demon.


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Taking money from the government in any form is welfare -- receiving stolen funds. You can't avoid using government roads; the state is a coercive monopoly on roads and other so-called "public services." You definitely can avoid taking money that has been stolen from innocent tax-payers. When you take that money, no matter how you rationalize it, you are a moocher, a looter, a thug, a welfare slave.
1 posted on 07/26/2012 9:21:21 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: Greg Swann

So at what point do our congressmen do their job and eliminate job killing regulations and taxes?


2 posted on 07/26/2012 9:24:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Greg Swann

There are NO government roads — there are only taxpayer funded roads, so feel free to use them at will. You paid for ‘em!


3 posted on 07/26/2012 9:31:19 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Greg Swann

So when government takes money away from the private sector to spend, the private sector should shut down.

Well, that would sure bring things to a head but I don’t think the socialists would be bothered, they’d just take over it all willingly.


4 posted on 07/26/2012 9:32:52 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Greg Swann
We used to bid government jobs (flooring Business) I saw the waste in the system and I told my family we either stop bidding them or I am out. Prevailing wages for untrained workers costing the taxpayer upwards of 30 Bucks an hour. Kickbacks and payoffs to Gub'ment money men and union goons. Overbilling by the GC that got the wink and a nod (and was rewarded with a nice fat roll of dough) by the Gub'ment job overseer.

It was sickening. It paid well but it felt wrong AND I was always worried that if the hammer came down it wouldn't be the Union Goons or the Gub'ment clowns to get hit. It would be us independents.

We quit over 10 years ago and you couldn't get me back in it at the point of a gun. Bastards everyone of them that engage in that crapola!

5 posted on 07/26/2012 9:33:56 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Greg Swann
Taking money from the government in any form is welfare -- receiving stolen funds. You can't avoid using government roads; the state is a coercive monopoly on roads and other so-called "public services." You definitely can avoid taking money that has been stolen from innocent tax-payers. When you take that money, no matter how you rationalize it, you are a moocher, a looter, a thug, a welfare slave.

Thank you. This is my view.

Avoid the government every way you can and your life will be cleaner and simpler even if it means you give up a dollar your accountant might have squeezed from a transaction.

6 posted on 07/26/2012 9:35:19 AM PDT by marron
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To: cripplecreek

> So at what point do our congressmen do their job and eliminate job killing regulations and taxes?

Do you expect the hogs feeding at the trough to raise any objections? When you do business only with people who don’t play patty-cake with the state — and when you make that stand known — then you’ll get some traction.


7 posted on 07/26/2012 9:35:55 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: Greg Swann

Two points:

“’Well, he hit me first!’ — ergo, two wrongs make a right.” If someone really did get hit first and they defended themselves, that’s not two wrongs. Surprised to see that kind of libthink in an otherwise decent article.

Also, accepting government contracts for proper government functions and getting paid for doing the agreed upon work is not mooching. Now, a huge aount of govt work is not proper (within the scope of legit government work), so this one isn’t as bad.


8 posted on 07/26/2012 9:37:55 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Greg Swann

Another reason to make Federal and State government as small as possible.


9 posted on 07/26/2012 9:38:05 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Greg Swann

You won’t get any argument from me.

Now I’ll start something...

Social security is the same. People say they were forced to pay in and now they want theirs. It doesn’t matter to them that their money was already spent. That they are enslaving those still working by ever increasing amounts to make good on promises those working people never made. And for those who say well the government shouldn’t have spent the money I ask what generation was it exactly that voted in the politicians that did spend it and continued electing them? People love “free” stuff...

Now I’ll go hide...


10 posted on 07/26/2012 9:40:40 AM PDT by DB
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To: Greg Swann

“When you take that money, no matter how you rationalize it, you are a moocher, a looter, a thug, a welfare slave.” And the sign says, “...contracts”.

Let me get this straight. So when a soldier, sailor, marine or airman signs a contract to defend this country with his life, he’s a looter, thug or welfare slave? If that’s the case you’re worse than that because your gaining the benefit of his patriotism and sacrifice by doing nothing. Unless defense of Nation (including you) is a “public service” from which you benefit by paying taxes.


11 posted on 07/26/2012 9:41:24 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: cripplecreek

If you’ve been paying attention, it is not our representatives writing and implementing laws and regulations.


12 posted on 07/26/2012 9:44:14 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: marron

I would like to point out that successful business do not TAKE money from the government. That government loan may have financed a new factory or expansion. More employees, more business, more TAX REVENUE to the many governments from the business profits AND the employee taxes.
Also the “TAKEN” money has been paid back and with interest, and the revenue still flows to the governmentS.
Solyndra (just one example) is the poster child for TAKEN money with NOT a dime returned.
Welfare money TAKEN from the government is truly taken, supplied from taxpayers and NEVER paid back.
I call it money USED, not money “taken”, because it is used and re-paid.


13 posted on 07/26/2012 9:47:53 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: Greg Swann

Those taxes and regulations put a good many people on welfare. What do you think they will do with your cunning plan of tossing them out in the street with no options? They’ll vote democrat.

Start eliminating the job killing regulators and you will create jobs. You just might be surprised at how many choose work over freebies. I saw it happen when John Engler became governor here in Michigan. The economy improved and welfare rolls shrank.

Plenty of fine FReepers have lost their jobs in recent years too. I guess they’re just lazy parasites. /s


14 posted on 07/26/2012 9:51:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

> I call it money USED, not money “taken”, because it is used and re-paid.

That’s what I’m going to call it when I borrow your car to go to Vegas this weekend.

Theft cannot ever be rationalized. When you make Marxist arguments, you serve Marxist ends.


15 posted on 07/26/2012 9:54:13 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: Doctor 2Brains

> There are NO government roads — there are only taxpayer funded roads, so feel free to use them at will.

I think you should put up “No Trespassing” signs on your share.

If some particular person does not own and defend real property, then no one owns it — which simply means that the mafia of superior firepower controls it. To make any other claim is false to obvious fact.


16 posted on 07/26/2012 10:00:29 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: Mad Dawgg

> We quit over 10 years ago and you couldn’t get me back in it at the point of a gun. Bastards everyone of them that engage in that crapola!

Good on ya. I think you would help your neighbors a lot by sharing your policy and your reasons for it with them.


17 posted on 07/26/2012 10:01:46 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: listenhillary
If you’ve been paying attention, it is not our representatives writing and implementing laws and regulations.

My congressman introduced H.R. 750 back in February of 2010. It would strip the EPA of regulatory power. Its been dead in the waters of the GOP held house with over 100 co sponsors ever since. It hasn't even gone to committee because the oh so sainted GOP leadership has decided that promises of future action make a better weapon to use against the voters. He's also behind cutting funding to OSHA, The department of education, the DOE, edowment for the arts and many more.
18 posted on 07/26/2012 10:02:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: listenhillary
“Another reason to make Federal and State government as small as possible.”

Yep. Cut taxes to starve the monster; and the monster will shrink.
No other way to do it. The monster always wants more, the monster wants to be fed more and more and screams when food is withheld.
A hoard of locusts will keep eating until everything is destroyed; the hoard keeps eating and multiplies.

19 posted on 07/26/2012 10:02:55 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: Greg Swann
Here's the part that's missing from this argument that thoroughly pisses me off. Even Rush Limbaugh misses it, and he's missing it again RIGHT NOW on his radio show. The fact is this: Businesses pay taxes. ALOT of taxes. We pay for the roads and bridges through IMPACT FEES every time we startup a business, every time we build something, every time we expand.

IMPACT FEES are TAXES levied against new businesses specifically when new factories, office buildings, etc.. are built. Those IMPACT FEES which are exhorbitant in nature, pay for road, sewer, electrical upgrades in the communities in which those businesses are established, and often pay for parks, school upgrades, and yes - government buildings.

I've done two busines start-ups, one a Consulting company, another an ISP. The Consulting company I paid excessive taxes of over 50% as a small business owner. At no time did the Government do as Obama likes to say and come along and "partner up" with me, or find ways to help me out.

Rather, at every opportunity, the Government stuck its hands in my pockets and stripped out as much money as they could through some new form of taxation or another. Fax taxes? Yep, we had to pay 'em. Telecommunications taxes? Paid 'em in the tens of thousands. Office lease taxes? Yep, paid 'em. Paid lease taxes on equipment we used to manage the business and paid tens of thousands in quarterly taxes to the State and Fed's based on projected earnings. If one of those payments was late, the State knocked on my door. When I over-paid, it took them 6 months to refund me.

And that was just the Consulting business, and I haven't even touched on the Unemployment Insurance taxes I had to pay in addition to salaries, health care benefits, employee expenses, yadda yadda yadda.

When I sold off my consulting practice in 1993 after 5 years in operation, I figured the damn' Government made more money off my efforts in all taxes, regulations, etc.. than I made for myself. With 8 employees who averaged making $50k/year (in those days, that was a very good salary) I made less than $100k/year for my efforts and I worked 12+ hours a day, often 7 days a week.

When I was an Internet Service Provider from 1995 - 1997, I had 22 employees, office space of about 3,000 SF (including my "data center") and again, not ONE TIME did the Government come along and ask how they could "help me." Again, they stuck their hands out at every opportunity to take more and more money from me. The taxes I paid as a small computer consulting company paled in comparison to what I paid as an ISP with a large dial-up business and web hosting service. I had to pay the village that I established my business in YEARLY IMPACT FEES which were calculated by the number of employees I had, to pay for roads, schools, police, fire, etc.. That was ON TOP of the Income and Small Business taxes I paid, taxes for employees, lease taxes, etc.. etc.. etc..

In two cases where I started up companies, the Government made more off of me than I made for MYSELF. The amount of taxation and regulation at that time was staggering, I can't imagine how much worse it is now.

I'm just so sick and f'ing tired of the "you didn't build that, someone else did" bullshit I could puke. We businesses PAY TAXES OUR OUR BACKSIDES at ever level - Federal, State, County and local municipality for the 'privilidge' of creating a business.

When I got out of the ISP business in 1997 it was the happiest day of my life. I no longer work for myself - too many damn' headaches and too many Government taxing bodies sticking their hands in my pockets. I've worked for someone else since (typically large corporations) and let THEM have the headaches.

I guess in my own way, I've "gone Galt." I've learned how to shelter my income, take advantage of every tax loophole I could find, and consume as little as possible. The day this piece of sh*t Obama got elected, I said I wasn't going to buy a single new item (save for food and clothes for the family) because I didn't want the economy to do well under his SOCIALIST / MARXIST economic policies. With rare exception, I've held to that.

The computer I'm on is 6 years old, thankfully it still does all I need. My cars are 5 and 10 years old respectively. When our dishwasher broke and it cost more to repair it than buy new, I started doing the dishes myself (my wife LOVES that!) rather than buy a new one. When something breaks in our home, if I can't fix it - we do without because we're NOT replacing it.

I'm just so outraged at this "You didn't build that, someone else did!" that I even signed up to help the Romney campaign and wrote a big fat check. Not that Romney's my favorite candidate - he was barely above Ron Paul (dead last) on my list. But I'm just so sick and f'ing tired of this ASSH*LE in the White House telling his supporters he's going to take from ME to give to THEM, so they can continue to live off the fruits of MY labors rather than get off their fat, lazy, druggie, government cheese eating asses and take care of themselves that I've had enough.

I swear to almighty God if Obama gets re-elected, I'm quitting my job, selling all I have, moving what's left of my on-shore money over-seas and moving to the lowest tax state I can find. I'll find a minimum wage job and become a burden to the system first, before this jerk in the White House gets another thin dime from me. F' him.

20 posted on 07/26/2012 10:03:04 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Greg Swann

You mistake was thinking the rabid Democrat Fascistic party hacks at “Think Progress” were making a factual, intellectually honest report. They aren’t.


21 posted on 07/26/2012 10:07:12 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: piytar

> If someone really did get hit first and they defended themselves, that’s not two wrongs.

You are conflating rhetoric with retaliation. When a bully says, “Well, he hit me first!” he is rationalizing his own evil, not seeking any sort of justice.

> Also, accepting government contracts for proper government functions and getting paid for doing the agreed upon work is not mooching.

It is receiving stolen funds. There is no getting around this. The state does not have any right to confiscate and redistribute the funds. Whatever you tell yourself about propriety is trumped by the fact that the money involved was stolen. An involuntary transaction is a crime, and “proper” cannot mean anything in the context of a crime.


22 posted on 07/26/2012 10:07:12 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: marron

> Avoid the government every way you can and your life will be cleaner and simpler even if it means you give up a dollar your accountant might have squeezed from a transaction.

My hat is off to you.


23 posted on 07/26/2012 10:07:12 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: CaptainAmiigaf; Greg Swann
I would like to point out that successful business do not TAKE money from the government. That government loan may have financed a new factory or expansion.

I could be wrong but government doesn't usually lend money. They sometimes guarantee a loan, but the loan is made by a private bank or consortium.

In the case of an FHA loan, the loan is guaranteed but normally the bank is going to come after your house before they try to pry the money back from the government.

Funny story. I had some property in a town that was up for redevelopment grants. I never took the money, what improvements I did, I paid for myself.

Years later I found out that the city management had taken grant money for they work I did, they claimed they did it and turned in for the redevelopment funds. There were some audits and a grand jury and it looked like for a while some of these guys would go to the pen, but in the end I think they went into quiet retirement.

24 posted on 07/26/2012 10:08:29 AM PDT by marron
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To: listenhillary

> Another reason to make Federal and State government as small as possible.

I vote for zero, but I will be happy to see any movement at all in your direction. Hell, I’d be happy to see the Titanic come to a stop before it hits an iceberg.


25 posted on 07/26/2012 10:08:39 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: DB

> Social security is the same. People say they were forced to pay in and now they want theirs. It doesn’t matter to them that their money was already spent. That they are enslaving those still working by ever increasing amounts to make good on promises those working people never made. And for those who say well the government shouldn’t have spent the money I ask what generation was it exactly that voted in the politicians that did spend it and continued electing them?

That was beautiful, right straight down the line.


26 posted on 07/26/2012 10:09:27 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: Greg Swann

So because he does work for the Government he is a “rent seeker”? That an utterly moronic, intellectually indefensible argument.


27 posted on 07/26/2012 10:10:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: listenhillary
“Another reason to make Federal and State government as small as possible.”

Yep. Cut taxes to starve the monster; and the monster will shrink.
No other way to do it. The monster always wants more, the monster wants to be fed more and more and screams when food is withheld.
A hoard of locusts will keep eating until everything is destroyed; the hoard keeps eating and multiplies.

28 posted on 07/26/2012 10:15:22 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: Greg Swann

“...what generation was it exactly that voted in the politicians that did spend it and continued electing them?”

Yup!

Taxpayers in the US have been stiffed for decades to fund programs which politicians promise and deliver to people who don’t want to work. (We’re NOT talking about necessary programs and benefits for the people who are actually disabled or otherwise unable to take care of themselves.)

I would say to these insatiable and corrupt politicians:

“If you want money for still more exorbitantly expensive, unworkable and unsuccessful ‘programs’, go talk to the people you hired to take my money from me for all these many years. If they don’t have it, then DON’T come back to me demanding MORE money … and calling me greedy and racist if I object!!!”


29 posted on 07/26/2012 10:16:03 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Portcall24

> So when a soldier, sailor, marine or airman signs a contract to defend this country with his life, he’s a looter, thug or welfare slave?

Most government jobs programs subsidize Democrats. The military is a government jobs program that exists to subsidize Republican voters — and U.S. corporations with overseas interests. How can we know this is so? Because the one function the state might proclaim as a “proper” function of the military — defending the nation’s borders — is the one mission the state won’t undertake.

Sorry to share the brutal truth. I know the military is a religion around here, and I genuinely like the many soldiers and veterans I know. But the U.S. military is a scam, just like the rest of the government. How could you ever expect it to be otherwise?


30 posted on 07/26/2012 10:16:27 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: cripplecreek

> What do you think they will do with your cunning plan of tossing them out in the street with no options?

I said nothing of the sort. I said that putative “business-people” should get off the tax-payer’s tit, if they want to brag about their independence.


31 posted on 07/26/2012 10:18:07 AM PDT by Greg Swann
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To: MNJohnnie
This is a true story

I sold some property to a wealthy lady who wanted to give the US Government a Post Office.

She got approval from the Post Office rent free for life and she paid to have it built.

She had 1 provision that if they ever moved the Post Office would be deeded to the Town.

She build it and paid for it but they won't move in until she takes the provision out if they ever move the Town would own the property.

Today the Post Office just lets the building sit.

32 posted on 07/26/2012 10:20:26 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: Greg Swann

I vote for the guys who wrote the following. They were much smarter than you:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,...”


33 posted on 07/26/2012 10:41:31 AM PDT by free me (Roberts killed America)
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To: Greg Swann

“You can’t avoid using government roads”

Those aren’t government roads. They are OUR roads for personal use and commercial use. The government builds NOTHING on its own. It can only build once it has taxed those businesses and personal incomes, including salaries, from those business to build those roads. Those roads are built by businesses. Period.


34 posted on 07/26/2012 10:42:42 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: usconservative
My friend, this is one of the most excellent rants I have ever read on FR, and is right to the point. Thanks for this post, seriously. I learned much from it.

I think part of the problem with the whole "didn't build that" issue is that, even taking Obama at what he meant, he is raising and beating to death a huge straw man argument. Of COURSE everyone knows that in some way, we all (well, most of us) contribute to society. No one ever made the opposite claim.

The fact is though, that not only have business creators contributed like everyone else, they have contributed FAR MORE than the rest. They owe NO MORE than what they already have given.

Thank you for your informative post. Your experience cements that idea in my mind. Again, thank you!

35 posted on 07/26/2012 10:43:19 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: Greg Swann

The State has the force to do as it pleases. They are called the police. If one resists [does not comply] with the State’s directive[s],one will have deadly force applied against them by the State. The State is compriesd by individuals put in power one way or the other by the citizens. When good people are put in positions of power, there is nothing to worry about. However in the last few elections, the citizens of the United States has said, via the voting process, that they preferred evil people ruling over them. It is being done.


36 posted on 07/26/2012 11:00:17 AM PDT by sport
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To: Greg Swann

I’m trying to follow the argument. On one hand private sector businesses provide jobs, increase economic activity and, since they are in that hated “rich” sector, they pay a disproportionate percentages of taxes. The author calls them leeches. On the other hand are the “takers” who squander a free education, collect WIC and AFDC to suport their illegitimate kids; go to casinos with EBT cards the other guys pay for; collect endless unemployment; live in subsidized housing or in their folks’ basement because their public policy degree was a waste of money but they are not leeches. Does anyone else see a flaw in the logic?


37 posted on 07/26/2012 11:16:25 AM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: Greg Swann

Resume of a Leech:
Dropped out of school - wasted $10k/ year of other peoples’ money; couldn’t get a job; fathered or got pregnant out of wedlock; gave birth through the ER and stuck sombody else with the bill; got WIC or AFDC that somebody else paid for; went to “Job Training” somebody else paid for on roads somebody else paid for while riding a bus somebody else paid for. Got a job through a government grant somebody else paid for but got fired for absenteeism. Then went on 99 weeks of unemployment somebody else paid for. Collects the EITC somebody else paid for; gets CHIP that somebody else pays for to cover kids; uses the EBT card sombody else pays for to buy beer, go to casinos and buy lottery tickets.


38 posted on 07/26/2012 11:26:55 AM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: Greg Swann

Resume of a Leech:
Dropped out of school - wasted $10k/ year of other peoples’ money; couldn’t get a job; fathered or got pregnant out of wedlock; gave birth through the ER and stuck sombody else with the bill; got WIC or AFDC that somebody else paid for; went to “Job Training” somebody else paid for on roads somebody else paid for while riding a bus somebody else paid for. Got a job through a government grant somebody else paid for but got fired for absenteeism. Then went on 99 weeks of unemployment somebody else paid for. Collects the EITC somebody else paid for; gets CHIP that somebody else pays for to cover kids; uses the EBT card sombody else pays for to buy beer, go to casinos and buy lottery tickets.


39 posted on 07/26/2012 11:28:30 AM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: Greg Swann

Resume of a Leech:
Dropped out of school - wasted $10k/ year of other peoples’ money; couldn’t get a job; fathered or got pregnant out of wedlock; gave birth through the ER and stuck sombody else with the bill; got WIC or AFDC that somebody else paid for; went to “Job Training” somebody else paid for on roads somebody else paid for while riding a bus somebody else paid for. Got a job through a government grant somebody else paid for but got fired for absenteeism. Then went on 99 weeks of unemployment somebody else paid for. Collects the EITC somebody else paid for; gets CHIP that somebody else pays for to cover kids; uses the EBT card sombody else pays for to buy beer, go to casinos and buy lottery tickets.


40 posted on 07/26/2012 11:28:29 AM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: Greg Swann

well, bye.


41 posted on 07/26/2012 11:29:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Greg Swann
When you take that money, no matter how you rationalize it, you are a moocher, a looter, a thug, a welfare slave.

In which case you are a mocher, a thug and a welfare slave since you accept the protection of your local police force and the US Military.

42 posted on 07/26/2012 11:31:47 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Greg Swann
But the U.S. military is a scam, just like the rest of the government. How could you ever expect it to be otherwise?

You sir are a scum-sucking, communist pinko bed-wetting slime ball. You have no clue and it shows.

43 posted on 07/26/2012 11:46:32 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Greg Swann; TheOldLady

(PING to TheOldLady)

44 posted on 07/26/2012 12:22:39 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Thats PRICELESS!!!!!


45 posted on 07/26/2012 12:31:52 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Feel free to steal for future use. I make ‘em to share. ;)


46 posted on 07/26/2012 12:35:29 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Greg Swann
"Good on ya. I think you would help your neighbors a lot by sharing your policy and your reasons for it with them."

At every opportunity the whole family regales anyone who will listen with the horror stories of eyewitness accounts of government waste in the building trades.

47 posted on 07/26/2012 12:53:06 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Greg Swann; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Jim Thompson; darkwing104; SunkenCiv; 50mm; ...

So long, Greg Swann (Posting History)
Hat Tip to KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle and Jim
Class of 1998 know-it-all troll runs afoul of The Man Himself and crunches up right nice



Well, bye



FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

48 posted on 07/26/2012 1:29:10 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Greg Swann

Hoo Boy. With this post #30, you’ve just called Jim Robinson a “moocher, a looter, a thug, a welfare slave.”

And I see (post #41) how he feels about that.

~snort~


49 posted on 07/26/2012 1:42:06 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Greg Swann

If I LEND you my car for the trip or RENT you my car for Vegas, you have either signed a rental lease and shaken hands and agreed to RETURN the car with a FULL gas tank.
THEFT (taking) is having no intention of ever returning the car and maybe even “forgetting” to tell me you are the one who has it.
When I took my “GI Loan”, the guarantee was by the VA, but the money came from a local bank. I took nothing and paid it monthly until “paid in full”. The bank made money, the town collected the taxes, the furniture stores made money, and everyone involved had nothing TAKEN from them.


50 posted on 07/26/2012 1:45:27 PM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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