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America Sucks At Math. Solution? Cut Out Algebra?!
wordpress.com ^ | July 30, 2012 | SimplePolitiks

Posted on 07/30/2012 10:56:30 PM PDT by grundle

Getting rid of algebra and beyond in our public schools is equivalent to an average American failing algebra because they just didn’t care. If we throw in the towel instead of emphasizing the fact that hard work and self-responsibility aren’t essential qualities in a person, what kind of example are we setting? Furthermore, how can we truly prepare students to go into the workforce if they think they can just drop out of something too difficult instead of putting in the hours and hours of work that is required?? It doesn’t make sense.

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KEYWORDS: algebra; education; math

1 posted on 07/30/2012 10:56:39 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

I’m surprised some Freepers don’t want to ban Algebra, since they think it’s, “Islamic.”


2 posted on 07/30/2012 10:59:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: grundle

You don’t need math when you have a cash register and say “would you like fries with that?”..


3 posted on 07/30/2012 11:05:43 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: grundle; All

Algebraic thinking should be introduced right after basic numbers. In first and second grade we learned 1 + 1 = 2, 3 + 3 = 6 and similar simple math. It wasn’t until 7th grade that Algebra was introduced with the idea of adding positive and negative numbers. It was really hard to get my brain around that idea and I was not a stupid person. If we had been introduced to ideas like 2 + (-3) = -1 (I think), it would have been much easier to learn more advanced Algebra at a later age.


4 posted on 07/30/2012 11:06:47 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: grundle

They already gutted geometry by throwing out the logical proofs and keeping recognition of shapes!


5 posted on 07/30/2012 11:10:39 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: nickcarraway

The Arabic derivation of the word raises an interesting point. In fact, the Arabs by no means practiced algebra as we know and love, or hate it. The word itself means “the reduction” and refers to a rote prescription for eliminating negative numbers from an equation ... the prototypical algebraic operation. Of course, there were other prescriptions, but these were all written out in words, so their “algebra” was a sort of catalog of these prescriptions, or “algorithms” ( which term derives from the name of an authority in these matters.)

So, give credit where credit is due, but these Arab practices were transmitted into Europe, and it is there that they flowered into Mathematics as we know it, and Physics and Facebook, and everything else.


6 posted on 07/30/2012 11:24:29 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Abolish all teachers’ unions. Employ experienced and retired non-unionized mathematicians and scientists and technicians to teach algebra and other math and science courses. Use real accountants and bookkeepers to teach business and accounting. Stop making education of our young the employer of last resort.


7 posted on 07/30/2012 11:39:37 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Beware. Obama has no intention to respect the results of the election.)
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To: dr_lew

The way algebra was taught in school made it impossible to understand; the math had no point to it, no context.

It wasn’t until I was drafting electrical designs and had to determine voltage drop across circuits that algebra finally made sense. I became so involved in mathematics I taught myslef trig.

Too many schools are removing the types of classes, such as wood and machine shop, that gave ‘context’ to math class. That is a very great shame.


8 posted on 07/30/2012 11:41:27 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Natural Born Citizen - born in the USA of citizen parents.)
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To: SatinDoll
Mathematics is abstract, and this is what's difficult about it. Examples and applications are fine, but ultimately you have to abstract, i.e "draw out", the mathematical principles from them, where they stand alone. As Alexander Pope wrote, "Hills peep o'er hills, and alps on alps rise".
9 posted on 07/31/2012 12:17:19 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: All

Here’s an example of Congressional math:

You have 700 billion dollars, and spend 900 billion. How many people could be provided for, from the remaining 1,600 billion, if we assume that each person needs 20,000 a month which adds up to 2 million a year?


10 posted on 07/31/2012 12:19:57 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (E pluribus biden)
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To: SatinDoll

ditto. As an ADD kid I struggled with algebra until I completed 8 hours of College Physics. After that Integral and Deferential Calculus wasn’t as difficult as I had anticipated.


11 posted on 07/31/2012 12:26:25 AM PDT by oyez ( .Apparently The U.S. CONSTITUTION has been reduced to the consistency of quicksand.)
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To: grundle

The Elitists want to keep ypu docile and stupid. Willing to accept their “solutions”, or in the absence of your acceptance, they will take your groveing acquiescence with delight.


12 posted on 07/31/2012 12:45:56 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: SatinDoll
Too many schools are removing the types of classes, such as wood and machine shop, that gave ‘context’ to math class. That is a very great shame.

As a machinist, I too taught myself to do trig. I now can solve any math problem the machine shop can throw at me. I never applied myself to any math ed in school because I just didn't see the context or much need of it at the time.

I struggled for a long time but finally overcame my lack of a good math education by cracking some books and using good old fashioned determination. If I never had the need of trig, I never would have bothered or cared about it one bit.

13 posted on 07/31/2012 12:56:30 AM PDT by Bullish (Liars aren't always thieves but thieves are ALWAYS liars)
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To: grundle; TigerLikesRooster

Maybe we can find out how the South Koreans do it??


14 posted on 07/31/2012 1:03:08 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: grundle

Algebra is a system of rules that once learned, enable a huge body of problem solving skills. The problem is, no one wants to learn the rules in a culture that only wants to steal from those who have.


15 posted on 07/31/2012 1:13:33 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Bullish

I can only add that I love trigonometry and its ne plus ultra, spherical trigonometry, and I pride myself in remembering the various formulas, even if I am due for a review!

“Truth is just truth, you can’t have opinions about truth.” - Peter Schickele


16 posted on 07/31/2012 1:14:21 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: grundle

Algebra teaches logic. We don’t need no stinking logic!


17 posted on 07/31/2012 1:17:23 AM PDT by donna ("...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way..." -Mitt Romney)
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To: the_Watchman

I was in High School in 1952 to 56 in a small town, Oklahoma school, and they began reducing math requirements when I was in 10th grade. They also began the process of destroying neighborhood schools through consolidation, a process not unlike the Feds consolidating power.


18 posted on 07/31/2012 1:45:57 AM PDT by itsahoot (Old people cost too much money. They make lots of typos too.)
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To: nickcarraway
I’m surprised some Freepers don’t want to ban Algebra, since they think it’s, “Islamic.”

The arabs stole it from the Indians.

19 posted on 07/31/2012 2:26:47 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: grundle

knowledge is power

this is why they’re doing everything they can to keep our kids in the dark

a capitalist society assumes you have the mental tools with which to compete. without them, it all seems ‘unfair’ (the chanted mantra of the occu-tards)


20 posted on 07/31/2012 3:07:57 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Peter ODonnell

“Here’s an example of Congressional math:...”

Exactly.


21 posted on 07/31/2012 3:18:18 AM PDT by KingLudd
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To: sten

Its quite fashionable to blast teachers, but I can tell you, that, in many cases, its the PARENTS who don’t want their children “pushed” or “pressured”. Its the wussification of America that’s partially responsible for killing education in the United States. As was mentioned, Algebra should be taught early, in the second grade. Add Latin to that as well. At age 7, your brain is like a sponge. Parents, stop making excuses. Your children can do the work.


22 posted on 07/31/2012 3:19:33 AM PDT by cumbo78
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To: nickcarraway
“I’m surprised some Freepers don’t want to ban Algebra, since they think it’s, “Islamic.”

I do not see the point of this post. Please elaborate.

23 posted on 07/31/2012 3:22:44 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: nickcarraway

Liberals must think they’ve “evolved” beyond a need to learn Algebra. They seem to believe that they’ve evolved beyond a lot of things including common sense and logic.


24 posted on 07/31/2012 3:31:26 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: equaviator

All they need is a smart phone with one button that plugs into their smart car.


25 posted on 07/31/2012 3:48:30 AM PDT by willyd
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To: SatinDoll
The way algebra was taught in school made it impossible to understand; the math had no point to it, no context.

I agree 100%
I learned almost nothing in my high school Math class. It didn’t help that the teacher would have been lost without her teachers guide. I had no problem with the math in Chemistry and Physics. Those classes were where I learned math.

26 posted on 07/31/2012 3:55:30 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: grundle

Kids can’t do algebra because they don’t know their addition and subtraction fact families or their multiplication tables!!!!!! All they do in the elementary grades is teach math concepts. No emphasis on solving problems. All that is considered “kill and drill”.


27 posted on 07/31/2012 4:02:59 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: grundle

“You didn’t solve that!”


28 posted on 07/31/2012 4:04:00 AM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: grundle

I think the reason we do so poorly in math is because not enough mothers are breast feeding their babies. At least that is what Mayor (Nanny) Bloomberg is saying. I think... :-))


29 posted on 07/31/2012 4:20:32 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: grundle; wintertime

When you have this kind of crap going on in the schools claiming to be arithmetic, it’s no wonder they don’t even want to try Algebra anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y29XL99qM6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr1qee-bTZI&feature=related

It just ASTOUNDS me that any parent would trust THE ENTIRE future of their kids to these menaces...but they do, I guess because they feel like they have some control over it? LOL.


30 posted on 07/31/2012 4:50:58 AM PDT by BobL ( It's easy to be a saint when you have nothing on the line)
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To: FrdmLvr

I think you’re right. Kids are given calculators far too early in the learning process and those eliminate the need to understand simple atithmetic. I taught basic algebra to adults in the Army and I always started out with a simple question that everyone could answer, such as “If a two-pack of batteries cost $1.00, how much does each one cost?.” They all said “$.50, they had learned to do simple mental math to the nearest quarter of a dollar” I would ask the same people “If a six-pack of beer costs $3.60, how much does one cost?” They couldn’t answer and didn’t even know how to find the answer if you gave them a calculator. I always had to teach basic arithmetic before I could even begin to ask those same questions in algebraic form such as “ If 2x=1, what is x?”


31 posted on 07/31/2012 5:10:01 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: grundle
Every day in every way the world is seeming more and more like John Joseph McGuire and H. Beam Piper's novel Null A-B-C
32 posted on 07/31/2012 5:20:38 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: cumbo78

“Its quite fashionable to blast teachers, but I can tell you, that, in many cases, its the PARENTS who don’t want their children “pushed” or “pressured”. Its the wussification of America that’s partially responsible for killing education in the United States. As was mentioned, Algebra should be taught early, in the second grade. Add Latin to that as well. At age 7, your brain is like a sponge. Parents, stop making excuses. Your children can do the work.”

They are more interested in competitive sports leagues than competitive math leagues. Someone who is good in math is also considered to be ‘not normal’ or ‘nerdy.’ People are worried they’ll be like a ‘Sheldon’ from the Big Bang Theory show. There’s an entire culture to deal with.


33 posted on 07/31/2012 5:23:36 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: grundle

Algebra teaches you to work hard and be responsible? Is algebra the only way to teach someone to work hard and be responsible? Is algebra the best way to teach someone to work hard and be responsible?


34 posted on 07/31/2012 6:28:06 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

What are the opportunity costs of forcing people to study algebra?


35 posted on 07/31/2012 6:29:22 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: BobL

That is utter madness. That “lattice method” may well work (in the sense of getting the correct product) but it completely obscures the reason for the placement of the numerals (1s, 10s, 100s etc place) and it introduces needless complication.


36 posted on 07/31/2012 6:38:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: grundle

When I was a kid (I’m 53) we took Algebra in 9th grade. Now they are teaching it to 8th graders. Why was this change made?


37 posted on 07/31/2012 7:01:11 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: willyd

38 posted on 07/31/2012 7:08:39 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“That is utter madness. That “lattice method” may well work (in the sense of getting the correct product) but it completely obscures the reason for the placement of the numerals (1s, 10s, 100s etc place) and it introduces needless complication.”

“utter madness”, the British term. I never liked that term because it implies that the people doing it are idiots that have no clue regarding what they do.

While I can’t claim to be an expert on Britain, I will say that our enemies are FAR from mad. They are BRILLIANT and, I think, smarter than us. They know EXACTLY what they’re doing and continue to succeed at it, regardless of who we elect or what we want.

Once in a while we try to call them out, and we get CLOBBERED. An example here in Texas is when our state school board tries to turn the clock back a few decades with regard to math and history teaching - to get math back to where kids learned it the right way, and get history back to where it was unbiased. You’d think that the school board members came right out Nazi Germany, given the media coverage - and many, many, conservatives thought that too.


39 posted on 07/31/2012 7:38:46 AM PDT by BobL ( It's easy to be a saint when you have nothing on the line)
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To: grundle

This is why:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math


40 posted on 07/31/2012 7:51:49 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: grundle

This is why:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math


41 posted on 07/31/2012 7:51:49 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: grundle

I love algebra. I didn’t when I was in high school, but when I was home-schooling my son, I had a great Algebra book that had the answers in the back, so I would try the equations first, then see if I was correct before teaching them to my son. I had so much fun working the problems because, to me, they were like puzzles. Changing the minuses to plusses and vice-versa, doing ratios, I just had a ball. Unfortunately, I couldn’t transfer my enthusiasm to my son. It may be an age thing.

But I see a use for Algebra in some occupations, such as engineering. It also teaches you to think and to use logic. It’s good for the brain.


42 posted on 07/31/2012 8:49:43 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: ari-freedom

“...in many cases, its the PARENTS who don’t want their children “pushed” or “pressured”.”...”

What does that have to do with whether a teacher fails a student for repeating the grade in order to make the grade?


43 posted on 07/31/2012 9:12:54 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: nickcarraway

You're all wrong! Algebra was the Little Rascals' pet mule.
44 posted on 07/31/2012 9:22:29 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: cumbo78

Agreed. These people are encouraging non-hackers.


45 posted on 07/31/2012 10:43:37 AM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: killermosquito

“..we took Algebra in 9th grade. Now they are teaching it to 8th graders.”

My daughter is taking Algebra 1 (Saxon) in 6th Grade.

https://www.basisschools.org


46 posted on 09/08/2012 3:05:15 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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