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Gay Advocate @ HuffPost Gay Voices asks if Kiss-in was a big fail, and what to do
Aug 6 2012 | SJ

Posted on 08/06/2012 10:50:09 AM PDT by scottjewell

I am aware that we can't post pieces from HuffPost but I did find it telling , and worthy of mention, that a major gay advocate (Michelangelo Signorile) from their Gay Voices is asking if the CFA gay protest failed, why, and what can be done now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelangelo-signorile/chick-fil-a-were-the-prot_b_1746382.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices

What is interesting to me is that he attributes their failure to lack of organization, which is not quite true. The events were organized well in advance and invites posted on Facebook and Twitter - the same tactic used by Huckabee for his Aug 1 CFA Appreciation Day, which we all know was hugely, massively succesful.

Says Singorile:

"How did we allow it to happen? Because there was no coordinated effort on our side. The controversy was largely driven by blogs, social media and very loosely organized grass-roots activists, with no coordinated leadership. The city mayors and politicians calling for banning Chick-fil-A gave an opportunity for the right to reframe the story. The mayors backed off quickly after many on the left decided it wasn't a good idea. That's what we progressives do: We debate and often rethink things, unlike what those on the right did during the controversy over the Islamic center, as James Peron noted. But though the politicians backed off, the damage was done. And there was no leadership on our side aggressively pulling the story back from the right's re-framing."

Denial and rationalization will only go so far to wave away this massive fail.

As one poster commented on the piece:

"Accepting and liking are two different things..."

"I can accept a lot of things I don't like... The problem with this whole issue is that you want people to LIKE gay marriage... You can't make people LIKE it... The fact of the matter is until you make a law that says people have to LIKE gay marriage than there is nothing that this CEO did that is in any way illegal or a "hate crime." You might as well forget a "like" law happening for any issue...."


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: chickfila; homosexualagenda; huffpo; kissday; miserablefailure

1 posted on 08/06/2012 10:50:16 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Their “real” problem is that they don’t understand the issue. They think that it is a gay rights issue. When reality hits, they will realize it’s a free speech issue and how petty and immature they were not to realize it sooner (or not).


2 posted on 08/06/2012 11:03:21 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: scottjewell

did anyone ‘protest’ ?

I (thankfully) did not see any news organizations running 24/7 cameras of gays playing tonsil hockey in a CFA

Did anyone do that?


3 posted on 08/06/2012 11:05:34 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: marstegreg

What some of them don’t understand or won’t admit is that the goal is criminalization of Christianity, not “rights” n


4 posted on 08/06/2012 11:09:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: scottjewell

Tolerance is just asking people to “put up” with something...

Acceptance is for someone to unconditionally accept something with no reservations...

When you force people to ACCEPT something, there will certainly be a backlash....


5 posted on 08/06/2012 11:09:53 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mr. K

I think the reason there was no filming is because basically none of their side wanted to engage in a kiss-in and no one showed up. Even they must have sensed how impotent and silly it was.

What wound up happening is that a few gay couples would stand outside near the CFA sign (near the road and well away from the restaurant), pose for a kiss, and upload the pic to Facebook. Not a protest or advance toward the opposition in any way, shape or form.


6 posted on 08/06/2012 11:10:48 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: marstegreg

I think it has now dawned on them that this was a protection of first amendment rights issue. But precisely therein lies the problem for them: They wanted their same sex marriage issue to be viewed as more important. And it really wasn’t, not even to their own allies.


7 posted on 08/06/2012 11:12:40 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell
"How did we allow it to happen?"

Because women's gymnastics was on. Because there was a sale at the mall. Because you all do these things half-ass. *rimshot*

8 posted on 08/06/2012 11:12:59 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: scottjewell

Tactically, they did not do something I was afraid they would do. What they should have done, which would have made things a lot uglier, was to call in their Democrat allies, such as the unions, as well as the fairly organized bunch that orchestrated the Occupy foolishness.

This was as much a Democrat party failure as it was a gay failure. That is, the Democrats are now putting the gay agenda into their party platform, so they really should have turned out in support of this harassment. That they failed to do so shows that homos are less important to them than other groups.

Previously, they have been quick to use SEIU thugs in support of other actions, so it was something of a surprise when they didn’t use them and others to support the homos.


9 posted on 08/06/2012 11:14:00 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: MrB

Re the criminalization (or at least the marginalization of Christianity) I think they were in error on 2 points:

1. They over-estimated their own allies’ support
2. The underestimated the solidarity and robustness of Christians and their supporters.


10 posted on 08/06/2012 11:14:45 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: StAnDeliver

pretty much, yeah...


11 posted on 08/06/2012 11:15:47 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Indeed, when both sides are fighting, they lose.
They’re tactics so far have been to make sure we don’t see the threat and don’t fight back.


12 posted on 08/06/2012 11:17:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: GraceG

Good point - and I think the gay advocates were terribly confused on this point. They did not understand that many of their own liberal allies are not all that accepting, just believing in tolerance.

They revealed themselves to be greedy and selfish. Even leaving out the CFA Appreciation Day, I think many of their own supporters were annoyed with them (a glance at some of the Facebook remarks from the later proves this).


13 posted on 08/06/2012 11:18:29 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Yes, good point.

However - and this really stunned me when I read the facebook posts - many of the Occupy crowd made it clear that they wanted nothing to do with the issue. How telling is that?


14 posted on 08/06/2012 11:20:09 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Hay Mikey! The protest was a big fail so it must have been lack of organization, huh? Why not ditch the communist ideology that a centralized body is required for success.

Putz can’t see that he argues against himself.


15 posted on 08/06/2012 11:20:56 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: MrB

And this is a sign that if we want to win, all we need do is fight. We have been complacent and they have been counting on this complacency to continue their push.


16 posted on 08/06/2012 11:21:38 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Bingo: That someone as intelligent as Signorile cannot seem to grasp this bespeaks major denial, on his own part, and the part of the movement.


17 posted on 08/06/2012 11:23:51 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

I am aware that we can’t post pieces from HuffPost but I did find it telling , and worthy of mention, that a major gay advocate (Michelangelo Signorile) from their Gay Voices is asking if the CFA gay protest failed, why, and what can be done now.

If he has to ask he is a dumbass and would not understand the answer.
It failed because 1% of the population will never overcome 85 percent of the population.
Nothing can be done. STFU and go away..........


19 posted on 08/06/2012 11:29:07 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: scottjewell
The last poster you quoted understands quite well.

"Accepting and liking are two different things..."

"I can accept a lot of things I don't like... The problem with this whole issue is that you want people to LIKE gay marriage... You can't make people LIKE it...

The fact of the matter is until you make a law that says people have to LIKE gay marriage than there is nothing that this CEO did that is in any way illegal or a "hate crime." You might as well forget a "like" law happening for any issue...."

20 posted on 08/06/2012 11:32:08 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: scottjewell

I posted a LOT of comments on that article, all still awaiting approval, of course...


21 posted on 08/06/2012 11:34:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: listenhillary

Right! And this was from someone who is NOT anti-gay marriage! Even their own supporters are fed up.


22 posted on 08/06/2012 11:34:29 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: cuban leaf

Let me know if/when they publish - would love to see them.


23 posted on 08/06/2012 11:35:52 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: IbJensen

In their wishful thinking, they see their position as mainstream. When reality rears its ugly head in the form of public voting, polls, or a CFA show of support; they are disoriented and cannot reconcile the results with their outcome predictions. Their bewilderment and confusion makes it that much funnier to me.


24 posted on 08/06/2012 11:39:13 AM PDT by Brownie63
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To: scottjewell

Will do.


25 posted on 08/06/2012 11:39:13 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: scottjewell
I don't follow the gay writers closely (I don't follow them at all) but I seem to remember that at some point Signorile was on record as being actually against gay marriage: too "heteronormative," i.e. it folds and clips glorious transgressive promiscuous gayness and stuffs it into the confining box of monogamous propriety, complete with the 30-year mortgage and baby-makes-three.

Maybe he's changed over the years. I don't know.

26 posted on 08/06/2012 11:40:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.)
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To: cuban leaf

Gays do not realize that they are nothing more than a pawn in Democrat victimization politics.

Note to gays, no one is going to take you seriously as long as people associate being gay with San Francisco freak show parades and your need to let everyone know what kind of sex you have.


27 posted on 08/06/2012 11:43:14 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, Signorile was originally very doubtful about gay marriage. But then he figured out that it might be the perfect Trojan horse:

“Michelangelo Signorile admits that is his strategy as a homosexual activist.

His goal isn’t to get government-backed same-sex marriage so he can adhere to marriage’s moral code like straights do. (He can already do that without the government getting involved. And remember, just about every other homosexual is like Signorile—96 percent of them do not get married when giver the chance.)

His goal is to destroy marriage itself. He urges his fellow homosexual activists:

“to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, demand the right to marry, not as a way of adhering to society’s moral codes, but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution.”

He goes on to write, “The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake… is to transform the notion of ‘family’ entirely.” [4]”

http://standingfast.tumblr.com/post/23940135233/but-none-of-those-involve-you-consenting-adults


28 posted on 08/06/2012 11:50:33 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

“Gay Voices is asking if the CFA gay protest failed, why, and what can be done now?”

1- Yes, it failed.
2- Cuz nobody wanted to watch your public vulgarity.
3- You can go back into the closet and quit insisting that the rest of the world endorse and promote your lifestyle, as we are under no obligation to make our children available to predators.


29 posted on 08/06/2012 11:54:34 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: MrB

What some of them don’t understand or won’t admit is that the goal is criminalization of Christianity, not “rights”

The silly oafs don’t realize they are bringing on their own demise. If Christianity falls, what will stop anyone from deciding that the LGBT community needs to be next. In their own stupidity they are destroying many of the freedoms that allow their own groups to exist.


30 posted on 08/06/2012 11:57:15 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: scottjewell

They wanted their same sex marriage issue to be viewed as more important. And it really wasn’t, not even to their own allies.

Not even to their own community. I heard several friends relay to me that there were gay folks in line at chick-fil-a because they saw it as a 1st ammendment issue.


31 posted on 08/06/2012 12:01:50 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: scottjewell
Gay Advocate @ HuffPost Gay Voices asks if Kiss-in was a big fail, and what to do

As Sherlock Holmes would say, this is a needle indicating an earthquake.

Note to totalitarian fags: Run.

Note to Constitutional homosexuals: When they run, trip them, load them into garbage cans, and roll them down a hill into a dump, where they belong.

32 posted on 08/06/2012 12:03:26 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Hard to believe this moment has actually arrived....


33 posted on 08/06/2012 12:12:12 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell
The basic problem the militant gays face in redefining homosexuality as normal and heterosexuality as deviant is that they are outnumbered 20 to 1.

Math cannot be defied, no matter how much hate you have.

34 posted on 08/06/2012 12:17:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the collectivists.)
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To: IbJensen

That is unnecessary on a site that has kids reading and posting on it. Maybe you are one of them.


35 posted on 08/06/2012 12:20:57 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: scottjewell

His strategy is working apparently.

“Large differences by race and Hispanic origin exist in the share of births to unmarried women, with non-Hispanic white women and Asian or Pacific Islander women being much less likely to have a —> nonmarital birth.

In 2010, 73 percent of all births to black non-Hispanic women, 66 percent of births of American Indian or Alaskan native women, and 53 percent of births to Hispanic women occurred outside of marriage, compared with 29 percent for white non-Hispanic women and 17 percent for Asian or Pacific Islander women.”

In 2010, more than four in ten births (41 percent) were to unmarried women. http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/?q=node/196


36 posted on 08/06/2012 12:23:14 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: scottjewell

,,,, what to do . . . .

K M A ,,,,,,


37 posted on 08/06/2012 12:23:57 PM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly - and I think this is beginnig to slowly dawn on them.


38 posted on 08/06/2012 12:33:50 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: listenhillary

No doubt he would like to see these numbers increase, if only to “transform an archaic institution”. To hell with the children, let’s just focus on freedom for adults...


39 posted on 08/06/2012 12:59:16 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Mike, you had the press and a not inconsiderable portion of the larger society on your side. And I guarantee that anybody who was exercised enough about this to want to go out and neck at a Chick-fil-A had access to when and where to go. There were just a lot more people who supported CFA, supported Dan Cathy, or at least the right to his opinion, wanted to give more than lip service to that, and incidentally thought a chicken sandwich, waffle fries and a peach shake sounded pretty darned tasty. And let’s be honest. The reason the left never really pulled the narrative back after Menino and Emanuel popped off is because they agree with what Menino and Emanuel originally wanted to do. Their only problem with what Tom and Rahm said is that Tom and Rahm were stupid enough to say it out loud.


40 posted on 08/06/2012 1:49:34 PM PDT by RichInOC (Chick-Fil-A tastes like hate. And hate tastes pretty good with waffle fries and a peach shake.)
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To: billhilly

Do you want to kids to think that homosexuals just hold hands?


41 posted on 08/06/2012 2:49:06 PM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: IbJensen

Maybe they should just hold hands before they have to grow up and face crude people like you.


43 posted on 08/06/2012 7:42:59 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: IbJensen

Maybe they should just hold hands before they have to grow up and face crude people like you.


44 posted on 08/06/2012 7:44:27 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: billhilly

Sorry your ox got gored.


45 posted on 08/07/2012 3:57:22 AM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: billhilly

Sorry your ox got gored.


46 posted on 08/07/2012 3:58:10 AM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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