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High-ranking Mexican drug cartel member makes explosive allegation: ‘Fast and Furious’ is not ...
The Blaze ^ | August 9, 2012 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 08/09/2012 9:09:10 AM PDT by EveningStar

A high-ranking Mexican drug cartel operative currently in U.S. custody is making startling allegations that the failed federal gun-walking operation known as “Fast and Furious” isn’t what you think it is.

It wasn’t about tracking guns, it was about supplying them — all part of an elaborate agreement between the U.S. government and Mexico’s powerful Sinaloa Cartel to take down rival cartels.

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; cartels; drugcartels; drugs; drugwar; fastandfurious; gunrunner; mexico; murdergate; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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High-ranking Mexican drug cartel member makes explosive allegation: ‘Fast and Furious’ is not what you think it is

1 posted on 08/09/2012 9:09:23 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Color me shocked.


2 posted on 08/09/2012 9:11:16 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1298 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: null and void

Fast and Furious IS what we think it is.


3 posted on 08/09/2012 9:12:22 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: EveningStar

They must have been donating to the Obama campaign


4 posted on 08/09/2012 9:12:46 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: massgopguy

Its exactly what we thought it was.


5 posted on 08/09/2012 9:13:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: EveningStar
The Sinaloa Cartel was allegedly permitted to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border from 2004 to 2009 — during both Fast and Furious and Bush-era gunrunning operations — as long as the intel kept coming.

Uh huh, see this all happened during the Bush years. Obama really had nothing to do with any of this. Why, a drug cartel kingpin himself says so!

6 posted on 08/09/2012 9:14:04 AM PDT by Obadiah (I am Oscar Mike)
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To: massgopguy
Yep. Arming anti-government forces in another country is an act of war.

Mexico would be well within its rights to recognize this fact and send infiltrators across our border...

7 posted on 08/09/2012 9:17:08 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1298 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: EveningStar; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

Gee. We needed a ‘cartel member to inform us what only a ‘cartel member’ knows? Really? I’m just stupefied by this revelation. Aren’t you?


8 posted on 08/09/2012 9:19:27 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: EveningStar

This Administration and the DOJ is about a crooked as they come. Where’s Congress? On vacation. We need a total change in our government.


9 posted on 08/09/2012 9:20:50 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU)
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To: EveningStar
Yo soy surprendio.
Surprendio! Yo decir usted.
10 posted on 08/09/2012 9:20:51 AM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: EveningStar; LucyT; thouworm; MestaMachine; bcsco

Suh-priiize! Suh-priiize! Npw tonnect the money laudering/ produce buying of certain drug cartels to the Rats/thugs.


11 posted on 08/09/2012 9:23:00 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: EveningStar
Zambada-Niebla claims that under a “divide and conquer” strategy, the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa Cartel through Operation Fast and Furious in exchange for information that allowed the DEA, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and other federal agencies to take down rival drug cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel was allegedly permitted to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border from 2004 to 2009 — during both Fast and Furious and Bush-era gunrunning operations — as long as the intel kept coming.

This pending court case against Zambada-Niebla is being closely monitored by some members of Congress, who expect potential legal ramifications if any of his claims are substantiated. The trial was delayed but is now scheduled to begin on Oct. 9.

Zambada-Niebla is reportedly a close associate of Sinaloa Cartel kingpin Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman and the son of Ismael “Mayo” Zambada-Garcia, both of which remain fugitives, likely because of the deal made with the DEA, federal court documents allege.

Hummmmmmmmm........

12 posted on 08/09/2012 9:23:10 AM PDT by yoe (Vote for your Country, not a political party.)
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To: null and void

Mexico would be well within its rights to recognize this fact and send infiltrators across our border...
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At least 20 millions so far.


13 posted on 08/09/2012 9:23:10 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: MestaMachine

Got any ideas about what Issa etc are up to? There is so much going on I feel as though I can’t know anything about everything, or something like that....


14 posted on 08/09/2012 9:23:14 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: EveningStar

It IS what I thought it was: A CAMPAIGN MONEY LAUNDERING SCAM............


15 posted on 08/09/2012 9:23:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Obadiah

I read there was a program like “Fast and Furious” during Bush Admin. but it was short-lived.

Was a type of “Fast and Furious” all over the Bush Admin?


16 posted on 08/09/2012 9:24:57 AM PDT by hummingbird (Breitbart and Spartacus: here, there, everywhere. Join them. Join us.)
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To: Red Badger

BTT!


17 posted on 08/09/2012 9:25:47 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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18 posted on 08/09/2012 9:26:28 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: EveningStar

I’ve read these charges before, presented as simple assumptions quite a while ago.


19 posted on 08/09/2012 9:27:14 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: EveningStar

Clearly, it works as both.


20 posted on 08/09/2012 9:27:20 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: EveningStar
So just how many Mexicans has Obama killed?

Does he even care?

21 posted on 08/09/2012 9:27:35 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: cripplecreek

The Justice Department says different. So who ya gonna believe, a vicious, corrupt, murdering international criminal...or this Mexican guy?


22 posted on 08/09/2012 9:30:34 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Can u REALLY believe this criminal? Maybe the Rats can say the same thing and the GOP will benefit(racists).


23 posted on 08/09/2012 9:30:53 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: RC2

I have my reservations about the bush administration as well. Do the name johnny sutton ring a bell?


24 posted on 08/09/2012 9:30:57 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: yoe

Perhaps it was/is believed that a single Cartel in charge in Mexico would be handled more easily than the plethora of organizations there now. Perhaps it was not understood that a cartel that strong could sweep away the Mexican government and take total charge of the country very easily but that lack of understanding is not likely. What is the American goal in Mexico? Destruction of the state? to what end?


25 posted on 08/09/2012 9:31:35 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: EveningStar

The ATF has been FUBAR since 1968.

No Republican has the balls to abolish it or break it up.

Both parties use the ATF to push policy....some policy which is political in nature.

and folks wonder how totalitarians get started.


26 posted on 08/09/2012 9:35:19 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: EveningStar
This is what is was about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyqBxD-3xw

"Change the way people think about guns.. brainwash them."

27 posted on 08/09/2012 9:36:33 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: EveningStar
I don't buy this for a second.

First, there are much easier ways to do this.

Second, the weapons involved were neither numerous enough or advanced enough to provide anyone an edge.

28 posted on 08/09/2012 9:37:35 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: EveningStar

If you only read the first 2 or 3 paragraphs you’ll think that it’s Bush’s fault.

Mis-information through lies, via criminal.

That’s all this is.


29 posted on 08/09/2012 9:38:27 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: arthurus

From the golden triangle, to soldiers in Afghanistan, to Mena airport in Arkansas in the 80s, our government has a long history of happily allowing drug production/smuggling in exchange for military and CIA goals.

Combine that with the billions knowingly laundered by mainstream banks, and the fact that you don’t exactly see anyone moving to close the border with a nation involved in a narco civil war and yes, it’s pretty obvious that our intelligence agencies and government are cutting deals with some cartels.


30 posted on 08/09/2012 9:42:27 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep. Ain’t it great the mafia has taken over the Republic?


31 posted on 08/09/2012 9:43:28 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: EveningStar

The ATF has been FUBAR since 1968.

No Republican has the balls to abolish it or break it up.

Both parties use the ATF to push policy....some policy which is political in nature.

and folks wonder how totalitarians get started.


32 posted on 08/09/2012 9:44:07 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: arthurus

Right now our soldiers in Afghanistan are forbidden from damaging poppy crops. They must walk right by the fields, right out in the open like wheat in Kansas, knowing what it is and where it’s headed.

Thats our government policy and tells you all you need to know.


33 posted on 08/09/2012 9:47:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: null and void

Who else is in favor of renaming the Sinaloa cartel the Obama-Holder Cartel?


34 posted on 08/09/2012 9:49:02 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: wardaddy

Yup.


35 posted on 08/09/2012 9:53:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: EveningStar

Not so explosive. I suggested the same thing on FR more than once.

Like Whitey Bulger using the FBI to whack rivals, 0bama’s regime aided certain cartels. What was the price? Money, blow, girls, boys?


36 posted on 08/09/2012 9:54:13 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: EveningStar

Ulsterman Insider revealed another shoe to drop coming against Holder & Justice. This has to be it. The regime has to ne in a state of high panic with this revelation beginning to get out.

Great post, ES!


37 posted on 08/09/2012 9:56:25 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: hummingbird

As much as I was disappointed and disgusted with Bush II in his 2nd term, I do not believe Bush II would ever authorize arming and financing Mexican drug cartels to take down other cartels.

I do believe the Left would support such actions in an effort to topple the capitalists in Mexico. A communist controlled Mexico would be a prize to the Left.


38 posted on 08/09/2012 10:01:22 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: DesertRhino
Right now our soldiers in Afghanistan are forbidden from damaging poppy crops. They must walk right by the fields, right out in the open like wheat in Kansas, knowing what it is and where it’s headed.

That's just fine by me. No more War on Drugs where they're grown. No more War on Drugs on the border. No more War on Drugs on the streets, or in people's homes.

How long would it take for drug lords to settle down into to some sort of civilized place? Decades? A couple centuries? Bootleggers did it. Vikings became Normans, who became French and English nobility.

Fifty years of this corrupting War on Drugs - it's not working out too well.

39 posted on 08/09/2012 10:02:30 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: massgopguy
That's just crazy talk ~ 'ceptin' when it isn't.

I think that's always been the dominant Conservative belief about the activity ~ but the Mittbots wouldn't go along with it ~ wouldn't be prudent I guess.

40 posted on 08/09/2012 10:02:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: hummingbird

During Bush, the Mex govt was actually involved with it, unlike F&F, and there was actually a way to track the guns, again unlike with F&F.


41 posted on 08/09/2012 10:05:06 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Hostage

Somebody ping me when the impeachment hearings or Holder’s trial begins.


42 posted on 08/09/2012 10:05:24 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: EveningStar

I think Heisenberg is behind this...


43 posted on 08/09/2012 10:09:04 AM PDT by machman
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To: Billthedrill

Yeah, I see your point. Tough call, really.


44 posted on 08/09/2012 10:10:32 AM PDT by Obadiah (I am Oscar Mike)
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To: EveningStar
The US government has been involved in getting drugs into this country for decades. Remember Bo Gritz?? Read Bo's letter to then VP George H. Bush about his discovering the US gov's involvement of drug smuggling out of the golden triangle.

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/gritz1.htm

45 posted on 08/09/2012 10:11:24 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Billthedrill
So who ya gonna believe, a vicious, corrupt, murdering international criminal...or this Mexican guy?

Neither. With all the hype from Mordor over American guns being run into Mexico, and the need for more gun control in the US, it was clearly an attempt to undermine the 2nd Amendment.

46 posted on 08/09/2012 10:13:04 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: hummingbird

“Was a type of “Fast and Furious” all over the Bush Admin?”

Somewhat, but not really close.

The Bush operation was named, “Wide Receiver.” The idea was to provide straw buyers with guns that had implanted tracking devices and trace the weapons into Mexico to their ultimate buyers. Agents followed the guns after they were sold and U.S. authorities coordinated with Mexican officials. The operation failed when some of the tracking devices failed, aircraft used to follow the traffickers ran out of fuel and didn’t have backup, and some of the tracking devices were found by the traffickers. All of these foul ups allowed some of the guns to get across the border. Hence, the Bush administration terminated Wide Receiver about two years before Obama implemented Fast and Furious.

Fast and Furious differed profoundly from Wide Receiver in that: 1) no tracking devices were installed in the guns that were walked; 2) NO effort was made to track the straw purchasers after they picked up the guns; and 3) the Regime made NO effort either to inform or coordinate with the Mexican authorities. IOW Wide Receiver was a fouled up good faith effort to run down gun trafficking conspirators while Fast and Furious was simply an operation to send guns across the border to be used in crimes and use those crimes to support attacks on the Second Amendment.


47 posted on 08/09/2012 10:22:55 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Obadiah; EveningStar
a spokesman for the Chihuahua state government in northern Mexico who said U.S. agencies ”don’t fight drug traffickers,“ instead ”they try to manage the drug trade.

No doubt about it IMO. All the way back to Bush.

Kind of explains how all these politicians running the show, retire as multi-millionaires.

48 posted on 08/09/2012 10:25:07 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: libstripper; hummingbird
Bush was an idiot and likely part of this plan...Hundreds of weapons were lost in Bush's reckless scheme. Of course many believe this was probably a pay off/cooperation with one or more of the cartels.

The Bush boys even shared intel with the corrupt in the Mexican government, knowing damn well many of whom had direct ties to the cartels.

49 posted on 08/09/2012 10:32:14 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: EveningStar

I see Bush did it so its ok that Obama did it?
Not that what the Bush Admin was the same thing. Someone correct me if I am wrong but that was a real gun tracking opperation?
Whereas F&F , under Obamahood and his merry man Eric the Holder, had no intention of tracking the guns.


50 posted on 08/09/2012 10:41:07 AM PDT by Leep
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