Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Atheist Tolerance Revealed
The Moderate Separatist ^ | August 9, 2012 | Leigh Patrick Sullivan

Posted on 08/09/2012 10:03:00 AM PDT by Leigh Patrick Sullivan

It began innocently enough: a little unscientific sociological experiment born out of a coffee chat with a friend. How are Christians viewed in today’s ‘modern’ society?

The question was stored in the back of my mind for quite a while, waiting for the right moment to be revealed. Social media presented the opportunity to get the ball rolling, and roll it did.

A Twitter re-tweet from an atheist telling a person of faith “…your God isn’t real.” The arrogance of the statement was obvious. A mortal human believed she possessed the knowledge to single-handedly discount the possibility of a ‘higher power’. What struck me more was the sheer hypocrisy of the statement, made (unsurprisingly) from someone who identified with the progressive Left.

My simple interjection pointed out the intolerance. Telling someone that their entire belief system was fraudulent, followed by imbecilic judgmental rhetoric. Here we go, I thought.

I decided to engage with a strategy of restraint. I identified as someone who believes Jesus is who He said He was, but I made the point not to do the expected. I never quoted scripture, didn’t attempt to ‘witness’ to anyone. In fact, perhaps to the chagrin of fellow Christians, I stayed true to my meme of ‘live and let live’. If you don’t believe, cool, if you do, great. I wasn’t there to ‘save’ anyone.

That didn’t seem to matter in the 14 or so atheists who quickly swarmed. As I expected, responses ranged from the ultra-juvenile to the shamefully stereotypical. Also as expected, the questions, allegations, and other statements thrown my way somehow suggested that I should be defending my beliefs.

I’ve never felt compelled to explain or ‘defend’ my personal beliefs to anyone, religious or otherwise. This perplexed my audience to the point of frustration. The name-calling and categorizing began swiftly, as the atheist mob mistook my confidence in my beliefs as ‘arrogance’. Some pulled out ancient nuggets of information in the quest to discredit Christianity while others resorted to playing the ‘let’s see if we can piss off the Bible-thumper’ game (I much prefer ‘Jesus freak’ myself).

Still, I didn’t bite. My retorts stayed consistent: you don’t believe what I believe? That’s nice. To each their own. You walk your path, I’ll walk mine. I won’t push my beliefs on you, and I expect you to repay in kind.

That, apparently, was too much for the non-believers. With each failed attempt to draw me into their circular logic, their frustration morphed a little more into anger. The ‘evidence’ from the other side actually started logically, with historical writings quoted. However, that soon devolved into the adolescent comparisons of Jesus Christ to such other ‘mythical entities’ as Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

By this point, the entire project had a mind of its own. Others joined in, each one slightly more condescending than the last.

By my own admission, I would lead the debate in a different direction from time to time. Like fuel on a fire, it never failed to catch. A big issue for the other sides was ‘minded’, as in I was close-minded for believing. When I countered with my claim that to believe completely in something one cannot see, touch, smell, or feel – in other words, to leave your mind open to the possibility that there are things we cannot comprehend (see: faith), that was enough to push a few over the edge of sanity.

The allegations from the religious-deficient were actually quite comical. It was alleged that I was ‘indoctrinated’ into the church ‘as a child’, which is why I believed what I did. Um, no. I grew up in a family that was nowhere near a church, save for weddings and funerals. Strike one.

Another gold ring was the idea that I was a sheep who ‘followed the words of my Priest’ and therefore, was close-minded and prone to suggestion. Again, way off. I’ve never had a priest, due mostly to the fact that I am not a Catholic. Never mind the truth that I haven’t been to a Sunday church service approximately two decades. Strike two.

By this point, straw seemed to be the atheist mob’s favorite tool - grasping for it, as well as creating strawman arguments out of it. Naturally by this point in the fun, the personal attacks were fast and furious. I can only imagine this was due to my refusal to fit the typical Christian stereotype. No Bible passages, no great quotes from the Lord. As a matter of fact, I agreed with some criticisms of Christianity. When one made the stunning revelation that those who follow the Lord were ‘hypocrites’, I whole-heartedly agreed. Of course we are. To a degree, everyone is. We are all flawed.

Ironically, it was an atheist who pulled Biblical scripture in the ham-handed attempt to argue. With a Tweet-back highlighting the fact that she was trying to use words from a book she doesn’t believe in from a religion she considers ‘fake’ in order to win a debate, her head damn-near exploded.

By this time, I was sitting back and watching the entire thread unfold. A few fellow Christians jumped in, perhaps unaware of the vitriol spewed earlier on. They caught on fairly quickly.

The end result could be summed up by the last tweet of one specific atheist who couldn’t sway my opinion which, for some reason, self-proclaimed ‘tolerant’ atheists feel the deep-seeded need to do. Frustrated by his lack of success, he proceeded to Twitter-threaten me (which is comedy in and of itself), threw the expected expletive my way, then ran and hid behind a ‘block’ click. Pure gold.

In the final analysis, I’ve realized that it is the ‘evangelical atheists’ who are the least tolerant. They cannot abide a different opinion or belief in something. Even without ‘pushing’ my beliefs on them – which I habitually never do to anyone – they felt compelled to push theirs onto me. When I turn down their offer of enlightenment, they become sour to the point of having a face that resembles a cat’s ass.

The intention was to gain an idea of how Christians are seen in today’s modern society. The result was the exposure of a societal group so bitter, so judgmental that they cannot engage a Christian without the reflex to condemn and discredit.

I ended with a simple response to someone who felt proud to proclaim her non-belief in God: don’t worry. He believes in you. And another head explodes.


TOPICS: History; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: atheism; christianity; jesus; religion

1 posted on 08/09/2012 10:03:10 AM PDT by Leigh Patrick Sullivan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan
A Twitter re-tweet from an atheist telling a person of faith “…your God isn’t real.” The arrogance of the statement was obvious.

To be fair, most people will say that under the right circumstances.

2 posted on 08/09/2012 10:07:29 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Literals will believe anything.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

The headline makes zero sense, atheists are not tolerant.
If they say “your God is not real”, respond with “then why are you so afraid of Him?”.
I feel sorry for atheists, so sad, so fearful, so worried all the time. (Yep they will say they aren’t, such denial)


3 posted on 08/09/2012 10:10:36 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

Great final response!

I remind them that atheism is also a faith based enterprise.


4 posted on 08/09/2012 10:10:36 AM PDT by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oztrich Boy

They’ll say what?


5 posted on 08/09/2012 10:10:44 AM PDT by Olog-hai
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

I’ve heard lots of Christians say that to non-Christians. Did you counter with an non-arrogant...”Yes, He is”?


6 posted on 08/09/2012 10:23:31 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

“When I turn down their offer of enlightenment, they become sour to the point of having a face that resembles a cat’s ass.”

There’s a faith-lift for that...


7 posted on 08/09/2012 10:31:37 AM PDT by spankalib (The downside of liberty is the need to tolerate those who despise it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

A response I picked up from another forum to an atheist:

“For someone who says he doesn’t believe in God you sure as hell invest an awful lot of effort fighting Him.”

It’s funny that atheists sometimes demonstrate more faith in God than Christians do. Just in a round-a-bout way.


8 posted on 08/09/2012 10:31:42 AM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

The roots of atheism are always moral not intellectual.


9 posted on 08/09/2012 10:31:42 AM PDT by circlecity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: roylene

My mistake - forgot the ‘ ‘ around Tolerance. (Included in original post)


10 posted on 08/09/2012 10:32:37 AM PDT by Leigh Patrick Sullivan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

“As I expected, responses ranged from the ultra-juvenile to the shamefully stereotypical.”

Welcome to New Atheism, where logical argument is replaced with a plethora of 4 letter words.


11 posted on 08/09/2012 10:32:59 AM PDT by ari-freedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

“Telling someone that their entire belief system was fraudulent, followed by imbecilic judgmental rhetoric”

Wait - was this a Catholic vs Protestant debate on Free Republic?

LOL!!!!!!


12 posted on 08/09/2012 10:41:55 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

Maybe the anger from these athiests is driven by deeply held fear that they’re wrong. Or, much like the gay-mafia out there, a fear that they’re beliefs and/or lifestyle will NEVER be considered normal or acceptable.


13 posted on 08/09/2012 10:42:12 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Can we cut the BS and just say it like it is?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

Answer to an Athiest: If I am wrong, what have I lost? But if you are wrong, what have YOU lost?


14 posted on 08/09/2012 10:44:28 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Made In The USA

It’s not that they fear they’re wrong, it’s that they know they’re wrong, viscerally, and don’t want any reminders around of that fact. That’s why they hate you so much.
Same with the abortion debate.


15 posted on 08/09/2012 11:00:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

Being an Atheist is all about eliminating your competition.


16 posted on 08/09/2012 11:05:21 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Help. How do I put something in my tagline.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

The 3 most prolific murderers in history (Mao:Gold, Stalin: Silver, and Hitler:Bronze) were militant atheists who ordered the deaths of tens of millions of ‘non-believers’ in fulfillment of the ‘sacrament’ (genocide) of their ideological ‘religion’ (socialism).


17 posted on 08/09/2012 11:15:27 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan
They cannot abide a different opinion or belief in something. Even without ‘pushing’ my beliefs on them – which I habitually never do to anyone – they felt compelled to push theirs onto me . . .
”The intention was to gain an idea of how Christians are seen in today’s modern society. The result was the exposure of a societal group so bitter, so judgmental that they cannot engage a Christian without the reflex to condemn and discredit.

A quintessential description of the Liberal.

18 posted on 08/09/2012 11:52:11 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: YHAOS

Liberalism is simply the political expression of the religion of humanism and atheism is humanism, the belief that man is autonomous and is the source of truth.


19 posted on 08/09/2012 11:55:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: madameguinot
<> And every faith based belief system requires a sacrament. Too bad the atheists and progressives chose the human sacrifice of abortion as theirs.
20 posted on 08/09/2012 12:03:56 PM PDT by xkaydet65
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: madameguinot

“remind them that atheism is also a faith based enterprise”

And every faith based belief system requires a sacrament. Too bad the atheists and progressives chose the human sacrifice of abortion as theirs.


21 posted on 08/09/2012 12:05:07 PM PDT by xkaydet65
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

Youtube videos pushing atheism is a great place to find them.


22 posted on 08/09/2012 12:44:45 PM PDT by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MrB
"Liberalism is simply the political expression of the religion of humanism and atheism is humanism, the belief that man is autonomous and is the source of truth."

Ya think?! Who knew?! [grin]

23 posted on 08/09/2012 1:06:14 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: xkaydet65
Too bad the atheists and progressives chose the human sacrifice of abortion as theirs.

And genocide. See post #17.

24 posted on 08/09/2012 1:16:24 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan
Just a couple of observations:

The same atheists who are intolerant of the Biblical G-d are big fans of the religions of "indigenous pipples." In fact, one of the arguments the atheists use is "chrstianity destroyed thousands of beautiful precious indigenous religions!" Which, I assume, means that if there had been atheists back then they would have formed a Wall Of Human Flesh to protect the shamans and witch doctors. I also assume (from the way they argue this) that they'd gladly bring every one of those extinct religions back, which would actually make more "idiotic, bigoted, unenlightened" religions in the world, not fewer.

I notice that both sides of the G-d argument seem to assume that the whole issue revolves around chrstianity; ie, an argument for G-d is an argument for chrstianity while an argument against chrstianity is an argument against G-d. How many "atheists" are actually rebellious former chrstians pitching a tantrum against the way they were raised?

25 posted on 08/09/2012 1:44:26 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

That’s interesting that you point that out that atheists, while very intolerant of Christianity, are much more tolerant of other religions. There is a guy on Youtube who I watch who does travel vlogs in Asian countries. He’s a communist (one of those types who thinks communism would work if done right, you know?) and atheist, but his travel vlogs are often well done, and I like seeing countries I don’t have the ability or means to visit right now. I have watched him travel around China, Taiwan, and a bit of Japan. One thing he visits is a lot of the temples. He’s overall very respective of the religions like Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, and Hinduism. However, he seems to have much more disdain and a lack of respect for Christianity. He also thinks nothing of using God’s name in vain. He rarely visits churches, but the few times he has or has passed one, he is often disrespectful. Atheists and liberals seem to have a hatred for Christianity that they don’t have for other religions.


26 posted on 08/09/2012 2:31:53 PM PDT by Pinkbell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Pinkbell

As it always has been, people can choose tomobey the One True God, or they can choose to be in rebellion.
Other “religions” are just different flavors of that rebellion, and are therefore not “enemies” of the humanist/atheist.


27 posted on 08/09/2012 2:37:06 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: JimRed

There is a quote, and I’m not sure who said it or even if I have it exactly right, but it goes like this, “I would rather live my whole life believing there is a God and die to find out their isn’t than live my whole life believing there isn’t a God and die to find out there is.”


28 posted on 08/09/2012 2:47:51 PM PDT by Pinkbell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Leigh Patrick Sullivan

Statistically religious people tend to live longer happier lives, have more successful marriages, more children, live in bigger houses, drive bigger cars, have competitive advantages in school, sports, and business. Non-religious people envy these mysterious advantages. The nature of envy is not to have what someone else has, but to destroy what they have. Some of it is they would love for there to be a God and see you as someone that could challenge their hopeless beliefs.


29 posted on 08/09/2012 2:51:15 PM PDT by Reeses (Sustainable energy? Let's first have sustainable government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pinkbell
Atheists and liberals seem to have a hatred for Christianity that they don’t have for other religions.

Yes, precisely because so many of them are former chrstians themselves who are "flipping off" mom and dad. Why else would an "atheist" bash chrstianity while respecting aboriginal witch doctors?

30 posted on 08/09/2012 3:20:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

It’s not “mom and dad” that they are in rebellion to, even if they think that’s the case.


31 posted on 08/09/2012 3:23:10 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: MrB
It’s not “mom and dad” that they are in rebellion to, even if they think that’s the case.

So, they're rebelling against G-d? They don't have any trouble respecting moslems' belief in G-d (or even Black Protestants' and Hispanic Catholics' belief in G-d), do they? In fact, I'd say that lefty atheists actually prefer Black and Hispanic chrstians to just about any other group.

32 posted on 08/09/2012 5:56:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: MrB

That’s an excellent point. I think that explains why liberals who don’t like conservative Christians are very supportive and willing to defend Muslims who are much more conservative (think Burkha) than the Christians.


33 posted on 08/09/2012 10:28:40 PM PDT by Pinkbell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson