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Breaking Bad - TOO bad, this week?
Breaking Bad ^ | 8/13/12 | Mr. K

Posted on 08/13/2012 10:12:28 AM PDT by Mr. K

OK I love this show

It is the ONLY show I have watched ON PURPOSE in years (the first episodes of House and early My Name is Earl were up there too)

I loved how Mr White was the nerdy geek in over his head, dumb-lucking his way out of terrible situations in often hilarious ways

But this weeks episode when [SPOILER ALERT] they shot that kid [END SPOILER ALERT] I see no way of getting out of and still making good TV out of it. MY only hope is that the kids wasn't shot, he just passed out. I could see them sending him home with some ice cream being kind of funny

I also am not sure if Walter poisoned that kid of the girlo Jesse was dating or not (I think so, since he hid a dummy poison vile for Jesse to find on purpose)

But he is a getting to be a not-so-sympathic hero anymore...

I could see him killing the chicken guy- and running over the drug dealers jesse was going after, and also exploding the chrystal at the dealers location in one of the early shows...

But now he is hurting innocent kids? and feeling no remorse?

The shows popularity used to be its funny/quirkiness... now it is too much like a soap-opera drama

Hank is a great actor- and I have the major hots for his wife since the 'hospital scene'

but Walter is not as likeable and his wife is getting whiny-bitchy


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What do you guys think?

This week was sorta good up until the ending

Or is there not enough interest in this show to have a discussion thread?

1 posted on 08/13/2012 10:12:33 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: Mr. K

DISH dropped AMC.


2 posted on 08/13/2012 10:17:11 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Mr. K
I had completely put the cold opening out of my mind last night....until the final sequence, of course. But no, I don't think it went too far.

This season seems a little contrived, however. There is so much hype surrounding BB now, maybe too much.

3 posted on 08/13/2012 10:19:48 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than professors, politicians and preachers.)
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To: Mr. K

I missed this weeks episode but I heard the other bald older guy is really getting kill happy. I can see that coming to a head pretty soon.

As far as Walt’s change, that’s part of the fun of the series, seeing the change in his character and what will eventually happen to him.


4 posted on 08/13/2012 10:20:45 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Mr. K
Does AMC ever show marathons of Breaking Bad starting at episode 1? As a cop who works a lot of meth cases, I am interested in the show but don't want to start watching it now for the first time. Really want to watch it from the beginning
5 posted on 08/13/2012 10:20:54 AM PDT by squidward
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To: Mr. K

My prediction for the finale of BB is that Jesse kills Walter White. But who knows?


6 posted on 08/13/2012 10:22:40 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than professors, politicians and preachers.)
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To: Mr. K

Another big fan here. I don’t think any other show can top BB’s season 2 ending!!

The whole point of the series is to watch Walt go from an average guy for whom ones feel sympathetic into someone who is totally evil, but will lose in the end due to his swelled ego and pride.

Killing the kid fits right in to what Walt has become. The only person who is still half-way human on the show is Jesse. I think that the kid’s murder was put in to show contrast Jesse’s humanity to the lack of humanity that Walt has.

My husband and I joke that Walt’s body count is higher than that of Dexter (the Showtime serial killer show)


7 posted on 08/13/2012 10:23:14 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: GSWarrior

Not a viewer of the show, but I did happen across an article that said, since this is the final season, the producers of the show are going for the jugular, so to speak.


8 posted on 08/13/2012 10:23:23 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: squidward

You can watch the first seasons on Netflix now (yay!)

they are fun to review


9 posted on 08/13/2012 10:25:30 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Mr. K
But he is a getting to be a not-so-sympathic hero anymore...

By now Walt is very much an anti-hero. The business has sucked all the reedeeming qualities right out of him. We are watching the downward spiral to the inevitable conclusion. I'd stop if it wasn't so compelling.

As to the kid, the new guy did it, and it shocked Walt and Jesse IIRC.

10 posted on 08/13/2012 10:25:47 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("If I had a son he'd look like B.O.'s lunch" - Rin Tin Tin)
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To: Mr. K

I love this show. Have not seen this episode yet. Yes, Walt poisoned the kid. The point is that even good people can be corrupted by power and money. They have dome an outstanding job of showing that. This is the last season. I am sure we are going to see all th consequences of Walt White’s decisions in living color.


11 posted on 08/13/2012 10:25:55 AM PDT by Hildy (F"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: Mr. K

Sounds like you are watching the 2011 episodes.


12 posted on 08/13/2012 10:27:34 AM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: JennysCool

OMG!! this is goign to be the final season????

that’s terrible

If they are out of ideas they can call me- I used to know people like this


13 posted on 08/13/2012 10:27:37 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: GSWarrior

Agree. Jesse will kill Walt, and yes Walt did poison the boy in season four.

What will be interesting is how Walt, Jesse and Mike now deal with Todd, the guy who shot the kid on the motorcycle. I think they are going to have to kill Todd very quickly.

This show is brilliant. Best since The Wire.


14 posted on 08/13/2012 10:27:47 AM PDT by KMG365
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To: Mr. K

I was surprised to find out that only one year of real time has passed from season one to where the show is now. That’s a lot of stuff to happen in just 12 months.


15 posted on 08/13/2012 10:27:47 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than professors, politicians and preachers.)
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To: squidward
Really want to watch it from the beginning

I just got interested at the end of last season so over the summer my husband got the entire season on Netflix so we could watch it from the beginning (the only way to watch it IMHO)

We watched 2-3 episodes a night except for a few that were just too intense, then we watched only 1. Didn't take long to get caught up.

16 posted on 08/13/2012 10:28:21 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: squidward

You can watch all episodes through 2011 on netflix.
watch and re-watch, and no commercials.
Cable and satellite are unnecessary expenses.....


17 posted on 08/13/2012 10:29:28 AM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: Mr. K

The minute Walt started cooking meth in the 1st season his fate was sealed. It was always going to be about his descent into evil and him having to pay the consequences.


18 posted on 08/13/2012 10:29:58 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: KMG365
Jesse will kill Walt

I think that no one is going to survive, but who knows. I HATE that they are splitting this final season between this year and net year. Why not just call it was it is, two shorter seasons!!

19 posted on 08/13/2012 10:32:01 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Mr. K

I thought it was a little out of character for one of the exterminator/b&e guys to just go ahead and shoot the kid with out getting the nod from from one of the meth crew first. I hope they ‘leave him in the desert’ but I think next week’s preview showed them fighting about him or something. I liked Bill Burr as the hapless truck driver. How did they know where the train would stop?

Up until this episode the season started out slow, but so have some of the great seasons as well.

Freegards


20 posted on 08/13/2012 10:36:14 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Mr. K
My wife just got through watching all 4 seasons on Netflix and started season 5 on demand. She's all caught up and she watched that episode last night while I was poking around on my iPad.

I watched the ending where they shot the kid on the dirt bike, and unless the kid passed out from shock or was just injured, I won't be in the room when she watches this show again.

I can handle violence but I won't willingly watch violence against children for "entertainment."

21 posted on 08/13/2012 10:36:22 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: Mr. K

Actually it is and is not the final season. Seasons 2 - 4 had 13 episodes. This season (5), is going to be the final season and they made 16 episodes. However before season 5 started, AMC said they were going to break the 16 episodes into two halves, thus there are just 3 episodes left in the first half of the final season. This is similar to what AMC did last season with Walking Dead, where they had a three month pause in the middle of the season.

Also Vince Gilligan said recently that he would like to create a Breaking Bad spin-off focused on one of the character’s back story (possibly Saul Goodman).


22 posted on 08/13/2012 10:37:38 AM PDT by KMG365
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To: squidward

The first four seasons are on streaming Netflix.


23 posted on 08/13/2012 10:39:25 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: Mr. K

I think the more we go on in Breaking Bad the more Walt becomes the bad guy and Hank becomes the good guy. I’m actively rooting for Hank to take Walt down now.


24 posted on 08/13/2012 10:40:57 AM PDT by erod (This Chicagoan will crawl over broken glass to vote the fake Chicagoan Obama out!)
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To: Mr. K
But he is a getting to be a not-so-sympathic hero anymore...

Anyone familiar with classic Greek tragedy recognizes the formula. I'd call Breaking Bad a "Geek Tragedy."

The thing that makes this form of drama so compelling is its inexorable progression. The viewer keeps waiting and hoping for the protagonist to come to his senses and redeem himself. Yet each decision he makes only mires him deeper in inescapable quicksand.

We have to keep in mind that Walter began with the highest of motives: protecting his family. And Oedipus really did love his Father and Mother.

25 posted on 08/13/2012 10:49:51 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Mr. K
Think about the opening scene. The spider was a symbol of the evil. The boy finds this ferocious looking spider in the desert, he lets it crawl over his hands, then puts it in a bottle. Watching, we wonder why the boy wasn't bitten. He seemed not to have a natural aversion to scary things, like the big hairy spider. The boy represents innocence.

At the end of the episode, the boy stumbles across the men robbing chemicals from the train from which they intend to make meth. They are, in their purpose, like the big spider, a symbol of evil. Once again, the boy does not flee but waives to the men. Only this time he is bitten (or shot) and the spider crawls free from the bottle as he falls. The writer is reminding that although the men experienced joy when they succeeded in robbing the train without killing the crew, and their accomplishment was really a technical marvel, it was still an evil thing leading to the death of many innocent people by way of the drug they intend to produce.

26 posted on 08/13/2012 10:59:30 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: NeoCaveman
As to the kid, the new guy did it, and it shocked Walt and Jesse IIRC.

Little is shocking to Walt anymore and he's developed a blind spot to just how evil he is becoming. Jesse has long figured out he wasn't capable of being a big league criminal, but he just doesn't know what to do with himself otherwise as he goes on mostly passively with the increasingly dark flow of events.
27 posted on 08/13/2012 11:05:01 AM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: KosmicKitty

Jesse and Walt will die and Skylar will walk away with all Walt’s cash.


28 posted on 08/13/2012 11:07:08 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: KosmicKitty

Love the show. Last night great, but a shocker!


29 posted on 08/13/2012 11:10:35 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Mr. K

-——I also am not sure if Walter poisoned that kid ——

For sure walt poisoned the kid. He did the deed to assure Jesse would come back under his wing. Walt said he did.

The Lilly of the Valley that generated the toxin was growing in a pot beside Walt’s swimming pool. When the final clean up effort was made of the equipment in Walt’s kitchen used to produce the toxin, Walt forgot to gather up the Lilly of the Valley. He came back and placed the potted plant in his trunk with the other incriminating evidence.

Breaking Bad to me is very complex and rewatching is necessary to assemble all the various pieces.


30 posted on 08/13/2012 11:20:13 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: LS; All

So do we want to start another thread next week?

I missed the preview of the next show- what did they have?

I can’t watch that unbearable ‘private security’ show- it is just too painfully stupid.


31 posted on 08/13/2012 11:33:51 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Mr. K

The whole “robbing the train” episode was less than stellar.

I thought after watching last night’s show that BB is getting close - very close - to jumping the shark.


32 posted on 08/13/2012 12:00:22 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Mr. K

Very disappointed. I loved the show from season 1 but I won’t be watching anymore since they killed a child. Unacceptable, period.


33 posted on 08/13/2012 12:02:55 PM PDT by emotionalcripple
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To: Mr. K

Merely the ads to “Private Security” make me puke.


34 posted on 08/13/2012 12:05:20 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is the last season.


35 posted on 08/13/2012 12:08:27 PM PDT by Hildy (F"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is the last season.


36 posted on 08/13/2012 12:08:27 PM PDT by Hildy (F"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is the last season.


37 posted on 08/13/2012 12:08:46 PM PDT by Hildy (F"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: emotionalcripple
I loved the show from season 1 but I won’t be watching anymore since they killed a child. Unacceptable, period.

Just wondering..

Why didn't you stop watching after Jesse's girlfriend's little brother got killed in Season 4?

38 posted on 08/13/2012 12:10:38 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Mr. K

I new something bad was going to happen to that kid from the beginning, with him out on his dirt bike. The kid is dead and Mr. White did not kill him, the B&E specialist did. It’s not really clear what the kid saw, but I presume that the guy’s could’nt just transfer the chemical quickly and dig up the tanks.
Sadly the kid had to die! Of course, I loved it when his wife asked who he was going to go barrie under a bridge.
I understand walters desire to save his marriage, but sometimes you just have to cut your losses, move out, keep her as your money launderer.


39 posted on 08/13/2012 12:20:11 PM PDT by qman (The communist usurper must go!)
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To: emotionalcripple
I won’t be watching anymore since they killed a child. Unacceptable, period.

What the? What do you think Crystal Meth does? Guess how many lives Walt's product has ruined.

The show is called "Breaking Bad" for a reason. Walt has transformed from an affable idiot getting in way over his head, to a ruthless, murderous,drug warlord.

If by now you haven't switched from rooting for Walt to actively rooting against him, you're watching it wrong, IMO.

40 posted on 08/13/2012 12:32:37 PM PDT by Carlucci
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To: Goldsborough
Jesse has long figured out he wasn't capable of being a big league criminal, but he just doesn't know what to do with himself otherwise as he goes on mostly passively with the increasingly dark flow of events.

I think he has certainly struggled with the violent aspect of their business but he was the one who came up with the "big idea" in this episode. I think, like Walt, he has gotten inured to the violence. That is why the repercussions of this latest death should be compelling.

41 posted on 08/13/2012 1:39:16 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: KMG365
What I want to know is why Walt bought that M249 SAW Squad Automatic Weapon...

...at the Denny's in the first episode of Season 5.

I think they foreshadowed it with the "say hello to my little friend" scene from Scarface that Walt and Walt, Junior were watching.

They had a scene from "The Cain Mutiny" in the episode last week. I'm sure that wasn't an accident either.

42 posted on 08/13/2012 5:16:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I was wondering about that too- at the beginning he did the ‘birthday bacon’ thing saying his age was 52....

Then, later, in either the same episode or another one, they had his wife doing the bacon thing saying he was 51... so was that a foreshadowing of something coming up on his NEXT birthday? (plus his hair was grown back)

They have had some great foreshadowing in some of these episodes and some confusing, not so great ones


43 posted on 08/14/2012 12:44:56 PM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Mr. K
The opening scene of season 5 (the current season) was a flash-forward to a Denny's on Walter White's 52nd birthday where he buys a SAW machine gun.

Then right after the Breaking Bad intro screen we come back to present day, meaning the period right after the end of the fourth season, just prior to his 51st birthday. Mike is still in Mexico and hasn't heard about Gus's murder yet, so it's just days after the poisoning and shootout with the cartel.

We don't know what happens to get him to the point of needing a machine gun a year later, but we know it can't be good. Plus, he's coughing, so the implication is that the cancer has come back.

44 posted on 08/14/2012 1:11:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

yeah- so I am guessing Skyler is out of the picture

looks like he is readying for the SHTF


45 posted on 08/14/2012 1:48:24 PM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Mr. K
My guess is that he is heading down to Old Mehico with the SAW for a little quality one-on-one time with the cartel.
46 posted on 08/14/2012 1:55:22 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Mr. K

This is the journey they put Walter on. The whole show is about the repercussions from one bad decision. In the DVD extras of season 1 Vince Gilligan said that by the end of the show (if they got a long enough run) Walt was not going to be a sympathetic character anymore. Well season 5 is the end of the show...


47 posted on 08/14/2012 2:09:04 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: emotionalcripple

You do realize this was by no means the first kid killed right? They’re drug lords, they’re bad people, they do bad things.


48 posted on 08/14/2012 2:17:44 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: Carlucci

You’re so right.

Maybe the kid is a symbolic reminder. Kill kids quickly with a bullet or slowly from drugs. Either way, they’re killing kids and that last scene was a reality check from the euphoria of the heist.


49 posted on 08/15/2012 2:56:50 PM PDT by b9 (Free Republic ~ the backbone of Conservatism, never soft on tyranny)
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To: Carlucci
If by now you haven't switched from rooting for Walt to actively rooting against him, you're watching it wrong, IMO.

Exactly right.

50 posted on 08/15/2012 3:00:40 PM PDT by b9 (Free Republic ~ the backbone of Conservatism, never soft on tyranny)
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