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Ursa Major Star Explodes
Aug. 14, 2012 | Satin Doll

Posted on 08/14/2012 5:18:41 AM PDT by SatinDoll

Early this morning, about 5:05 AM, my nephew saw a star explode in the constellation Ursa Major.

We're not star hounds and do not know the name of the star that blew, but he did see it and he was sober.

This is his first ever critical astronomy observation. It is amazing what one can see smoking a ciggie on the back deck.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Science
KEYWORDS: bigdipper; ursamajor
Open for discussion.
1 posted on 08/14/2012 5:18:46 AM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: SatinDoll

I would say this is Sirius, but that’s in Canis Major…


2 posted on 08/14/2012 5:22:16 AM PDT by mikrofon (Astro BUMP)
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To: SatinDoll

This does not sound plausible.

Where are you located? Can you first eliminate local, i.e. earthly, explanations first?


3 posted on 08/14/2012 5:23:04 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory
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To: SatinDoll; SunkenCiv

... for your consideration.

Okay, it was a regular cigarette, right?! /s


4 posted on 08/14/2012 5:24:15 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: SatinDoll

The only thing I can find is news of a star in Ursa Major exploding last September. (21 million years ago)

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/story/2011-09-07/Astronomers-forgo-sleep-eyes-fixed-on-stars-explosion/50303380/1


5 posted on 08/14/2012 5:26:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SatinDoll

Well, if it were true, it exploded a long time ago.

Just sayin’.

:)


6 posted on 08/14/2012 5:28:02 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: SatinDoll

Probably happened a long time ago.

Just kidding, it DID happen a LONG time ago.

Makes me feel so miniscule knowing what I see has taken years and millenniums of years for its image to arrive to me.

One could only fantasize that their solar system was grappling with a decisive social and political unrest globally, and then the Lord decides to just toss all the marbles back up and let them start all over again from cosmic dust.

Somewhere in time others will watch our demise, “Oh Mommy, look a shooting star!”


7 posted on 08/14/2012 5:29:29 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Vote for Sarah Palin, she is the cure to the disease and infection of socialism.)
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To: SatinDoll
Early this morning, about 5:05 AM, my nephew saw a star explode in the constellation Ursa Major.

Probably a meteor - The Perseid peak was just two days ago.

8 posted on 08/14/2012 5:31:14 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: SatinDoll

Perseid meteor shower


9 posted on 08/14/2012 5:31:39 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: SatinDoll

Sure he didn’t say - “I was standing out by the still and when I took a sip from the big dipper it was like an exploding star?”


10 posted on 08/14/2012 5:37:50 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SatinDoll

Bush did it


11 posted on 08/14/2012 5:38:41 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: cripplecreek; SatinDoll
Looking at the night sky is a view into the past. Depending on the light distance and the years for said light to reach our location our view is always one of viewing past light from all stars. The current light of a star is never able to attain the years instantaneous therefore we view the past. That fact of we can only view the past when looking at the night sky has significance in that where does the past and present begin? To answer honestly it appears to be one’s location in the cosmos, yet how can the past be the present? No wonder time is insignificant within most equations.
12 posted on 08/14/2012 5:39:37 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SatinDoll

You sure you weren’t watching a 2008 Obama ad being bounced back to earth? Hope and Change worked just as well there as it did here . . .


13 posted on 08/14/2012 5:44:17 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: no-to-illegals
We even see the moon as it was around a second and a half ago.

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The New Horizons spacecaft that will fly past pluto in 2015 is currently about 3 hours and 12 and a half light minutes out.
14 posted on 08/14/2012 5:48:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SatinDoll

Double rainbow! What does it MEAN?!


15 posted on 08/14/2012 6:04:48 AM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: SatinDoll

Sure it wasn’t an iridium flare?

http://www.satobs.org/iridium.html


16 posted on 08/14/2012 6:09:39 AM PDT by whatexit
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To: P.O.E.

I wonder what a meteor coming almost straight at you as it burns up would look like.


17 posted on 08/14/2012 6:16:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cripplecreek
Definitively it makes communication impossible with another world, at least in the present. Any communication would be years in the past once it arrived, and any outgoing communication would be years in the past once it arrived at the source output. Unless one could bend or fold time and space and then the implications say that would be disastrous. Makes us kind of stuck elsewhere than here in the present to find intelligent life because of the time necessary to verify a communication.

These discussions are enlightening, humorous, and joyful to imagine our insignificant selves as being able to discover and communicate with other insignificant beings not of our world.

Thanks cripplecreek, it was worth the time. It (communication) is fun to think about though probably impossible with the limited knowledge of time and space. Perhaps one day and then it will probably be all for naught, for then a certain amount of faith would be necessary for the communique to be trusted as actual.

18 posted on 08/14/2012 6:17:15 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: cuban leaf

I’ve seen many this year. Little pops of light instead of the meteor trails.


19 posted on 08/14/2012 6:19:47 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: SatinDoll

I’ll second the Iridium Flare guess. I saw one a few years ago, concurrent with a passing of the ISS. It did really look like a quick cosmic explosion. Upon seeing it in the same general area of the sky as the passing space station, I went back in and checked it out on heavens-above.com - sure enough, that’s what had happened! A bonus twofer.


20 posted on 08/14/2012 6:23:35 AM PDT by PCBMan
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To: no-to-illegals

Actually there is some potential for instantaneous communication over light years through quantum entanglement. As Einstein called it “Spooky action at a distance”.

While nothing can physically move faster than the speed of light, reactions can. For instance, if a massive body suddenly appears in the universe, its gravitational pull would be felt everywhere at once. Its obviously weaker with distance but gravity doesn’t travel, it just is.

I personally think gravity is the key to faster than light communication and possibly travel.


21 posted on 08/14/2012 6:27:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SatinDoll
A possible/plausible explanation---
After 31 years on the flight deck = educated guess only.

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We view the night sky through the "lens/prism" of our own atmosphere, which always causes some significant refraction and/or magnification of the stellar lights we are observing.

This is why the stars "twinkle"... and the movement/changes in the upper layers make the light change colors... and even disappear/reappear within a few seconds.

Wavering/changing starlight has caused airliners to change course (fearing another aircraft that wasn't there) and also report UFO's.

Nearing sunrise, the upper atmosphere receives the first touches of sunlight. This pre-dawn heating cycle makes some significant 'waves' in the upper air.

Ergo...
The stars we are watching (especially those low in the sky) will really seem to dance with these subtle changes in our "lens/prism". This includes an apparent and sudden brightening--followed by a near "disappearance" only to return to normal a few seconds later.

There ya go....
...Just trying to help...

22 posted on 08/14/2012 6:29:26 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: SatinDoll

... still waiting for the uranus joke ...


23 posted on 08/14/2012 6:39:22 AM PDT by grandpa jones (obama delenda est)
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To: cuban leaf

“I wonder what a meteor coming almost straight at you as it burns up would look like.”

Been there, done that.
It cast a shadow, that’s why I looked up. It was very bright, brightest thing I’ve seen in the heavens besides the Sun and Moon. After a few seconds I could see that is was moving laterally just a little bit, then it blew and there were two meteors, one moving slowly the other smaller piece moving faster in the opposite direction. Then they both blew. I heard a couple reports ten or twenty seconds later. I then ran in circles looking for someone to tell. There was no one.


24 posted on 08/14/2012 6:46:24 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: cripplecreek
Yes, quantum mechanics where the past is the present and the present is the future all rolled into a view of time instantaneous. Or do I misunderstand the quantum mechanics theory?

I too share your view of gravity being a key for travel in that if one could reverse the polarity of the gravitational force or lock onto a gravitation force the enormity of the speed acceleration would be nearly instantaneous which could have implications for travel and communication. The polarity of the gravitation force is elusive in constructing an engine able to harness polarity frequencies. There would possibly be a bending or folding of time. If space could be left out of the bending or folding of time, then time would be insignificant as quantum mechanics states. Being here there and everywhere all at the same time to encompass the past, present and future and to view each event simultaneously would have our minds possibly so confused our minds would not be able to perceive what was actual in the past, present, or future. Each event would not take on its own distinguishing characteristics but would instead appear to be the present.

Einstein was a spooky person. His theories and equations and the understanding of such of Einstein's works are understood by only a few. I am not one of the few. Einstein's work is continually being dissected, in the present, and much of it may still be misunderstood (imho) though for myself, I never understood most of his works I read. Einstein was brilliant, and have heard it said he may not have been of this world.

25 posted on 08/14/2012 6:47:23 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: grandpa jones
... still waiting for the uranus joke ...
I thought I saw Uranus, but the lens cap covered it completely.
26 posted on 08/14/2012 6:51:29 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: grandpa jones
@GOOD OLD MOUNTAIN DEW
27 posted on 08/14/2012 6:55:38 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SatinDoll
http://www.heavens-above.com/ lets you enter your location and see the time and location of Iridium flares for the past 48 hours. Unfortunately it just gives azimuth and elevation for the location instead of right azimuth and declination so it would take some work to see if it was in Ursa Major.
28 posted on 08/14/2012 6:55:38 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Recycled Olympic tagline Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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To: no-to-illegals

“Our minds would not be able to perceive what was actual in the past present or future.” - Jim Beam does that to me. Jim Beam folds time.....wow.....bottoms up!


29 posted on 08/14/2012 7:10:52 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

Maybe an engine based on the effects of Jim Beam for time travel should be considered. It could work! Leave it to the simplest explanation of wow ... bottoms up! Einstein would be proud of you because sometimes the simplest of explanations explain the constipation of the mind when expelling a solution. LOL blueunicorn6.


30 posted on 08/14/2012 7:18:36 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: cripplecreek
instantaneous communication over light years through quantum entanglement.

It gets even weirder: scientists have found entanglements exist not only across space, but also across time. It's possible to backdate events and communicate with the past and future. Entanglements are known to occur when two photons are emitted from the same source, which seem to retain the same location for a while despite going separate ways, but it may also be possible to tune into a spacetime location without having previously been there. Space and time are illusions of some kind.

31 posted on 08/14/2012 7:32:43 AM PDT by Reeses (An optimist believes the Republicans nominated their best. A pessimist knows they did.)
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To: momtothree

If there’s been no report of any kind from another source, I’d guess that it was a high-altitude detonation of a chunk of space debris, such as a larger example of one of Frank’s mini-comets.


32 posted on 08/14/2012 9:28:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SatinDoll

Maybe it was a rock from the Perseid meteor shower colliding with a passing spaceship. Anything’s possible.


33 posted on 08/14/2012 9:45:45 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: whatexit

First thing I thought of.

heavens-above.com is also a good source for Iridium flare data.


34 posted on 08/14/2012 10:14:29 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: cuban leaf

It looks like a bright spot then fades. I have seen this naked-eye and through a telescope. Very pretty actually.


35 posted on 08/14/2012 10:16:50 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: cripplecreek

They’ve improved that “spooky action” distance to about 100 miles (news item yesterday).

The catch is that while the information transfer is instant, the time to extract the information remains equivalent to light time. That is, the action across the 100 miles is instant, but figuring out what happened still takes half a millisecond. The “information doesn’t move faster than light” rule holds, though for very strange reasons.


36 posted on 08/14/2012 10:21:29 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: SatinDoll

Probably a meteor.

The Perseid shower is going on now.


37 posted on 08/14/2012 10:25:50 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ctdonath2

It really is bizarro world at the quantum level. Light is waves or particles depending on whether you’re looking at it or not.


38 posted on 08/14/2012 10:31:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: listenhillary

Saw three of them last night around 10:45 p.m. CDT. NE sky from mid-continental North America.


39 posted on 08/14/2012 10:34:11 AM PDT by brewcrew (Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. --John Wayne)
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To: Sloth
Songified
40 posted on 08/14/2012 10:37:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: cripplecreek

Isn’t that the opening shot to “The Brady Bunch” ?


41 posted on 08/14/2012 5:49:48 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: SatinDoll

Stellar explosions tend to be like the Energizer Bunny and keep going and going... see http://suite101.com/article/the-crab-nebula-supernova-1054-ad-a23371. The event witnessed in 1054AD was visible for 23 days in full sunlight, and completely faded away after 2 years observation.


42 posted on 08/14/2012 8:18:12 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: SatinDoll

Stellar explosions tend to be like the Energizer Bunny and keep going and going... see http://suite101.com/article/the-crab-nebula-supernova-1054-ad-a23371. The event witnessed in 1054AD was visible for 23 days in full sunlight, and completely faded away after 2 years observation.


43 posted on 08/14/2012 8:19:50 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Reeses; cripplecreek; everyone
Wanting to throw out a theory in the form of some questions and a statement. What if a few selected people born to this planet are not of this planet? What if there has been manipulation of history, on this planet, via beings born onto this planet, who changed the course of history throughout the ages but in the true sense of being from this planet, those few who changed history were not of this planet?

Could it happen? My answer is yes. Will it happen again? Same answer, yes.

Knowing both of you are intelligent beings, would your answers also be yes?

Now the hard question. Since people have been born to cause good to take place for this planet, would there also be people born to this planet who would seek to destroy all those who would be born of good, and would seek to not help people and good but harm and attempt to destroy those who live on this planet? Those of evil would also not be truly of this planet? Opens up religion for discussion and states there are forces of both good and evil (clearly imho), but does it say something else and none of us have figured out what is being said to all of us? My answer is still yes. My apology if all of my questions have been contemplated by each of you prior.

44 posted on 08/15/2012 6:58:55 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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